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In reply to the discussion: Should large potentially dangerous dog breeds such as Pit Bulls and Presa Canarios require a license [View all]baldguy
(36,649 posts)152. Quote the full paragraph, rather than misrepresenting the paper by cherry-picking one sentence.
http://nationalcanineresearchcouncil.com/uploaded_files/tinymce/Dog%20Bites%20Problems%20and%20Solutions.pdf
The statement in your post is about scientific studies, and can't be applied to general, non-scientific, mis-informed media reports. IOW, while pit bulls ARE erroneously overrepresented in media reports, they ARE NOT in actual studies with actual evidence which prove that pit bulls aren't any more likely to bite than other breeds.
In the same document, the NCRC specifically addresses the problem of identifying the breed of a specific individual dog:
And the recommendations in the same paper specifically DO NOT advocate breed-bans, as you do:
I guess actually reading a few pages is too much work for you, huh?
Dog bite fatalities are extremely rare, accounting for about one in 167,000 deaths per year in the U.S. Dog bites represent 0.2 percent of emergency room visits. They are comparable in incidence to (but less severe than) accidents involving many common household objects, such as chairs. Attempts have been made to reduce this injury rate by banning breeds of dogs considered dangerous. However, follow-up studies show no impact on bite rates following breed-ban legislation.
The statement in your post is about scientific studies, and can't be applied to general, non-scientific, mis-informed media reports. IOW, while pit bulls ARE erroneously overrepresented in media reports, they ARE NOT in actual studies with actual evidence which prove that pit bulls aren't any more likely to bite than other breeds.
In the same document, the NCRC specifically addresses the problem of identifying the breed of a specific individual dog:
The best known study of fatal dog bites has attributed more fatalities to dogs identified as pit bull type dogs over the past two decades than to any single breed. News reports of dog attacks often identify the dog or dogs involved as pit bulls. This has led to a widely held perception that some breeds of dogs present a greater risk of injuring people than others and therefore should be eliminated from the population as a public safety risk, even though the researchers themselves caution strongly against such an approach. One of the co-authors of the study, veterinarian behaviorist Goleb, has stated, It is frustrating for me personally because people who want to enact Breed Specific Legislation keep using the report to try and make a case against pit bulls. The whole point of our summary was to explain you cant do that. (emphasis from source) Nevertheless, hundreds of municipalities have instituted statutes that prohibit or limit the ownership of pit bulls and occasionally other breeds, most commonly Rottweilers. Numerous objections have been made to this approach, based on lack of reliable evidence that pit bulls are overrepresented among injurious biters.
And the recommendations in the same paper specifically DO NOT advocate breed-bans, as you do:
5. Recommendations ..........................................................................17-19
5.1 Effective legislation ......................................................................17
5.1.1 Enforcement of existing dog regulations ..........................17
5.1.2 Limit injury prevention proscriptions to
dogs who have bitten injuriously ......................................17
5.1.3 Tracking of dogs with one injurious bite ............................17
5.1.4 Bites in the context of other negligent infractions..............18
5.2 Focus prevention resources on education ..................................18
5.2.1 Educating children and adults to behave
safely around dogs ..........................................................18
5.2.2 Educating dog guardians in puppy-raising techniques
to minimize aggression ....................................................18
5.2.3 Incentives for breeders to select for low reactivity ............19
5.1 Effective legislation ......................................................................17
5.1.1 Enforcement of existing dog regulations ..........................17
5.1.2 Limit injury prevention proscriptions to
dogs who have bitten injuriously ......................................17
5.1.3 Tracking of dogs with one injurious bite ............................17
5.1.4 Bites in the context of other negligent infractions..............18
5.2 Focus prevention resources on education ..................................18
5.2.1 Educating children and adults to behave
safely around dogs ..........................................................18
5.2.2 Educating dog guardians in puppy-raising techniques
to minimize aggression ....................................................18
5.2.3 Incentives for breeders to select for low reactivity ............19
I guess actually reading a few pages is too much work for you, huh?
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Should large potentially dangerous dog breeds such as Pit Bulls and Presa Canarios require a license [View all]
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
OP
WRONG! THat is the biggest lie promulgated by promoters of these breeds.
Liberty Belle
Jan 2012
#130
Quote the full paragraph, rather than misrepresenting the paper by cherry-picking one sentence.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#152
They were talking about banning certain human beings who tend towards violence.
donheld
Jan 2012
#135
But you would require a well-trained 100lb dog to be licensed, but not a 10lb killer?
baldguy
Jan 2012
#19
So you don't accept the fact that larger dogs can potentially do a lot more damage? nt
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#25
An untrained, poorly trained or maliceously trained dog can & will do more damage
baldguy
Jan 2012
#29
You're basing your standards on things that have no bearing on the problem: breed or size.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#42
So incredibly poor training resulted in minor injuries for with that breed? nt
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#78
Hence the reasons many dog fighting rings features poodles and yorkies...?
LanternWaste
Jan 2012
#69
There are many breeds larger than Pit Bulls that are not used in dog fights normally. nt
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#80
I was not the one that claimed Irish Wolf Hounds are not used in dog fighting because they are hard
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#138
What do you think the damage would look like if the 105lb dog attacked? nt
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#26
And "vicious killer Pit Bull" stories circulate around & around & around. This story is 3 yrs old.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#58
So you would agree that a license and training may have helped this pet owner? nt
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#60
Until you have another method to assure that people are trained to train the dogs, then licensing
Snake Alchemist
Jan 2012
#96
No. But the city animal shelter where requires that their animals (dogs & cats) all to be nuetered.
baldguy
Jan 2012
#126
Yet the argument is not about larger dogs but pit bulls. There are dogs much larger than pits.
uppityperson
Jan 2012
#125
You want to ban all dogs larger than what? A beagle? Oops, Am Staff terriers are in that
uppityperson
Jan 2012
#132
should smaller dogs require licensing, owners get training? Who will provide the training?
uppityperson
Jan 2012
#165
Enforcement of all dog licensing through veterinarians would be the place to start.
undeterred
Jan 2012
#24
Hell. No. Where do we draw the line?? How is it we call for a free and open society
DFab420
Jan 2012
#39
You want me to need to get a license to buy a 22? What? No, all gun purchases don't need
uppityperson
Jan 2012
#119
I think they should need a license that one would have to take classes to recieve.
Marrah_G
Jan 2012
#63
At a maximum there should be a prohibition on those with bad character from owning or possessing
LiberalFighter
Jan 2012
#67
so large sized dogs should be banned or licensed because they freak you out?
TorchTheWitch
Jan 2012
#160
Why are you so concerned about a relatively small number of deaths per year? n/t
A Simple Game
Jan 2012
#94
Well I was thinking of Bicycles, but your points are all good ones too. n/t
A Simple Game
Jan 2012
#111
So owning a pet is not a right? LOL Next you'll be saying having kids is not a right.
Xicano
Jan 2012
#102
Rights aren't codified but assumed. Your question misunderstands our system
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#110
No. The average owner can handle these dogs, almost always it is the asshole owners
TheKentuckian
Jan 2012
#108
"The people who think they're large did could never hurt a fly scare me." What? I mean, wtf?
uppityperson
Jan 2012
#120
You promote something and you have no clue what it is or how it effects people
baldguy
Jan 2012
#175
San Diego elderly woman just lost 3 limbs to pit bull attacks, then died months later.
Liberty Belle
Jan 2012
#129