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Fortinbras Armstrong

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37. I'd like to take on the bit from Falwell, Jr's statement that was not highlighted
Fri Jan 4, 2019, 09:37 AM
Jan 2019
There’s two kingdoms. There’s the earthly kingdom and the heavenly kingdom. In the heavenly kingdom the responsibility is to treat others as you’d like to be treated. In the earthly kingdom, the responsibility is to choose leaders who will do what’s best for your country.


Falwell is basing this on a fundamental misreading of The City of God, a massive treatise on history, philosophy and the Christian religion by the fourth century Christian writer, Augustine of Hippo. In it, Augustine develops a theory of two cities: the earthly city, and the heavenly city.

Falwell takes this theory of two cities to mean that there is an earthly city. which he identifies with the state or with public life (which is the literal meaning of the Latin res publica) that God created to operate by mortal rules of self-interest, while the heavenly city is meant to operate by self-giving. According to this theory, there is little that isn’t permissible here in the earthly city, at least when it comes to the worldly affairs of politics and public life. It is only in the heavenly city -- which, in this misreading, is often identified with either heaven itself or religious institutions such as the church -- that Christians are actually bound to follow the dictates of their religion.

Thus, for Falwell, Christians in the earthly city are free to put self-interest over anything, it seems. Thus, he explains, "You don’t choose a president based on how good they are; you choose a president based on what their policies are."

What Augustine's two cities actually symbolize are two different destinations for the soul. The earthly city consists of the number of people who are self-seeking and self-desiring, whose ultimate end is their own benefit. The heavenly city consists of those who seek to follow the will of God. But the two cities are not separate or wholly distinct, either spatially or institutionally: They are everywhere and always intermixed. Citizens can bear dual citizenship: People who earnestly seek God in all things nevertheless live in a world shaped by and devoted to self-interest, and the generally selfish can, at times, confront the transcendent.

But Christians should never stop being Christians. Augustine argued that not being self-seeking made Christians better citizens. What Falwell appears to take as a permission slip to abandon Christian principle when given enough power more or less suggests the opposite. There is no mandate in Augustine to put aside Christianity when participating in civic life; the hope is rather that Christian morality will inform better and more peaceful citizenship -- thanks to all those virtues Falwell doesn’t like: mercy, justice, equanimity, compassion.

Of course, that doesn't mean Falwell never cares for Christian principle in American leaders, or that he would actually endorse a misreading of Augustine if it were laid out for him next to a better reading. He seems instead to have been reasoning backward, trying to explain in Christian terms why he holds the conclusions he does, rather than beginning from the religion he claims to hold and following it to its own conclusions. Critics of Christianity have struggled for centuries with precisely what Falwell does: That the religion isn't very good at making you rich or powerful and that it offers very little advice for crushing your enemies or securing your own benefit at the expense of others. "A poor person never gave anyone a job. A poor person never gave anybody charity, not of any real volume," Falwell claims, in direct contradiction to a lesson shared by Jesus in Mark 12.

That story goes like this: Jesus watches one day as many people, rich and poor, put money into the temple treasury. Though some rich people give large amounts of money, Jesus only stops to note the donation of a poor widow who gives only a few cents. "Truly I tell you," Jesus says, "this poor widow has put in more than all those who are contributing to the treasury. For all of them have contributed out of their abundance; but she out of her poverty has put in everything she had, all she had to live on."

There are no perfect Christians; Falwell is right about that. (I certainly wouldn’t claim the mantle.) But it's important to distinguish between abdicating Christian values to get ahead in business and politics, and the erroneous view that God sanctions some amount of immorality as natural or appropriate to life on Earth. There is no zone in Christian theology where malignant selfishness is permitted. The heavenly city is here right now, if you want to dwell there.

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EXCELLENT! MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #1
Poor Jerry... czarjak Jan 2019 #2
Perfect malaise Jan 2019 #3
Thank you, Sarah Silverman! The Genealogist Jan 2019 #4
I always hated UpInArms Jan 2019 #5
What have these religious charlatans ever given to mankind, but grief. olegramps Jan 2019 #6
There's a special place in Hell. calimary Jan 2019 #8
It's a terrific place, believe me dalton99a Jan 2019 #10
Another great cartoon! calimary Jan 2019 #28
Well, if you go by the system of Dante's Hell there is a place for Fallwell and the like Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2019 #38
My great aunts fell for it, too ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #9
This says it all. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2019 #18
"can you imagine the level of a mind that watches wrestling?" Ferrets are Cool Jan 2019 #31
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I love Sarah! SergeStorms Jan 2019 #11
Perfect response. These people have no shame Pisces Jan 2019 #12
How about republican PoolBoys, Jerry Jr.? Did they ever give anyone "a job"? Achilleaze Jan 2019 #13
To be precise, his daddy got rich grifting poor people. Hugin Jan 2019 #14
Oh, Sarah. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU. (nt) Paladin Jan 2019 #15
Brilliant!! Soxfan58 Jan 2019 #16
He definitely needs to revisit the story of The Widow's Mite in the Bible. colorado_ufo Jan 2019 #17
I'd say he needs to revisit the entire Bible. WinstonSmith4740 Jan 2019 #21
If He Touched An Actual Bible, They'd Both Burst Into Flame nt smb Jan 2019 #26
Yep. And He hung out with them, favored them, and advocated for them. calimary Jan 2019 #29
This message was self-deleted by its author Tbear Jan 2019 #35
My long-ago ex's mother was a total sucker for these leeches. akraven Jan 2019 #19
Zing! oasis Jan 2019 #20
What a "Christian" Jerry Falwell Jr is... Perseus Jan 2019 #22
Amen, Sister Sarah! DemoTex Jan 2019 #23
Well, NOT all our uber rich inherited their wealth or give a cent to charity Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #24
Poor people give the most to charity as percents of income and wealth. Bernardo de La Paz Jan 2019 #25
In Fact, It Adds To A Larger Absolute Sum smb Jan 2019 #27
Just like taxes. Us small people pay a whole hell of a lot more than them. erronis Jan 2019 #33
K&R ck4829 Jan 2019 #30
Is it wrong of me to completely Lust for Sarah Silverman? (nt) mr_lebowski Jan 2019 #32
Nope. nt Lucky Luciano Jan 2019 #34
GF,Jr. should listen to what he should be preaching: LakeArenal Jan 2019 #36
I'd like to take on the bit from Falwell, Jr's statement that was not highlighted Fortinbras Armstrong Jan 2019 #37
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