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15. Pretty much agree with this, except

Sat Dec 29, 2018, 12:29 PM

Dec 2018

The primaries left me in a state of helpless horror. There was so much bullshit. I’m actually not one to argue much with people who are into conspiracy with no evidence. When Hillary lost, I wasn’t nearly as shocked as I should have been, and I was plenty shocked.

That being said, the whole sorry situation is the end result of reactionary racism and sexism. Trump is peak bigotry, peak Whiteness as a social dominant. We have millions of very proud bigots in this country. While the political malignancy of Stein voters and die-hard Hilliary haters was always very evident, I’m not inclined to give White people in general a pass on this. Black women voters knew what was at stake on voted accordingly.

So yeah, I remain angry and will always be angry at the left voters who bailed when they KNEW the Supreme Court was at stake, I am even angrier at our systems of Institutionalized bigotries, which are being strengthened by the Trump courts.

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Kurt Eichenwald - The Myths Democrats Swallowed That Cost Them the Presidential Election [View all] WhiteTara Dec 2018 OP

Reading later underpants Dec 2018 #1

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #2

Exactly right Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #13

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #56

Unfortunately Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #78

I've yet to find a Sanders supporter who voted for Trump but onit2day Dec 2018 #136

Nader did sway the election Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #145

If Gore had won his home state of TN both states would have been irrelevant. former9thward Dec 2018 #210

Vote was outspent 3 to 1 in Tennessee Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #229

People making a decision to vote for one person over another is not "stealing" an election. former9thward Dec 2018 #232

Not what I said at all. Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #233

Moving the goalposts again, eh? LanternWaste Dec 2018 #231

Well, that assertion is true if WhiteTara Dec 2018 #168

Nader was key in giving Bush the 2000 victory Gothmog Dec 2018 #190

Really? Gothmog Dec 2018 #193

How is it that you know plenty of Sanders voters, and in particular those who voted for Stein? CentralMass Jan 2019 #238

Nader was Rove's puppet just as stein was Putin's puppet Gothmog Dec 2018 #191

+1 CaptainTruth Dec 2018 #22

I know how Kurt feel. Blue_true Dec 2018 #40

But, remember- greenman3610 Dec 2018 #62

I have a saying. Blue_true Dec 2018 #65

"People truly are at all times what they are at crunchtime" FM123 Dec 2018 #103

Sorry, I am horrible with double LL, get me every time. Blue_true Dec 2018 #123

+1000 Hamlette Dec 2018 #67

That was a pivotal moment for climate change too. Chemisse Dec 2018 #127

Paul Krugman warned in September 2016 that the same thing was happening to HRC. lapucelle Dec 2018 #159

yeah, but it pisses me off when... Trueblue Texan Dec 2018 #116

I'm with you. SergeStorms Dec 2018 #146

... lapucelle Dec 2018 #154

As has been pointed out, and the date is in the OP, this was written in Nov 2016 muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #181

Yes, and no. better Dec 2018 #186

Completely agree Fullduplexxx Dec 2018 #3

... and they are back to do it all over again. Zoonart Dec 2018 #4

Yep, they're already gearing up to re-do the divisiveness of 2016... brush Dec 2018 #36

I Am A Strong Bernie Supporter Who Phone Banked For And Donated To Hillary PaulX2 Dec 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #68

Plus justie18 Dec 2018 #158

"I have no problem with anyone who voted for Trump..." theaocp Dec 2018 #5

Self reflection is good .. you get it but not everyone does Fullduplexxx Dec 2018 #7

Look at the date: Eichenwald wrote it in November 2016. Think back, then look around. Hekate Dec 2018 #34

It is not infighting. It telling people to use their fucking heads. Blue_true Dec 2018 #43

This OP is solving less than nothing. theaocp Dec 2018 #46

One thing that I know. Blue_true Dec 2018 #50

it is a deliberate distraction azureblue Dec 2018 #66

I see it as pointing out what seems to happening again. Diviseness is being spread by Social Media SharonAnn Dec 2018 #73

The article is from 2016, fresh off the disaster. paleotn Dec 2018 #91

Did you look at the date on it? (nt) ehrnst Dec 2018 #150

Not only did I look at it, I WhiteTara Dec 2018 #169

I think that this articleis ztill very relevant Gothmog Dec 2018 #207

Many of us received an email this week, crowing about what happened in 2016 lapucelle Dec 2018 #152

I was with Hillary from the primaries GWC58 Dec 2018 #99

I was stone cold Hillary in 2008 and was pissed when she lost and was not chosen as the VP nominee. Blue_true Dec 2018 #124

Maybe had Senator Obama chose Hillary GWC58 Jan 2019 #239

You have to wonder about if she was VP. Blue_true Jan 2019 #240

No doubt about it, my friend. 👍🏻 GWC58 Jan 2019 #241

You just don't get it.... paleotn Dec 2018 #88

X 10,000 radical noodle Dec 2018 #139

Yep. And in 2020 it is going to be Medicare for all. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #144

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #149

Let me get this straight: We are to blame??? Ah NO, we are not to blame MagickMuffin Dec 2018 #6

The russians shouldnt have been able to talk dems out of voting for dems but they did Fullduplexxx Dec 2018 #8

"Should not..." ehrnst Dec 2018 #173

It wasn't just Russians ...read the old JPR posts. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #11

People like the person you mentioned. Blue_true Dec 2018 #49

Exactly! peggysue2 Dec 2018 #74

I agree...many are back...some never left. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #92

I'm noticing the disruptive posts. Honeycombe8 Dec 2018 #95

like this thread? scipan Dec 2018 #114

This thread talks about people who DON'T go out and vote for the Dem when push comes to shove. Chemisse Dec 2018 #128

do you mean will Pitt who threatened to kill a homeless woman ? JI7 Dec 2018 #104

Yes. A really angry person that did nothing but attack democrats. Blue_true Dec 2018 #120

Let's make that a trifecta and add WillyT to the mix. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #142

Speaking of Manny... Hekate Dec 2018 #197

Ah, yes Third Way Manny. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #200

Happy new year, she Hekate Dec 2018 #201

You too, hon. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #206

That "Third Way" was actually resurrected by Sanders himself in an email to his followers.... George II Dec 2018 #209

I noticed, believe me, and noticed how eager some were to pick up the refrain Hekate Dec 2018 #211

Would not surprise me if the references are an early attempt to smear Harris and Biden. Blue_true Dec 2018 #222

You're probably right, but since that term has become the negative rallying cry.... George II Dec 2018 #223

Lots of posts referencing Third Way lately mcar Dec 2018 #213

Just a coinkydink, I am sure Hekate Dec 2018 #215

Yep, nothing to see here mcar Dec 2018 #216

I would not be surprised if Manny hasn't slithered back in. Blue_true Dec 2018 #219

Quite a trifecta mcar Dec 2018 #212

I remember WillyT and Marym. Blue_true Dec 2018 #218

I agree about Willy. sheshe2 Dec 2018 #220

If Stein voters Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #14

... and anyone who voted for Stein, a Traitor to this country. louis c Dec 2018 #23

I remember listening to an interview on NPR a week before the election. luvtheGWN Dec 2018 #30

You explain our system very well. louis c Dec 2018 #33

re: "couldn't see how voting Green or Libertarian could almost certainly make Trump the president" thesquanderer Dec 2018 #41

Agreed. luvtheGWN Dec 2018 #70

But, if you don't Trump as President, why risk getting him doing a meaningless vote. Blue_true Dec 2018 #122

You are a true patriot. You understand our political system louis c Dec 2018 #135

Apparently it worked in Wisconsin, where Jillsie won by more than the margin by which Hillary lost Hekate Dec 2018 #198

If you voted for Stein, or didn't vote, or spread any of the Squinch Dec 2018 #51

I only know of one person who voted for Stein and it isn't me MagickMuffin Dec 2018 #61

I'm not thinking anything about who you voted for. I'm responding to your post Squinch Dec 2018 #85

Just to clarify, did you vote for Clinton in 2016? Silent3 Dec 2018 #175

Just to clarify: Of course I voted for Hillary Clinton MagickMuffin Dec 2018 #179

What do you mean by this? mcar Dec 2018 #214

the dem party and progressive groups are to blame because they've got certainot Dec 2018 #79

He's blaming those who didn't vote for Hillary ... Martin Eden Dec 2018 #153

They are back at it for sure. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #9

"He expressed outrage that the Republican nominee had won" ooky Dec 2018 #10

Well, they don't have Hillary to kick around any more, so what is their excuse now??????? northoftheborder Dec 2018 #12

They're still kicking Hillary around, in an amazing turn of events (sarcasm). They & the GOP will... Hekate Dec 2018 #37

Pretty much agree with this, except ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #15

"I have no problem with anyone who voted for Trump..." SMC22307 Dec 2018 #16

No, he's the "tentacle porn" guy. Lol. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #24

He is also the seizure guy oberliner Dec 2018 #27

Why do you have two animations of violence against little girls in your posts, Hassin? Just curious. Hekate Dec 2018 #38

Little girls are the real enemy IronLionZion Dec 2018 #102

That is certainly one answer, isn't it? Hekate Dec 2018 #117

Ummhmm. nt sheshe2 Dec 2018 #143

At least he doesn't appear to be a rape porn guy. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #155

... ehrnst Dec 2018 #171

LOL! Yeah, Kurt, leave your wife and kids out of your porn habit! SMC22307 Dec 2018 #94

The guy has integrity issues. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #121

Maybe that's why I've tuned him out. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #162

He has exhibited some really bizarre behavior and tells a lot of lies for a "journalist" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #217

Is tentacle porn as troubling as rape porn? lapucelle Dec 2018 #156

Actually tentacle porn was his lame excuse. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #160

A poster characterized it as "tentacle porn". It goes without saying that rape porn is disgusting. lapucelle Dec 2018 #177

Bestiality, rape, tentacles in every orifice? SMC22307 Dec 2018 #161

Isn't googling images akin to what the writer in question is accused of doing? N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #176

You've dodged the answer to your own question. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #180

Because I have no expertise on the variations of tentacle porn, I'll take your word on its subsets. lapucelle Dec 2018 #182

Probably not a very smart thing to do on your part... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #184

Perhaps the writer in question was doing similar research at the time in question. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #185

Seems Eichenwald has a habit of making excuses... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #196

Curious thing about uncited links... for all we know, it could be Ben Shapiro and Fox News. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #199

"Researching" tentacle porn? SMC22307 Dec 2018 #203

Researching hit pieces. (I think we've already established who researches tentacle porn.) N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #205

You are selectively editing here ... the author continues 'because they WANTED a Trump Presidency'. mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #58

And maybe the Stein/Johnson, etc. voters WANTED a Stein/Johnson, etc. presidency. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #96

I'm just saying your particular subject-line quote, and ensuing post, left out important context mr_lebowski Dec 2018 #98

This NTY piece about Milwaukee non-voters made me feel... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #166

ad ho�mi�nem /ˌad ˈhmənəm/ ehrnst Dec 2018 #151

You don't have a problem with someone supposedly on our side... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #167

straw man /ˌstr ˈman/ ehrnst Dec 2018 #170

I'll take that as a no. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #178

.... ehrnst Dec 2018 #188

Great article Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #17

I remember this pathetic piece from 2016. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #18

Jill Stein is a Traitor to this contry, is that your point? louis c Dec 2018 #20

I really don't pay attention to Jill Stein. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #165

Agree: 100% louis c Dec 2018 #19

United we stand, divided we fall. watoos Dec 2018 #21

I don't know. It does explain that a Genreal Election... louis c Dec 2018 #25

cool story, bro shanny Dec 2018 #26

And let's not forget jill's presence at the famous Putin dinner with Michael Flynn, etc. judy Dec 2018 #28

Thank You So Much Mr. Eichenwald & Thank You White Tara Me. Dec 2018 #29

I remember this 2016 essay well. Good reminder, White Tara. Hekate Dec 2018 #31

Why is a 2016 article being posted now? recentevents Dec 2018 #32

It seems pretty relevant today. The discord at DU is coming from other quarters, not Eichenwald... Hekate Dec 2018 #42

Maybe because the trolls are swarming here again lately. Squinch Dec 2018 #52

PS, I think it should be regularly posted until people get over the idea that Squinch Dec 2018 #53

Discord? Chemisse Dec 2018 #129

+1 betsuni Dec 2018 #134

+2 Hekate Dec 2018 #137

Eichenwald pamdb Dec 2018 #35

Eichenwald is lumping all liberals together. It is a certain kind of liberal that voted for Nitram Dec 2018 #39

He's not doing any such thing. Squinch Dec 2018 #54

He specifically said "A certain kind of liberal makes me sick." Chemisse Dec 2018 #130

Ture. I overlooked that. I should have written "Democrat" rather than "liberal." Nitram Dec 2018 #192

So many STILL believe these myths and new ones will be created if either Bernie decides not to seaglass Dec 2018 #44

I respect and admire Kurt Eichenwald mountain grammy Dec 2018 #45

He wrote this a week after the election. Lots of anger mixed with some self-pity. EleanorR Dec 2018 #48

Thank you for that perspective. mountain grammy Dec 2018 #111

Eichenwald Nailed It! dlk Dec 2018 #47

What crap - NOTHING Democrats did or didn't do mattered. PUTIN saw to that. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2018 #55

Only because some who would've voted D believed th s@@t they spread SharonAnn Dec 2018 #75

Not "only." BECAUSE OF PUTIN. Put the blame where it belongs! 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2018 #89

Stein was one of Putin's tools to win. Chemisse Dec 2018 #131

Massive amounts of US-generated voter suppression techniques, the New Jim Crow Laws, Citizens United Hekate Dec 2018 #118

He needs to consider the large amounts of anti Clinton stuff pushed by Russians and media lancelyons Dec 2018 #57

It's the voters fault! Will this be an effective campaign strategy in 2020? Stay tuned.... jalan48 Dec 2018 #59

Always love your hot takes. emulatorloo Dec 2018 #183

Thanks! jalan48 Dec 2018 #187

... emulatorloo Dec 2018 #189

.. jalan48 Dec 2018 #194

put this quote in GOLD DonCoquixote Dec 2018 #60

"Narcissistic purity" expresses it well WhiskeyWulf Dec 2018 #63

What a ridiculously divisive post. Why else KPN Dec 2018 #64

Still think this OP isn't divisive?? watoos Dec 2018 #69

Uh, this is from a week after the election in 2016 TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #72

He brings up some good points. PatrickforO Dec 2018 #76

I agree with everyone that agrees with me... siriuslll Dec 2018 #77

sigh Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #83

I don't like the phrase "voting your conscience." wasupaloopa Dec 2018 #110

Not liberals. LIBERALS knew what to do. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #80

I'm a liberal and .. ananda Dec 2018 #81

Liberals didn't put drumpf in the WH. lark Dec 2018 #82

Eichenwald says 5 million Dems didn't vote for Hillary and that's what made the difference FakeNoose Dec 2018 #84

I hope the few Stein-ers I know understand their errors now. BlancheSplanchnik Dec 2018 #86

I have a cousin, the only close blood relative on my mom's side I still see every few years.. mountain grammy Dec 2018 #112

Tell that to Sarandon Gothmog Dec 2018 #195

I disagree somewhat with this analysis jimlup Dec 2018 #87

The problem is most Americans are fucking clueless. shockey80 Dec 2018 #90

Odd that major media is never blamed Cetacea Dec 2018 #93

I would add what at the end was another false win -- Hillary would win by a landslide karynnj Dec 2018 #97

Well, this is certainly a productive discussion. progressoid Dec 2018 #100

Ratfucking and trolling was widespread in 2016 IronLionZion Dec 2018 #101

I don't play in purity. It's defeating lovemydogs Dec 2018 #105

Ha, love it! betsuni Dec 2018 #106

counterproductive to post this old article KayF Dec 2018 #107

Excuse me. But, to quote the article: "Liberals did zentrum Dec 2018 #108

Russian propaganda aimed to suppress liberal votes sharedvalues Dec 2018 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #113

I've asked you this question before BlueWI Dec 2018 #115

Bravo! This whole article was a joy to read. n/t D23MIURG23 Dec 2018 #119

I don't know of any Bernie Sanders supporters who voted for Trump. But if there were any ... marble falls Dec 2018 #125

I don't remember having read that before Progressive dog Dec 2018 #126

I read it a long time ago Gothmog Dec 2018 #133

Great article Gothmog Dec 2018 #132

Spot on. Firestorm49 Dec 2018 #138

We know a lot more now than we did when he wrote this. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #140

THIS. BlueWI Dec 2018 #157

Contextualized facts are generally preferable to random raw stats. lapucelle Dec 2018 #208

Sanders voters voted for Hillary in the general by a 2 to 1 margin over Hillary voters in 2008 who CentralMass Dec 2018 #224

That sounds like an argument for closed primaries. N/T lapucelle Dec 2018 #225

I belive of the the 3 states only Wisconsin holds and open primary CentralMass Dec 2018 #226

Some of the primary voting stats may have helped stoke a narrative lapucelle Dec 2018 #227

So here's another take. BlueWI Dec 2018 #228

The data I cited concerns numbers, not percentages. lapucelle Dec 2018 #230

Percentages are numbers too. BlueWI Jan 2019 #234

A percetage is a number that expresses a fraction of 100. lapucelle Jan 2019 #235

Has anyone disputed that fact? BlueWI Jan 2019 #236

You shifted the terms of the argument presented in order to express what you felt lapucelle Jan 2019 #237

Sure. Suggesting more productive angles is allowed BlueWI Jan 2019 #242

People were warned that what happened in 2000 was happening again in 2016. lapucelle Jan 2019 #243

So this isn't fighting the last war BlueWI Jan 2019 #244

I've been posting about the 2000 election for years. lapucelle Jan 2019 #245

+A googol nt eppur_se_muova Dec 2018 #164

" throwing mud at Bernie Sanders and his 13 million voters" ehrnst Dec 2018 #172

... lapucelle Dec 2018 #204

An oldie but a goodie. NoMoreRepugs Dec 2018 #141

Its this simple: kaotikross Dec 2018 #147

Ranked Choice Voting tecelote Dec 2018 #148

Russian Rat Fuckers & Stupid Liberals sellitman Dec 2018 #163

The same guy who was cyber attacked so badly it nearly killed him is talking "conspiracy theories". Baltimike Dec 2018 #174

Eichenwald playing the victim again Ciaphas Cain Dec 2018 #202

Good reminder, at a good time. The fact is that winning isn't enough and all distractions hurt. ucrdem Dec 2018 #221

I wonder if it was Jimmy Dore he ran into? Quixote1818 Jan 2019 #246