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I have a question aboutAssange Peregrine Aug 2012 #1
IMO, Assange manipulated Bradley and proved himself untrustworthy (again) CabCurious Aug 2012 #303
1968, male, and yes I side strongly with Assange. I agree with him that the US should teddy51 Aug 2012 #2
1971, Female, Assange malokvale77 Aug 2012 #3
I just think the law should be followed treestar Aug 2012 #4
You mean like Bush, Cheney, Romney etc. are above it? Live and Learn Aug 2012 #8
No, why should they be? treestar Aug 2012 #10
Fine, we will get to Julian as soon as the rest are tried then. nt Live and Learn Aug 2012 #29
I don't think it's going to happen that way. treestar Aug 2012 #73
yes, bush & cheney will never be prosecuted. they'll die in their comfy beds attended by their HiPointDem Aug 2012 #129
and to which law, specifically, are you referrring? niyad Aug 2012 #21
x2 AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #31
International law/extradition law/Swedish law treestar Aug 2012 #74
again, WHICH law? to what CRIME are you referring? niyad Aug 2012 #107
He's in clear violation of British law metalbot Aug 2012 #195
and of what crimes HAS HE BEEN CHARGED in sweden, where all of this supposedly began? niyad Aug 2012 #200
firstly he can't be charged until the second interview is done Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #210
I don't care about laws that prevent transparency. nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #52
So how are we to survive as a nation if all of our information has to be open to other countries treestar Aug 2012 #75
Just a coincidence tama Aug 2012 #236
What do you mean? treestar Aug 2012 #260
The way I see it tama Aug 2012 #264
Do you not realize that we have to have SOME national security? treestar Aug 2012 #283
Don't get me wrong tama Aug 2012 #284
Well now you've invoked the Nazis treestar Aug 2012 #292
As said tama Aug 2012 #293
Laws are sometimes wrong brush Aug 2012 #136
In your view, laws against rape and other sexual assaults are simply wrong? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #183
Huh? brush Aug 2012 #184
Assange is hiding in Quito's London embassy to escape legal process in Sweden on sex allegations struggle4progress Aug 2012 #186
Legal process brush Aug 2012 #204
Railroading? Hmmm. The Swedish complaints are over TWO years old now. struggle4progress Aug 2012 #245
Timing brush Aug 2012 #271
You believe that a man, who trades in other people's secrets, couldn't break the law himself? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #272
Get real brush Aug 2012 #285
You claim he's being railroaded, though the original arrest order was issued by a Swedish struggle4progress Aug 2012 #286
But, again, why does a foreign national like Assange have to follow US law JDPriestly Aug 2012 #140
He hasn't broken US law. jeff47 Aug 2012 #166
What happens to spies in other countries who receive stolen U.S. secrets? randome Aug 2012 #169
The real spies tama Aug 2012 #240
Good point. randome Aug 2012 #242
Also editors fall into category of "journalist" tama Aug 2012 #263
He's wanted in Sweden for arrest on a rape allegation, rape being against Swedish law struggle4progress Aug 2012 #246
+100. I agree. Skip Intro Aug 2012 #194
Political asylum is here for when the machinery of government is used unjustly. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #296
And you have proof Sweden is abusing justice? Seems that Assange is... CabCurious Aug 2012 #305
Sweden is just not known to have a legal system that is that unfair treestar Aug 2012 #315
Tell that to the two guys that Sweden helped the CIA rendition to Egypt for torture. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #316
Was that during the post 911 insanity? treestar Aug 2012 #320
He has no right to disregard Swedish charges and flee forever CabCurious Aug 2012 #304
1976, Female, Sides with Assange Live and Learn Aug 2012 #5
You are not the only one tama Aug 2012 #241
And once he's in Sweden and the charges come... we'll see how you feel CabCurious Aug 2012 #306
1993, female, sides with Assange laundry_queen Aug 2012 #6
Female and 30 years older sides with Assange riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #12
1989, male, sides with Assange Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2012 #70
1986, Male, sides with rape victims...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #7
I'm sorry but wasn't the accusation refusal to use a condom? Live and Learn Aug 2012 #13
No, the accusation is RAPE. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #34
This OP is not about the sex charges, rape or otherwise. Live and Learn Aug 2012 #58
Your post, to which I was responding, was about the charges Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #59
which is not what the women are saying, is it? niyad Aug 2012 #108
It is in fact what at least one of them has said. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #110
No. Sex after consentual sex isn't rape. Both women had invited him into their beds. leveymg Aug 2012 #113
You are very much mistaken. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #120
It's not rape. She consented on the same occasion to have sex with him. The sex was consensual leveymg Aug 2012 #145
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #146
You don't know what you pretend to know. It was consensual sex on the same occasion. leveymg Aug 2012 #147
... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #148
Falling asleep does not constitute "withdrawal of consent". Complete Bullshit. leveymg Aug 2012 #150
I'm quite aware, thanks Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #154
Really? metalbot Aug 2012 #197
are you arguing that Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #211
I'm saying that it isn't rape if the sex was consensual. leveymg Aug 2012 #214
can it be said to be the same occation tho Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #215
Yes, going to bed and having consensual intercourse clearly signals consent. leveymg Aug 2012 #219
he had consent for sex with condom Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #220
Until the definition of rape is changed, it isn't rape. It isn't ethical, but it isn't rape. eom leveymg Aug 2012 #222
That is absolutely rape gollygee Aug 2012 #224
There may be a civil breech of promise case here. Doesn't meet the standard for criminal rape. leveymg Aug 2012 #225
What is a redefinition of rape is your idea gollygee Aug 2012 #228
You have to look at all sides. The law protects both parties. leveymg Aug 2012 #235
Again, this is frightening gollygee Aug 2012 #253
You are not a jury so you do not decide. randome Aug 2012 #226
actually initiating sex with a sleeping person Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #229
unless you can show reasonable expectation of consent reorg Aug 2012 #232
where do you see a reasonable expectation of consent for unprotected sex Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #233
there is no such legal category as "unprotected sex" reorg Aug 2012 #238
As I said, there may be a civil case for breach of promise, but it isn't criminal leveymg Aug 2012 #239
please provide transcripts reorg Aug 2012 #248
It's not rape if consent was given on the same occasion. leveymg Aug 2012 #237
this is something i doubt we will ever agree on Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #244
I think our disagreement is limited to legal definitions. leveymg Aug 2012 #255
as spider jerusalem posted earlier in this thread Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #258
Please see my response to SJ. eom leveymg Aug 2012 #268
She tweeted that she was half-sleep tama Aug 2012 #247
actually reorg Aug 2012 #251
Does it matter to you that Assange denies these allegations? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #312
I don't know what evidence exists Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #314
Well, you answered my question. You are not familiar with the case at all. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #318
Assange's own lawyer tho Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #319
No it does not gollygee Aug 2012 #223
Its a somewhat scary/frightening mindset isn't it? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #250
Are you kidding me? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #290
Woah. gollygee Aug 2012 #174
And she didn't have complaints the next day or after tama Aug 2012 #243
No. The issue is that she did not give consent for him to penetrate pnwmom Aug 2012 #37
Still seems to be a Swedish issue and a Swedish law. Live and Learn Aug 2012 #61
Not a Swedish issue and Swedish law. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #64
Thanks for the recitation of US law. Lets talk about Swedish law: leveymg Aug 2012 #149
Answered in response to another post. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #151
Your interpretation is nonsense. Falling asleep does not constitute "withdrawal of consent" leveymg Aug 2012 #152
The US law I'm pointing to actually applies if consent has been given Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #155
By the plain-language, that only applies in CA if prior consent has not been given. leveymg Aug 2012 #157
... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #161
Of course there's an allegation. eom leveymg Aug 2012 #162
Isn't that statute exactly a case where consent has been given? metalbot Aug 2012 #198
That part of the statute applies if consent was not given, someone falls asleep, and is assaulted. leveymg Aug 2012 #216
AA had given her flat for Assange to use tama Aug 2012 #249
True. And the Stockholm Wikileaks coordinator agrees with you. pnwmom Aug 2012 #83
She consented to sleep with him, and to have him penetrate her. That isn't rape. leveymg Aug 2012 #116
Ms. W. did NOT consent to penetration without a condom. pnwmom Aug 2012 #123
Even if true, how in the world would you prove these facts? JDPriestly Aug 2012 #141
That's true. I don't know what other evidence they have, pnwmom Aug 2012 #165
Actually it would LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #294
That is not clearly "rape." leveymg Aug 2012 #144
Wrong. She did NOT consent to having unprotected sexual intercourse, pnwmom Aug 2012 #164
Seriously? metalbot Aug 2012 #199
so what if its not against the law here, or is is suddenly only US law counts worldwide. loli phabay Aug 2012 #81
Actually, penetrating a woman while she's asleep is rape in the US too. n/t tammywammy Aug 2012 #88
yeah i know it is, but i was making the point that some people seem to think that swedish law dosent loli phabay Aug 2012 #93
After they have had consensual sex? leveymg Aug 2012 #115
Yes, a woman that is asleep or unconscious cannot consent to sex tammywammy Aug 2012 #117
She already had consensual sex with him in the same bed that evening. That is NOT rape. leveymg Aug 2012 #118
How is penetrating a woman while she's asleep NOT rape? tammywammy Aug 2012 #119
The answer is simple. ronnie624 Aug 2012 #138
yet she said it was Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #167
... The defence argues that the offences in the EAW are not extradition offences struggle4progress Aug 2012 #178
Do you honestly believe that the actions of Sweden, Britain and Ecuador are solely morningfog Aug 2012 #14
Sweden is a functioning democracy, where the courts are shielded from political pressure, and struggle4progress Aug 2012 #252
I side with rape victims as well, but that has NOTHING to do with this case niyad Aug 2012 #15
The Stockholm Wikileaks coordinator, a "close colleague" of Assange's, pnwmom Aug 2012 #39
The whole thing is so paranoid treestar Aug 2012 #79
It appears to be working for Assange, anyway. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #82
What rape victims? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #22
this victim? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #38
You realize this has nothing to do with rape, right? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #287
I think you completely misunderstand and mischaracterise the issue Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #9
If you "find the accuser's stories to be credible and believable," do you have a link to first-hand AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #36
I've read the police interviews. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #41
Thank you for the information, but did you notice that the link does not lead to interviews in nine AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #60
Comes to the same thing. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #63
Your claim, "Whether it's a verbatim transcript or a summary is irrelevant" does not determine AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #65
The "protocol" is a précis of the interview, there are extant transcripts and/or recordings. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #68
Your belief is not controlling. A précis of an interview /= a transcript of an interview. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #84
You appear to be going to absurdist lengths to deny the apparent evidence behind the Swedish warrant Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #91
Not at all. If you've been paying attention. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #97
I trust that the Swedish police and prosecuting authority aren't going to be just making things up frylock Aug 2012 #172
I don't tama Aug 2012 #259
You shouldn't tama Aug 2012 #256
would my post 38 in this thread qualify? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #43
#38 does not provide a link to first-hand account where stories from the "accuser" (or accusers) can AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #66
Here's the link to their only interview tammywammy Aug 2012 #69
A tabloid report of an interview? No thank you. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #85
That "tabloid" hired Assange to be one of their columnists before these incidents happened. MADem Aug 2012 #128
If true, so what? And the obvious garish layout indicates that it is a tabloid as much as AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #177
It's not a case of "if true" -- it IS true. MADem Aug 2012 #188
It is a tabloid. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #190
If it's a tabloid, it is a left wing tabloid that has been publishing for over a century. MADem Aug 2012 #191
It is a tabloid. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #192
Whatever. It's a tabloid that hired Assange. MADem Aug 2012 #202
the link to the swedish news article would be Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #103
hahahaHA! fascisthunter Aug 2012 #310
As I pointed out a few days ago... randome Aug 2012 #313
1975, male, I stand with Assange. nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #11
1983, Male, Assange MNBrewer Aug 2012 #16
1987, female, torn gollygee Aug 2012 #17
Roman Polanski. randome Aug 2012 #25
Yeah, that's what's typical. gollygee Aug 2012 #26
Giles Corey AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #217
1978, Male, stands with Assange Canuckistanian Aug 2012 #18
1968, Male, Sides With Assange Jumping John Aug 2012 #19
1972, Female, sides with Assange redqueen Aug 2012 #20
Good of you to put that down. nt msanthrope Aug 2012 #208
How so? redqueen Aug 2012 #209
Have you researched this? randome Aug 2012 #221
Polanski? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #282
1975, Female, Sides strongly with Assange and Wikileaks nt avebury Aug 2012 #23
There is enough of a kerfuffle to this sordid subject that your poll would be meaningless. randome Aug 2012 #24
Agree - there is not a binary picture here jberryhill Aug 2012 #35
+1 Assange is no Dreyfus, but the pressure from the US .gov is blatantly obvious. friendly_iconoclast Aug 2012 #55
since i'm curious Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #212
You basically hit all of the issues, but if you started an OP... joshcryer Aug 2012 #80
And we would all -pro and con- be trolls and enemies of democracy. randome Aug 2012 #89
Freedom of press in Ecuador tama Aug 2012 #261
1981, Male, Hope Assange rots with Manning... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #27
Welcome to DU! Fumesucker Aug 2012 #48
You, Sir, Are No Ben Caxton LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #51
Probably not... Ben_Caxton Aug 2012 #71
LOL! I grok. LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #90
Welcome to DU! randome Aug 2012 #92
1989, female, side with Assange n/t TDale313 Aug 2012 #28
People are putting the date they graduated high school here, right? Not year born? gollygee Aug 2012 #30
Problem is I don't really side with either. Cleita Aug 2012 #32
HS graduation date is not a reliable indicator jberryhill Aug 2012 #33
+1. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #42
There are good explanations tama Aug 2012 #265
"basic editorial work" jberryhill Aug 2012 #269
That's a fully documented Wikileaks editorial tama Aug 2012 #273
A fully documented Wikileaks editorial? jberryhill Aug 2012 #275
All public info tama Aug 2012 #279
The point is... jberryhill Aug 2012 #280
1971, Female, Assange MgtPA Aug 2012 #40
1986 female, I support the ideas of JA, but I think the Swedish case should be tried. Care Acutely Aug 2012 #44
Irrelevent, irrelevent, not that simple. NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #45
Can You Please Add Some More info In Your Profile? HangOnKids Aug 2012 #121
Why? nt NashvilleLefty Aug 2012 #122
1966, Female, Assange cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #46
1972, Male,Assange Spirochete Aug 2012 #47
2006, Male, Sides With Assange nt Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #49
Really? You're 6? I'm very impressed and I like your way of thinking. lob1 Aug 2012 #134
I thought it was date we graduated high school gollygee Aug 2012 #179
After rereading the post, you're absolutely right and I was wrong. lob1 Aug 2012 #185
1989, Female, Assange LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #50
Willy T! Old enough to be your Mom, and side with both for various reasons, but more with Assange. freshwest Aug 2012 #53
Thanks for the time you took to post this.... KoKo Aug 2012 #109
1957 the year they found out about smoking and orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #54
1976, female, don't care about JA, the governments, phylny Aug 2012 #56
1977, female, taking no side at this point. LWolf Aug 2012 #57
Male, 1977, Government of Sweden brooklynite Aug 2012 #62
1968, Female, Assange antiquie Aug 2012 #67
1987, Male, Sides with Assange, and openness, and freedom, and ideals DisgustipatedinCA Aug 2012 #72
1980, male, government hfojvt Aug 2012 #76
Not seeing much Romney/Ryan love here.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #104
you haven't seen a split on this? Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #203
I have not been reading the Assange threads hfojvt Aug 2012 #205
I guess the vocal minority is vocal Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #299
never (would have been '72), male, absolutely with Assange.... mike_c Aug 2012 #77
1980, female, sides with Assange and WikiLeaks. nt nc4bo Aug 2012 #78
1961, male, sides with Assange, Manning, and the right of the people to know about their government. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #86
1966, Male, sides with Assange. nt Bonobo Aug 2012 #87
1969, female. I stand with Assange against a government witch hunt. Autumn Aug 2012 #94
1975 Female Sides ith Assange n/t KegCreekDem Aug 2012 #95
1982 female sides w/Assange n/t choie Aug 2012 #96
69, Assange. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #98
50s male - sides w/ Assange. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #99
1980, female, Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #100
1984 Assange and Manning are heroes mattvermont Aug 2012 #101
Ask Hillary what affect Assange has had. Loudly Aug 2012 #102
More difficult tama Aug 2012 #266
1983, Male, sides strongly with Julian Assange and Manning. Denninmi Aug 2012 #105
1994, female, side with Assange to a certain extent. Jennicut Aug 2012 #106
It's the same old right - left issue. Conservatives support the wealthy, and their authority, Zorra Aug 2012 #111
so where on the scale do i fit? Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #213
Wherever you are I'm right there with you. great white snark Aug 2012 #254
Progressives generally base their POV on facts, reason, logic and evidence. Zorra Aug 2012 #300
i have not seen much facts, reason, logic and evidence that he is being framed tho Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #307
Really? Try this: Zorra Aug 2012 #308
an interesting report i will admit, tho i will take most the information with a grain of salt Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #309
1973, Female, Sides with Assange n/t Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #112
1964, F, Assange. nt tsuki Aug 2012 #114
'58, male, Assange pscot Aug 2012 #124
1970, Female, sides with Assange Hatchling Aug 2012 #125
I'm ignoring it bluestateguy Aug 2012 #126
This is a problem at home unc70 Aug 2012 #132
1952 Male intaglio Aug 2012 #127
Graduated in '74 & strongly support Assange. Vidar Aug 2012 #130
Prefer to remain uncategorized, but I strongly side with Assange. snot Aug 2012 #131
1966, male, Assange unc70 Aug 2012 #133
1972, Female, Sides With Whistleblowers . Why Syzygy Aug 2012 #135
1977, Male, Sides emphatically with Assange and spits on the UK government - fucking coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #137
1983, Female, neither Kalidurga Aug 2012 #139
how would you know how intent the women are? TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #193
There are good reasons to suspect tama Aug 2012 #267
1960, Female, Strong supporter of First Amendment Rights JDPriestly Aug 2012 #142
74, M, with Assange n/t calikid Aug 2012 #143
early 1990s and split BlueNinja Aug 2012 #153
Side with wikileaks NCTraveler Aug 2012 #156
The "Double Top Secret Everything" Is Iggy Aug 2012 #158
Also... Iggy Aug 2012 #159
Hey, we don't got no democracy, but we do have a truedelphi Aug 2012 #201
LOL... Iggy Aug 2012 #207
Yep, Her 16 million dollar mansion was described by SF Chronicle as truedelphi Aug 2012 #281
Well, her and Madeline Albright Iggy Aug 2012 #291
1967, Male, Side with Assange GliderGuider Aug 2012 #160
Male, 1971, Side with Asange 99Forever Aug 2012 #163
Could you ask if we like to kill puppies and kittens? It might be a little less biased. jeff47 Aug 2012 #168
I agree. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #187
... randome Aug 2012 #189
1973, female, side with assange shanti Aug 2012 #170
1980/ male / Assange Go Vols Aug 2012 #171
1983, male, NON-AUTHORITARIAN, sides with assange frylock Aug 2012 #173
Well said. woo me with science Aug 2012 #270
I think most people accused of siding against Assange gollygee Aug 2012 #175
1988, Female, undecided Nine Aug 2012 #176
Obviously the Onion is in on the conspiracy then! randome Aug 2012 #180
This conspiracy has a lot of layers. Nine Aug 2012 #181
I hate polls, age and gender discrimination and the government propagandists just1voice Aug 2012 #182
1971, female, side with Assange. Nt roody Aug 2012 #196
I don't have all the facts, but the whole manhunt stinks to high heaven. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #206
To answer your comment about the Pope, truedelphi Aug 2012 #297
Yeah, it was more a rhetorical question, but yeah. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #298
1975, Male, Sides with Assange Octafish Aug 2012 #218
1960 Male sides with Assange. zeemike Aug 2012 #227
1987, male, both aikoaiko Aug 2012 #230
1983, Male, Sides With Assange qb Aug 2012 #231
There is a poll and a gap tama Aug 2012 #234
'56, female, Assange fadedrose Aug 2012 #257
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #262
1950, Male, Assange Time for change Aug 2012 #274
1983, Female, sides with Assange janlyn Aug 2012 #276
1978, Male, Sides With Assange FiveGoodMen Aug 2012 #277
1974, female, would find for Assange 1monster Aug 2012 #278
This has nothing to do with rape or diplomatic cables. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #288
1988, male, Assange flobee1 Aug 2012 #289
1992, Male, Sides with Assange. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #295
1979, female, sides with Assange (nt) Autumn Colors Aug 2012 #301
Cannot. Will NOT support running from sexual misconduct charges CabCurious Aug 2012 #302
1974 Male, side with Assange................But Pharaoh Aug 2012 #311
2004, Male, sides with Assange. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #317
Dear WillyT, antiquie Aug 2012 #321
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