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MineralMan

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137. No, it's not.

Reply to question everything (Reply #75)

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 11:48 AM

Dec 2018

AOC unseated a Demcratic incumbent, through grassroots efforts. Yes, her district is a safe one for Democrats, but she won it with hard work in the primary.

Claire McCaskill's Senate seat is in a very tough state for Democrats. To win and retain that seat, she had to compromise frequently and take more conservative positions. A few times, she voted in ways that were not compatible with Democratic principles. That got her wins for two terms, but not this time.

Too bad for her, really. However, she will not be in the Senate now. AOC will have a seat in the House. In politics, winning is the only sign that you are in the right place for your state or district. If you win, you get to use your influence. If you lose, you don't. It's that simply, really.

My point is that it's not appropriate for a Senator who has lost her election to be casting aspersions on a House member who has won her election. It's just not how you do things in the Democratic Party.

What's next for McCaskill? I have no idea. I'm betting she'll be permanently out of politics at this point. She lost a very important election which would have given her a third term in office. Good luck to her.

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Claire McCaskill Hates on Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez From Outside Congress... [View all] demmiblue Dec 2018 OP

"This is white feminism" Really?! No, this is the pain of losing and handling it badly. hlthe2b Dec 2018 #1

Perhaps it is, perhaps it isn't... but I have appreciated Zerlina Maxwell's voice on MSNBC. demmiblue Dec 2018 #4

Even when she calls a sitting Democratic Senator a "shady asshole"? George II Dec 2018 #8

"Shady asshole" wasn't from Zerlina. Basement Beat Dec 2018 #81

I realize that, but the article linked in the OP is from theroot, written by.... George II Dec 2018 #89

Didn't McCaskill say "I hope she hangs the moon"? kstewart33 Dec 2018 #142

agree, the media seems to have blown it out of proportions in effort to make a baity headline onetexan Dec 2018 #144

Well said. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #153

What's with calling Senator Claire McCaskill "a shady asshole"? What's the point of this OP? George II Dec 2018 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author Autumn Dec 2018 #16

We know the point, dont we. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #68

The Root article is way out of line. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #128

no hate in evidence. is theroot a $ making for profit site? nt msongs Dec 2018 #3

They sure don't know much about Congress.... George II Dec 2018 #7

Interesting. I don't think many here are aware of this (nt) question everything Dec 2018 #66

Good Post Gothmog Dec 2018 #70

Not a fan of the root. cwydro Dec 2018 #61

What do you have against "The Root"? brush Dec 2018 #69

People who were very vocally against Hillary last election. cwydro Dec 2018 #74

Do you mean a particular writer or the whole site? brush Dec 2018 #79

Actually, I enjoy reading content from numerous sites. Even if I don't like everything written. cwydro Dec 2018 #84

Michael Harriot. Yep. demmiblue Dec 2018 #85

So put down the writer not the whole African American site. Some might get the wrong idea. brush Dec 2018 #88

"Some might get the wrong idea?" cwydro Dec 2018 #100

I'm SMH that you don't get putting down a whole AA site instead of the writer... brush Dec 2018 #107

Sorry you don't seem to like to hear differing opinions. cwydro Dec 2018 #131

So we can expect to hear the same from you for every posting from... brush Dec 2018 #135

this is how we become divided. is this what we really want? samnsara Dec 2018 #5

OMG. demmiblue Dec 2018 #6

Really? Autumn Dec 2018 #15

It's also how we lose elections. Xolodno Dec 2018 #25

+1000 Power 2 the People Dec 2018 #90

Yeah, that's helpful FiveGoodMen Dec 2018 #9

That perspective is a little outdated doncha think? We just won with a huge blue wave. brush Dec 2018 #71

I wonder if McCaskill had the guts of AOC, would she have won AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #10

A small difference of an extra (or lack of) X chromosome question everything Dec 2018 #18

As I noted elsewhere here, she is the ONLY woman elected Senator in Missouri, and the first..... George II Dec 2018 #21

I wonder if AOC had run in Missouri, would she have won? EffieBlack Dec 2018 #24

Exactly, McCaskill is just saying that talking about abstract R B Garr Dec 2018 #28

Are you saying AOC is talking about abstract things? - Free health care and free college womanofthehills Dec 2018 #112

Yet Vermont has rejected all of that. So much for talking.... R B Garr Dec 2018 #122

So you are saying Medicare for all and free tuition can never happen in the USA? womanofthehills Dec 2018 #123

Takes 60 votes in the Senate for free tuition. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #130

She is saying that Missouri is not New York. R B Garr Dec 2018 #132

Well, she actively campaigned in Missouri against an incumbent Democratic Congressman.... George II Dec 2018 #38

And campaigned in Kansas against Sharice Davids and sent an email dismissing her as a "corporate EffieBlack Dec 2018 #41

A "corporate lawyer" who worked on Native American reservations at a reduced rate.... George II Dec 2018 #44

She left that part out ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #46

I remember this also Gothmog Dec 2018 #72

I hope AOC ignores McCaskills advice, it would just be one more thing for people to hate on her Autumn Dec 2018 #11

No, she made those comments about Democratic Representative that. Why do you have to read...... George II Dec 2018 #19

I didn't say anything about age but I should have. That what people accused AOC of doing. Autumn Dec 2018 #23

Yes you did.... George II Dec 2018 #26

LOL EffieBlack Dec 2018 #31

Who is the young Latina woman woman George? Certainly not McCaskill. Autumn Dec 2018 #35

Oh gawd...................... George II Dec 2018 #39

George, Claire said it outright, she implied nothing. Don't hit yourself too hard. Autumn Dec 2018 #45

She didn't say she was "young" (you did), didn't say she was "Latina" (you did)... George II Dec 2018 #47

Nope. As an old Latina I object to a young Latina being referred to as a thing, a shiny new object. Autumn Dec 2018 #55

Another friendly suggestion - why not go to the video or full transcript from where .... George II Dec 2018 #60

I didn't click on the link by The Root. I posted Claire's complete comments with a link. Autumn Dec 2018 #91

I said that as an old Latina, ME, it offends me to see a young Latina, AOC Autumn Dec 2018 #96

And I asked you why you had to drag age and ethnicity into the discussion. That has nothing.... George II Dec 2018 #97

I told you. I'm an old Latina woman and it offends me to see a young Latina woman Autumn Dec 2018 #99

Why is McCaskill telling AOC she should pay attention to white voters? - that's bizarro!! womanofthehills Dec 2018 #113

I did, which is an article from The Hill that apparently quotes from the same interview.... George II Dec 2018 #92

"most likely took place at separate times of the interview" melman Dec 2018 #103

Yeah George, young Latina.. old Latina. That's your focus. Autumn Dec 2018 #105

No it's not, it's YOUR focus. I didn't bring any of that into the conversation, you did. To me.... George II Dec 2018 #106

Ya, you did. nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #102

+1 apcalc Dec 2018 #30

Sorry, Claire. She won her election. MineralMan Dec 2018 #12

Yeah as a Dem in a cobalt blue D-29 district Jake Stern Dec 2018 #48

And who will be taking her seat in the House on January 3? MineralMan Dec 2018 #49

Immaterial. Claire already proved herself many times over how to win in a cherry red state Jake Stern Dec 2018 #54

she proved you can beat foot-in-mouth opponents. as a Missourian Kurt V. Dec 2018 #63

Her real victory was in the primary crazycatlady Dec 2018 #95

It's a very "impressive feat" that a Latina working women won a primary with not much money womanofthehills Dec 2018 #114

this. Kurt V. Dec 2018 #62

This is really low question everything Dec 2018 #75

OMG melman Dec 2018 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author question everything Dec 2018 #111

OMG #2 womanofthehills Dec 2018 #117

No, it's not. MineralMan Dec 2018 #137

Yup. Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #138

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #13

I'm not confused. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #14

McCaskill won against odds, in 2012 in a red state. question everything Dec 2018 #17

And McCaskill lost in 2018 so the people in her state obviously weren't all that happy with her Autumn Dec 2018 #20

You're forgetting her courageous vote against Kavanaugh was a big reason she lost. brush Dec 2018 #77

Any woman should have voted against Kavanaugh, or any man for that matter. Autumn Dec 2018 #82

Several women voted for him. Don't brush off too lightly that she knew there would... brush Dec 2018 #87

In a Trumpian state? question everything Dec 2018 #110

Trumpian state whatever. Someone Trump campaigned for lost to a Dem, McCaskill lost her race. Autumn Dec 2018 #115

Yes, she won in 2006 AND in 2012. She was the first Democrat elected to the Senate since 1980... George II Dec 2018 #34

Cripes, all MacCaskill was saying is that not everyone runs R B Garr Dec 2018 #22

Cripes - AOC won a very hard primary womanofthehills Dec 2018 #118

LOL, the stats are out there for some time and even AOC R B Garr Dec 2018 #121

Actually, the turnout was a bit higher than they expected womanofthehills Dec 2018 #145

It is documented that it was quite low. It was the low turnout R B Garr Dec 2018 #150

Actually her advice was specifically aimed Voltaire2 Dec 2018 #139

The title says she was "hating" on her, which is laughable R B Garr Dec 2018 #140

You're dumping on McCaskill? Seriously? apcalc Dec 2018 #27

+1, plus this looks to be a few days old. I think it was on R B Garr Dec 2018 #32

McCaskill was very critical of AOC - then tacked on something positive womanofthehills Dec 2018 #119

Critical part of the quote ... EffieBlack Dec 2018 #29

This part is crucial too. "I'm a little confused why she's the thing," a "bright, shiny new object" Autumn Dec 2018 #40

Yes, that was already included in the OP EffieBlack Dec 2018 #50

But you didn't find that part crucial did you? That's a lot of substance you left out. Autumn Dec 2018 #67

Someone sounds a bit jealous. Vinca Dec 2018 #33

👍👍👍 Irishxs Dec 2018 #42

Never Trusted McCaskill-Always seemed to be playing too close to gop Irishxs Dec 2018 #36

Bookmarking. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2018 #52

Please enlighten me, oh great political wizard Jake Stern Dec 2018 #57

She lost because she voted against Kavanaugh. Try to remember. brush Dec 2018 #83

Care to point to an actual vote you object to? brooklynite Dec 2018 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #37

Apparently anything short of falling all over oneself at someone's awesomeness is now "hate." EffieBlack Dec 2018 #43

Yes, here we go again NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #78

It's the same people on every AOC post doing the criticism. womanofthehills Dec 2018 #116

Sure wish she'd turn that fire in her belly loose on the other side Jake Stern Dec 2018 #124

AOL and Brent Welder both worked on Bernie's presidential campaign womanofthehills Dec 2018 #146

I'd like to see a public forum conversation between the two eleny Dec 2018 #51

The Hill had a less inflammatory version of this. Even then, I thought The Hill was sh*t stirring. Eugene Dec 2018 #53

Author of article needs to settle down. Loki Liesmith Dec 2018 #56

IMO a stupid thread and sorry I wasted time reading through it and the comments. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #58

AOC hasn't even taken her seat in Congress. Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #59

Perhaps she needs to learn her job. Skidmore Dec 2018 #64

What are you talking about? Dave Starsky Dec 2018 #93

And my post title is a response to that. ntpost Skidmore Dec 2018 #98

Well sheshe2 Dec 2018 #109

Bad look, McCaskill. AOC needs to prove herself and her bone fides once she takes office... FreepFryer Dec 2018 #65

If you factor in election fraud, then it's entirely possible that McCaskill actually won. A quick diva77 Dec 2018 #76

McGaskill loses a red state, she's a has-been who needs to shut up and go away EffieBlack Dec 2018 #104

O'Rourke is busy down on the border helping people get housing - he's not attacking other Dems womanofthehills Dec 2018 #120

Attacking other Dems is why people question AOC. R B Garr Dec 2018 #134

Actually, the primary turnout was slighiy higher than expected which is why AOL won womanofthehills Dec 2018 #147

Her own acknowledgement is that it was extraordinarily R B Garr Dec 2018 #149

McCaskill is a little confused about a lot of stuff imo. shanny Dec 2018 #80

See ya, Claire! NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #101

Crappy article, creating divisiveness from nowhere. sharedvalues Dec 2018 #108

It's always a double edged sword for dems running in red states. tavernier Dec 2018 #125

Some of our lucky blue staters have no idea what it takes to for a Dem to win in a deep red state. redstateblues Dec 2018 #126

I'd like to see AOC campaigning for a Senate seat in Missouri. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #157

Before trashing McCaskill, you might see the entire interview. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #127

No one reads anything in full anymore nini Dec 2018 #141

Free college in state universities can happen in two yrs if we take back the Senate womanofthehills Dec 2018 #148

How do we take back the Senate? kstewart33 Dec 2018 #154

Does anyone really take part in this mass nonsense? DFW Dec 2018 #129

Bingo, DFW. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #155

I think reality is dawning on her already. DFW Dec 2018 #158

Bye Felicia! Quemado Dec 2018 #133

I'm not sure anyone is hating on anyone here Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2018 #136

To bad she didn't speak up more samplegirl Dec 2018 #143

I met Sen. McCaskill at a party once, she seemed personable. I think it may have been just before juxtaposed Dec 2018 #151

AOC tweets about disappointment in McCaskill - plus - McCaskill backing Trump on caravan womanofthehills Dec 2018 #152

Wow. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #156