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Showing Original Post only (View all)Kurt Eichenwald - The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all]
https://www.newsweek.com/myths-cost-democrats-presidential-election-521044By Kurt Eichenwald On 11/14/16 at 12:22 PM
On Friday, I almost assaulted a fan of my work. I was in the Philadelphia International Airport, and a man who recognized me from one of my appearances on a television news show approached. He thanked me for the investigative reporting I had done about Donald Trump before the election, expressed his outrage that the Republican nominee had won and then told me quite gruffly, Get back to work. Something about his arrogance struck me, so I asked, Who did you vote for?
He replied, Well, Stein, but I interrupted him and said, Youre lucky its illegal for me to punch you in the face. Then, after telling him to have sex with himselfbut with a much cruder termI turned and walked away.
A certain kind of liberal makes me sick. These people traffic in false equivalencies, always pretending that both nominees are the same, justifying their apathy and not voting or preening about their narcissistic purity as they cast their ballot for a person they know cannot win. I have no problem with anyone who voted for Trump, because they wanted a Trump presidency. I have an enormous problem with anyone who voted for Trump or Stein or Johnsonor who didnt vote at alland who now expresses horror about the outcome of this election. If you dont like the consequences of your own actions, shut the hell up.
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Which leads back to the main point: Awash in false conspiracy theories and petulant immaturity, liberals put Trump in the White House. Trump won slightly fewer votes than Romney did in 201260.5 million compared with 60.9 million. On the other hand, almost 5 million Obama voters either stayed home or cast their votes for someone else. More than twice as many millennialsa group heavily invested in the Sanders was cheated out of the nomination fantasyvoted third-party. The laughably unqualified Jill Stein of the Green Party got 1.3 million votes; those voters almost certainly opposed Trump; if just the Stein voters in Michigan had cast their ballot for Clinton, she probably would have won the state. And there is no telling how many disaffected Sanders voters cast their ballot for Trump.
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Kurt Eichenwald - The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all]
WhiteTara
Dec 2018
OP
If Gore had won his home state of TN both states would have been irrelevant.
former9thward
Dec 2018
#210
People making a decision to vote for one person over another is not "stealing" an election.
former9thward
Dec 2018
#232
How is it that you know plenty of Sanders voters, and in particular those who voted for Stein?
CentralMass
Jan 2019
#238
Paul Krugman warned in September 2016 that the same thing was happening to HRC.
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#159
As has been pointed out, and the date is in the OP, this was written in Nov 2016
muriel_volestrangler
Dec 2018
#181
Look at the date: Eichenwald wrote it in November 2016. Think back, then look around.
Hekate
Dec 2018
#34
I see it as pointing out what seems to happening again. Diviseness is being spread by Social Media
SharonAnn
Dec 2018
#73
I was stone cold Hillary in 2008 and was pissed when she lost and was not chosen as the VP nominee.
Blue_true
Dec 2018
#124
The russians shouldnt have been able to talk dems out of voting for dems but they did
Fullduplexxx
Dec 2018
#8
This thread talks about people who DON'T go out and vote for the Dem when push comes to shove.
Chemisse
Dec 2018
#128
That "Third Way" was actually resurrected by Sanders himself in an email to his followers....
George II
Dec 2018
#209
Would not surprise me if the references are an early attempt to smear Harris and Biden.
Blue_true
Dec 2018
#222
You're probably right, but since that term has become the negative rallying cry....
George II
Dec 2018
#223
re: "couldn't see how voting Green or Libertarian could almost certainly make Trump the president"
thesquanderer
Dec 2018
#41
But, if you don't Trump as President, why risk getting him doing a meaningless vote.
Blue_true
Dec 2018
#122
Apparently it worked in Wisconsin, where Jillsie won by more than the margin by which Hillary lost
Hekate
Dec 2018
#198
Well, they don't have Hillary to kick around any more, so what is their excuse now???????
northoftheborder
Dec 2018
#12
They're still kicking Hillary around, in an amazing turn of events (sarcasm). They & the GOP will...
Hekate
Dec 2018
#37
Why do you have two animations of violence against little girls in your posts, Hassin? Just curious.
Hekate
Dec 2018
#38
He has exhibited some really bizarre behavior and tells a lot of lies for a "journalist"
Hassin Bin Sober
Dec 2018
#217
A poster characterized it as "tentacle porn". It goes without saying that rape porn is disgusting.
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#177
Isn't googling images akin to what the writer in question is accused of doing? N/T
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#176
Because I have no expertise on the variations of tentacle porn, I'll take your word on its subsets.
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#182
Perhaps the writer in question was doing similar research at the time in question. N/T
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#185
Curious thing about uncited links... for all we know, it could be Ben Shapiro and Fox News. N/T
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#199
Researching hit pieces. (I think we've already established who researches tentacle porn.) N/T
lapucelle
Dec 2018
#205
You are selectively editing here ... the author continues 'because they WANTED a Trump Presidency'.
mr_lebowski
Dec 2018
#58
And maybe the Stein/Johnson, etc. voters WANTED a Stein/Johnson, etc. presidency.
SMC22307
Dec 2018
#96
I'm just saying your particular subject-line quote, and ensuing post, left out important context
mr_lebowski
Dec 2018
#98
And let's not forget jill's presence at the famous Putin dinner with Michael Flynn, etc.
judy
Dec 2018
#28
It seems pretty relevant today. The discord at DU is coming from other quarters, not Eichenwald...
Hekate
Dec 2018
#42
Eichenwald is lumping all liberals together. It is a certain kind of liberal that voted for
Nitram
Dec 2018
#39
Ture. I overlooked that. I should have written "Democrat" rather than "liberal."
Nitram
Dec 2018
#192
So many STILL believe these myths and new ones will be created if either Bernie decides not to
seaglass
Dec 2018
#44
He wrote this a week after the election. Lots of anger mixed with some self-pity.
EleanorR
Dec 2018
#48
What crap - NOTHING Democrats did or didn't do mattered. PUTIN saw to that.
50 Shades Of Blue
Dec 2018
#55
Massive amounts of US-generated voter suppression techniques, the New Jim Crow Laws, Citizens United
Hekate
Dec 2018
#118
He needs to consider the large amounts of anti Clinton stuff pushed by Russians and media
lancelyons
Dec 2018
#57
It's the voters fault! Will this be an effective campaign strategy in 2020? Stay tuned....
jalan48
Dec 2018
#59
Eichenwald says 5 million Dems didn't vote for Hillary and that's what made the difference
FakeNoose
Dec 2018
#84
I have a cousin, the only close blood relative on my mom's side I still see every few years..
mountain grammy
Dec 2018
#112
I would add what at the end was another false win -- Hillary would win by a landslide
karynnj
Dec 2018
#97
I don't know of any Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for Trump. But if there were any ...
marble falls
Dec 2018
#125
Sanders voters voted for Hillary in the general by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary voters in 2008 who
CentralMass
Dec 2018
#224
You shifted the terms of the argument presented in order to express what you felt
lapucelle
Jan 2019
#237
The same guy who was cyber attacked so badly it nearly killed him is talking "conspiracy theories".
Baltimike
Dec 2018
#174