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MADem

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31. Where's the US's "offer?" And why would they make one? They've gotten what they want!
Sun Aug 19, 2012, 04:11 PM
Aug 2012

The US doesn't want Assange--he's radioactive.

They might want Assange to shut the fuck up, and stop doing what he is doing, but he's nothing but a headache right now--particularly before a US election, so, despite the insistence of a few vociferous folks, they don't want to drag him to America to testify against Bradley Manning (like he'd be a good witness...not)--they already have the forensic evidence in that regard.

The best way to get Assange to shut up and stop doing what he is doing is to corner him...and that appears to have happened.

Ecuador, in Correa's need to pull the tail of the British lion to position himself as the Heir to the Chavez "Imperialist Tweaking" Crown, made a grandiose offer ... and now he's stuck with Julian, the Semi-Permanent Houseguest. At least until Correa chooses to throw him under the bus.

It looks like Assange is getting good at using a Flow-Bee to cut his own hair. He'd better guard his health and try to avoid illness so he won't need a doctor, and brush his teeth well--he won't be able to leave to see a dentist. He might be stuck in that embassy for awhile. A couple of cops and some passive/positive surveillance equipement monitoring his every move is way cheaper than having to imprison him formally. Let Ecuador be his jailer--they can pay for it, he's stuck, and everyone knows right where to find him.

This isn't about "win-wins," to my mind, and your silly little "you should be happy" comment tells me you're needlessly (and rather immaturely, frankly) personalizing this conversation--I am just looking at this logically. Why would USA want to re-energize the near dead "We're not political, we have no leaders, all the political parties suck" OWS movement (which couldn't bother to do any protesting over the outrageous sentence of young women musicians who were thrown in jail for two years for a silly little protest in a church) by goading them with a parade of "Assange, the poor victim?" Why would they be so foolish...when they've already gotten a good result, thanks to Ecuador's pompous need to play the tough guy? So long as Assange is in that embassy, he's not running Wikileaks. He's neutralized.

I don't know how often people are going to want to come by to hear Evita-like pronouncements from the balcony in Knightsbridge. I think that show will get stale in a hurry. I suppose if you were on your way to Harrod's anyway, it might be fun, but I don't think the interest will be sustained. The longer Assange stays in that embassy, the less people will give a shit about him. IMO. And this has nothing whatsoever to do with his guilt or innocence vis-a-vis Sweden (though if the Ecuadorans keep him imprisoned--er, under asylum protection--for three or four years, the Swedes may consider that fair value, too) it's just the way the public mindset works.

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I would like to tama Aug 2012 #1
Some additional sources: Robb Aug 2012 #12
Thanks tama Aug 2012 #17
Really? You think that's a positive sign, after the leader of Belarus personally visited Correa? MADem Aug 2012 #27
Freedom of press in Ecuador tama Aug 2012 #29
Usual culprits? Human rights agencies are suspicious, now? MADem Aug 2012 #33
There was a time tama Aug 2012 #37
You said "usual culprits." I responded with the names of four human rights agencies. MADem Aug 2012 #44
Yup tama Aug 2012 #47
OK, so your position is that these agencies, which support freedom of the press, are right-wing MADem Aug 2012 #50
I am quite certain that if the UK Downwinder Aug 2012 #2
Uh-oh...this kind of fucks up the "narrative," doesn't it? MADem Aug 2012 #3
You seem to accept that the extradition is a case of venal pay-for-play by Ecuador with Balarus leveymg Aug 2012 #4
Heck of a coincidence, then. Robb Aug 2012 #6
You should be happy, it means Ecuador has a price they're willing to sell Assange for riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #7
Think about the absurdity of what you're saying. Robb Aug 2012 #9
You're the one who posted the OP that strongly implies Ecuador sold Barankov to Belaraus riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #18
Just as likely, Ecuador imagined the US would offer something, and we didn't. Robb Aug 2012 #34
Oh, that may very well be. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #36
I don't "seeeeeeeeeeem" to "accept" anything. I'm speculating here like every other swinging MADem Aug 2012 #23
So Ecuador's a "little hypocritical and self serving", and the US is about a million times more. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #25
Where's the US's "offer?" And why would they make one? They've gotten what they want! MADem Aug 2012 #31
Your post #3 made this OP about $. Robb, who knows, maybe he wants to make Ecuador look $ grubbing? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #32
I didn't "make it" about money. I opined as to motivation, is all. MADem Aug 2012 #38
Honestly, at this point we don't know if its hypocrisy, $$ grubbing, attention seeking, principles riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #40
If you will look at my first position (sounds like ballet lessons) you'll see a field of MADem Aug 2012 #46
It is a uniquely American solution you've got there! Robb Aug 2012 #48
More like a "why re-invent the wheel" type thing. MADem Aug 2012 #49
I expect Assange to write while in confinement, and confined he will be. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #52
Ecuador has granted Assange asylum, but we do not know what kind of JDPriestly Aug 2012 #51
That's the international game then isn't it? If Assange gets 5 more years to expose intl crimes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #5
would that come under political actions/behavior? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #30
Ecuador has publicly offered to hand Assange over to Sweden, too. Also to facilitate questions by.. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #8
You're quite aware, as is Assange, that formal questioning off Swedish soil holds no legal ground. Robb Aug 2012 #10
Which is fine, because he hasn't been formally charged with anything. Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #19
Under Swedish law, he cannot be -- until he is formally questioned. You know that, too. Robb Aug 2012 #26
I'd bet if he were wiretapped from where he is and admitted something, they would use it against him julian09 Aug 2012 #28
Marianne Nye has lied about this. There is no Swedish law that prevented sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #39
Why is he not willing to come to the US and be tried? treestar Aug 2012 #13
Duh, maybe because there's no public case against him yet? Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #15
Assange case has nothing to do with civil disobedience tama Aug 2012 #22
They have? That doesn't sound like "asylum" to me, then! MADem Aug 2012 #24
I see you've been reading the tabloids. But then, this is a typical example sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #41
If you are going to be snarky, at least read the whole thread, OK? MADem Aug 2012 #43
It appears the asylum Ecuador offers is not permanent treestar Aug 2012 #11
Technically it hasn't been revoked yet, but there was a hearing to do so on the 9th. Robb Aug 2012 #14
Ecuador has offered to hand over Assange also. Is there any report on the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #16
Thanks n/t tama Aug 2012 #20
mideast war promoters together again, what does it all mean HiPointDem Aug 2012 #21
Color me not surprised TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #35
Assange and Correa became acquainted while Assange was working as a correspondent/interviewer/ MADem Aug 2012 #45
DU rec...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #42
There appears now to be a Wikipedia article: Robb Aug 2012 #53
heh mediafibs Aug 2012 #54
even google mediafibs Aug 2012 #55
Update: story seems to have legs. Robb Aug 2012 #56
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