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(94,673 posts)4. Philip Bump from April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.
Philip Bump @pbump 2h2 hours ago
From April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.
It suggests that Cohen took over management of the relationship with Russia after campaign chairman Paul Manafort was fired from the campaign in August (because of questions about his relationship with a political party in Ukraine). Cohen is said to have met secretly with people in Prague possibly at the Russian Center for Science and Culture in the last week of August or the first of September. He allegedly met with representatives of the Russian government, possibly including officials of the Presidential Administration Legal Department; Oleg Solodukhin (who works with the Russian Center for Science and Culture); or Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign relations committee in the upper house of parliament. A planned meeting in Moscow, the dossier alleges, was considered too risky, given that a topic of conversation was how to divert attention from Manaforts links to Russia and a trip to Moscow by Carter Page in July. Another topic of conversation, according to the dossier: allegedly paying off Romanian hackers who had been targeting the Clinton campaign...
Cohen showed his passport to BuzzFeed. The only travel into the proper area indicated by passport stamps was a trip to and from Italy from July 9 to 17. But note that this is too early for Steeles time frame and for the assertion that it was a response to the firing of Manafort. How Cohen would have gotten to Prague is still unclear.
But this contradiction between a clear allegation from the Steele dossier and the assertion that it wasnt true by Cohen and Trump helped drive the idea that the dossier was broadly discredited shortly after its release. Pick out the Prague trip and nothing that follows could have happened. Put the Prague trip back into the mix? A lot of the other parts of that allegation now become possible.* Whats more, it undermines the credibility of those who insisted that the claim was completely without merit.
Look at it another way: If the central conceit of the Steeles claim were accurate that Cohen was working with agents of the Russian government directly to aid Trumps candidacy it would be very hard to argue that no collusion took place. That likely requires Cohens having been in Prague.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/14/michael-cohen-visiting-prague-would-be-a-huge-development-in-the-russia-investigation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00e73df19049
From April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.
It suggests that Cohen took over management of the relationship with Russia after campaign chairman Paul Manafort was fired from the campaign in August (because of questions about his relationship with a political party in Ukraine). Cohen is said to have met secretly with people in Prague possibly at the Russian Center for Science and Culture in the last week of August or the first of September. He allegedly met with representatives of the Russian government, possibly including officials of the Presidential Administration Legal Department; Oleg Solodukhin (who works with the Russian Center for Science and Culture); or Konstantin Kosachev, head of the foreign relations committee in the upper house of parliament. A planned meeting in Moscow, the dossier alleges, was considered too risky, given that a topic of conversation was how to divert attention from Manaforts links to Russia and a trip to Moscow by Carter Page in July. Another topic of conversation, according to the dossier: allegedly paying off Romanian hackers who had been targeting the Clinton campaign...
Cohen showed his passport to BuzzFeed. The only travel into the proper area indicated by passport stamps was a trip to and from Italy from July 9 to 17. But note that this is too early for Steeles time frame and for the assertion that it was a response to the firing of Manafort. How Cohen would have gotten to Prague is still unclear.
But this contradiction between a clear allegation from the Steele dossier and the assertion that it wasnt true by Cohen and Trump helped drive the idea that the dossier was broadly discredited shortly after its release. Pick out the Prague trip and nothing that follows could have happened. Put the Prague trip back into the mix? A lot of the other parts of that allegation now become possible.* Whats more, it undermines the credibility of those who insisted that the claim was completely without merit.
Look at it another way: If the central conceit of the Steeles claim were accurate that Cohen was working with agents of the Russian government directly to aid Trumps candidacy it would be very hard to argue that no collusion took place. That likely requires Cohens having been in Prague.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2018/04/14/michael-cohen-visiting-prague-would-be-a-huge-development-in-the-russia-investigation/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.00e73df19049
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Conspiracy to defraud the United States of America. This is the charge, right DU lawyers?
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2018
#2
To be fair, they only watch fox and breitbart so they actually havent seen any other than
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2018
#5
Philip Bump from April: Why Cohen visiting Prague would be remarkably significant.
bigtree
Dec 2018
#4
How you know if they are lying, other than their lips are moving, is how adamant they are
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2018
#6
So is the assumption that cohen has told mueller the truth about this and they have
Eliot Rosewater
Dec 2018
#9
Prob used it stupidly, like calling his apartment or office phone to check for messages. . . . nt
Bernardo de La Paz
Dec 2018
#15
If he just turned on the phone, to perhaps check his contacts list, the phone
CharleyDog
Dec 2018
#29
One thing we can be sure, is that Mueller knows it all. It's going to come out.
OnDoutside
Dec 2018
#47
I don't follow this. This is old news, isn't it? It's still not clear whether Cohen was in Prague?
Honeycombe8
Dec 2018
#31