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209. It is YOUR burden to prove they were telling the truth. The accused is the one who gets due process!

Sun Jan 13, 2019, 10:56 AM

Jan 2019

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You had three confirmed Trumpanzees, four anonymous (probably Trumpists), and one who claimed he squeezed her waist during a picture in an extrememly crowded room. That goofy nonsense doesn't pass the straight face test. It simply could have been her perception, or he was simply putting his arm around her waist and it is natural for someone to contract their hand a bit when putting an arm around someone's waist for a quick photo in a crowded and busy room at an event. My god. That one was such nonsense. And a few others were also about something like that during photos. It STINKS.

And also, what about the MANY women who worked closely with Franken for YEARS and said he NEVER did ANYTHING inappropriate?What about them? This was a WITCH HUNT and Gillibrand led the charge. It STINKS and she will go nowhere because of it.

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Gillibrand Hires New Aide, Signaling Presidential Run Is Imminent [View all] DonViejo Jan 2019 OP

Al Franken. That is all i need to know. dem4decades Jan 2019 #1

+10000000 Pachamama Jan 2019 #2

+1 leftofcool Jan 2019 #40

+10000000 OnDoutside Jan 2019 #47

She believed a lying birther over Franken wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #50

Plus 7 other women Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #55

Ah it's you again wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #60

Prove your accusation Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #65

You're going to believe a birther? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #69

I'm not going to call 7 women Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #70

Playing the race card, are we? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #74

So because they voted for someone you don't like Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #76

Yep, all those senators were wrong wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #89

They never claimed they were assaulted Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #91

So Franken never actually assaulted them wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #95

No one ever said he did. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #97

So what did he do? Take a photo? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #99

If you don't know what he did Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #111

With an ethics investigation, perhaps? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #135

You really believe that the GOP Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #140

So the only fair thing was to throw Franken out? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #142

Life is unfair sometime. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #149

A GOP controlled hearing wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #157

A GOP controlled hearing would be a circus Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #158

Franken asked for the hearing wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #160

After the first accusation Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #161

Read the thread wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #162

Have Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #164

How haven't the holes been poked? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #166

Because there is no evidence to support Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #167

Nope, you show in detail how his argument doesn't hold up. wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #168

I don't have to refute opinion Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #170

Prove that they are opinions wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #172

They are not? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #173

I've already posted the links wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #174

Go ahead Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #178

And as usual Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #188

Well said. At least we know the new excuse they're resorting to is OnDoutside Jan 2019 #192

And at the same time they demand proof that Franken is innocent wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #193

Then just post the links that Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #194

Funny that.... OnDoutside Jan 2019 #199

i think the Black Death is more popular than she is. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #251

Shouldn't you that be Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #195

Actually no. Shame on them for not thinking straight when Gillibrand showed naked ambition OnDoutside Jan 2019 #198

So they were just all blind followers? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #200

Yes, it doesn't speak well for them. Not playing. Thing is, she is so overwhelmingly unpopular on OnDoutside Jan 2019 #206

So no links Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #215

If I was interested in playing, I would, but you're the one in the overwhelming minority on this OnDoutside Jan 2019 #231

Nothing wrong with being in the minority Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #233

Nothing wrong with it when you are in the right, but you aren't. You're standing up for OnDoutside Jan 2019 #235

That is your opinion Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #237

And I'm standing up against the lack of fairness for Al Franken. So we all can have our opinion. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #238

Never said that what happened to Franken Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #239

Oh, that's nice to hear. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #245

AL FRANKEN was NOT treated fairly at all. Guillibrand treated him with contempt. I can't forgive trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #253

Not treated fairly by over 30 Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #254

Sadly, this is one where the Senators WRONGLY rushed ONLY for political expediency. But, LBM20 Jan 2019 #217

So all the other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #220

You prove they weren't lying / nt bitterross Jan 2019 #81

So women don't deserve to be believed? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #85

Yeah, their claims need to be investigated wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #90

So you are refuting the whole Me Too movement Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #92

Why are you caping for trumpanzees? wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #94

Not all were Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #96

The picture of Franken with the last crazy clearly Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #98

What evidence is there Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #110

She wasn't. She's just a loon. Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #114

What evidence is there that all Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #115

It's been posted here a million times. Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #116

SPOT ON CORRECT! Franken's "accusers" where Trumpists and nutjobs pumped up by right wing media or LBM20 Jan 2019 #212

All those you mention went through an investigative process Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #102

Not at first Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #113

Wrong, they all went through an investigative process Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #117

I'm not misrepresenting anything Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #118

Yes you did Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #132

Never said that what Franken was accused of Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #145

You keep inserting those names into the discussion Bradshaw3 Jan 2019 #152

But they are linked Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #155

Oooooo, now Tweeden is "OBVIOUSLY" a RW hack Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #153

No that was in regard to Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #156

DON'T YOU DARE TWIST MY WORDS THAT WAY! THAT'S NOT AT ALL WHAT I SAID. bitterross Jan 2019 #120

That is the standard for criminal prosecution Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #121

I'm not debating you. You are only interested in scoring points bitterross Jan 2019 #126

So because Tweeden was backed by Roger Stone Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #137

I knew you'd take one statement and run with it. Ignoring the overall message. bitterross Jan 2019 #229

I agree with you about Franken's intent Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #230

It needed to be properly investigated and vetted. Many were LAME and some confirmed TRUMPISTS! What LBM20 Jan 2019 #204

Franken did get screwed Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #211

Yup. It was HYSTERIA and the timing of the thing, and it is an important lesson of history that LBM20 Jan 2019 #223

It is YOUR burden to prove they were telling the truth. The accused is the one who gets due process! LBM20 Jan 2019 #209

I can't Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #218

It was political shit at the height of a hysterical moment in our history. Bottom line, THEY have LBM20 Jan 2019 #224

Sorry but I can't buy Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #225

He wanted a full investigation, unlike any other predator ever. sfwriter Jan 2019 #129

Do you really thing the GOP Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #139

No, it would turn out like Benghazi... sfwriter Jan 2019 #141

Unfortunately, I doubt that would have happened Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #148

AH IT IS YOU AGAIN. I agree with what wellst0nev0ter said about you. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #250

Oh I'm so devastated Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #255

+1 Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #79

So you are a single issue voter? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #57

No two issue voter. Justice and fairness. There's many great Democratic candidates in the running. dem4decades Jan 2019 #73

Like Warren, Harris and Sanders? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #75

She led the charge, others followed. He was denied a fair hearing. We're done. dem4decades Jan 2019 #78

So Warren, Sanders and Harris are just mindless followers? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #83

Done dem4decades Jan 2019 #84

Is that a yes or a no? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #86

Fair enough. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #179

Lots of better candidates out there. sfwriter Jan 2019 #130

I won't argue with that Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #146

+1 NYFlip Jan 2019 #63

+ a million. mn9driver Jan 2019 #107

He took on Rush years ago and Sessions a year ago. dem4decades Jan 2019 #181

+++1000000 nt Doremus Jan 2019 #144

AGREED! DemKittyNC Jan 2019 #154

+1 meatwitheyes Jan 2019 #163

I AGREE. in my mind, she blew it. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #249

She's not my candidate. madaboutharry Jan 2019 #3

No objection if you don't want to support her personally... brooklynite Jan 2019 #11

Look down the thread jcgoldie Jan 2019 #17

I've looked down many of these threads... brooklynite Jan 2019 #18

I disagree jcgoldie Jan 2019 #21

Well said padah513 Jan 2019 #33

Must be why she won re-election with Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #58

She isn't inspiring either. I can't see voters getting excited about her LeftInTX Jan 2019 #169

That is enitrely possible..: brooklynite Jan 2019 #171

And she burned her Clinton bridges in cynical style, won't help her. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #48

Spot on. Any Dem who doesn't get the Clinton's support won't go far... brush Jan 2019 #182

Yes and that was all about the same time. Perhaps it was a OnDoutside Jan 2019 #191

Then again Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #196

At an election where all Dem boats were lifted. Yeah, have fun in the national spotlight. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #203

And her boat Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #208

Hahaha, very funny ! I'm going to bookmark your post for when the primary results come in ! OnDoutside Jan 2019 #213

Never said she would win a primary Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #219

That's a fairly weak crutch to hang on to in deep blue NY. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #232

And she still got a higher Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #234

lol OnDoutside Jan 2019 #236

Ridiculous. Any Democrat would've won in deep blue New York. brush Jan 2019 #210

+1 OnDoutside Jan 2019 #214

True Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #216

No... handmade34 Jan 2019 #4

I like her a lot. Great spokesperson for us. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #5

She's my Senator and I'd gladly like for her to be primaried. nt jrthin Jan 2019 #56

You have 5 years to find a challenger Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #59

Who are you looking to take the mantle? WeekiWater Jan 2019 #62

A solid dem. nt jrthin Jan 2019 #71

Ok. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #72

Let her stay in the Senate as her seat is safe in blue New York. brush Jan 2019 #183

No sale. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2019 #6

More time in senate for this senator would be my recommendation. oasis Jan 2019 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #8

She and over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #61

YEP. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #64

Ugh MoonRiver Jan 2019 #9

I give not a shit. (nt) Paladin Jan 2019 #10

Gillibrand Plans to Announce Indykatie Jan 2019 #41

UGH!!!!! nt jrthin Jan 2019 #12

To paraphrase Waylon Jennings Mr. Quackers Jan 2019 #13

Ugh. No thanks. SCRUBDASHRUB Jan 2019 #14

I do not trust or respect her judgement. I can't support her. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #15

Me, neither EffieBlack Jan 2019 #100

That is exactly how I feel Metatron Jan 2019 #147

Agreed, as a New Yorker I held my nose and voted for her. c-rational Jan 2019 #222

Same here. Her judgment about the Clinton's and Franken R B Garr Jan 2019 #248

lol ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #16

In other news, elderly man brings a dead raccoon into McDonalds. milestogo Jan 2019 #19

. Autumn Jan 2019 #20

+1 dalton99a Jan 2019 #46

This is LBN material! ProudLib72 Jan 2019 #77

Good one!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #227

Nah. Sunsky Jan 2019 #22

She can go pound sand. BlueStater Jan 2019 #23

She and over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #93

She threw Franken under the bus a few times and ran over him again. Forget her! Nt helpisontheway Jan 2019 #24

So did Warren, Sanders and Harris. Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #67

She is my last choice. ooky Jan 2019 #25

She won't last long after what she did to Al Franken. redstatebluegirl Jan 2019 #26

She really shouldn't bother - she isn't going anywhere. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #27

With the help of over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #68

You keep saying that but that doesn't change what she did. brush Jan 2019 #184

So the others were just blind followers? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #187

Post removed Post removed Jan 2019 #28

That is completely uncalled for. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #53

Sorry Blue Owl Jan 2019 #29

After Her Handling of the Franken Matter, Gillibrand Has Much to Overcome dlk Jan 2019 #30

Only if you're living in 1991. BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #32

+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #37

You're fooling yourself if you think that won't come up. brush Jan 2019 #185

Anyone who attempts to deflect with stiff Biden did 28 years ago will be buried with their own LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #186

meh. PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #31

I will not support her in the primaries Vinnie From Indy Jan 2019 #34

Gillibrand is a Democrat Progressive dog Jan 2019 #35

There is a whole lot of territory outside New York. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #36

New York has a lot more votes than some states, Progressive dog Jan 2019 #51

Minnesota has been the most reliable blue state for President in the past 50 years. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #105

President only elections for last fifty years Progressive dog Jan 2019 #122

Hmmm... We were only talking presidential elections. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #124

No, I was talking about a specific election Progressive dog Jan 2019 #125

And that was what kind of an election? LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #128

I migt not vote for Gillibrand in the next primaries Progressive dog Jan 2019 #131

Congratulations. You maybe have made a decision. LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #150

And Hillary got more votes than IQ45 MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #106

Would it have been better if Hillary had gotten fewer votes? Progressive dog Jan 2019 #123

Obviously, it's not "how many" - but "where" MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #127

Of course the election is not being held now Progressive dog Jan 2019 #133

But the comments can contribute MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #134

Russians and Hillary haters gave us Trump by their propaganda Progressive dog Jan 2019 #136

She wouldn't win a Democratic primary in Minnesota let alone the nomination. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #43

That's an opinion and you are entitled to it Progressive dog Jan 2019 #49

Nope PatSeg Jan 2019 #38

We don't need a president Takket Jan 2019 #39

Self delete since everything is being flagged. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #42

Won't get nominated.. LW1977 Jan 2019 #44

Gillibrand is a proven opportunist.... quickesst Jan 2019 #45

all these great women! what if i actually do NOT know who to caucus/vote for in the primary? samnsara Jan 2019 #52

Gillibrand is my LEAST favorite candidate aeromanKC Jan 2019 #54

How about no? Still In Wisconsin Jan 2019 #66

Must be a "down" time.......... MyOwnPeace Jan 2019 #108

Hell no! Mme. Defarge Jan 2019 #80

Nope, sorry. kacekwl Jan 2019 #82

I like seeing so many candidates AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #87

She should save her money. tavernier Jan 2019 #88

Ah, a "Blue Dog." David__77 Jan 2019 #101

No thanks, unless she's the nominee. badhair77 Jan 2019 #103

I will change my registration just to primary her out. dhol82 Jan 2019 #104

I think it will take a woman beat rRump. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #109

Even knowing her missteps, I'll give her a chance aikoaiko Jan 2019 #112

Has KG responded to the criticism of her re the whole Franken affair? InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #180

I read something aikoaiko Jan 2019 #189

Thanks. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #190

No Thanks. jalan48 Jan 2019 #119

Al Franken should run too andym Jan 2019 #138

When that happens customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #143

NEVER!!! NEVER!!! elfin Jan 2019 #151

Nope. No way. No how. shanny Jan 2019 #159

Good luck with that.. flamingdem Jan 2019 #165

After what she did to al Franken, I wouldn't support her for dogcatcher. beachbum bob Jan 2019 #175

Nope! Nope! Nope! democratisphere Jan 2019 #176

Nope, Nien, nyat LW1977 Jan 2019 #177

No one will be stopping her if she decides to run, of course DFW Jan 2019 #197

She's a perfectly fine candidate... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #201

She led a witch hunt against Al Franken. It was totally SHITTY and she won't gain traction. LBM20 Jan 2019 #205

If she's everybody's eighth choice, as she is mine, you have nothing to worry about. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #207

Well said nt Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #240

I don't see the need to trash her. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #241

Unfortunately Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #242

I will leave it to the verdict of history. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2019 #244

It won't go anywhere. She led a disgusting witch hunt against Franken and people will remember. LBM20 Jan 2019 #202

I don't like her because of her treatment of Al Franken. Bluepinky Jan 2019 #221

Really? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #243

Okay, glad to hear this, but I still think she was wrong to pick on Al Franken. Bluepinky Jan 2019 #246

She and over 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #247

That wasn't her judgement to make. He asked for an investigation Bluepinky Jan 2019 #256

She and over 30 others Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #257

I guess we'll never know how the investigation would have gone, since he wasn't allowed one. Bluepinky Jan 2019 #258

An ethics committee investigation is Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #259

I will not support her in the primaries 47of74 Jan 2019 #226

Wasting her time and money Bayard Jan 2019 #228

NOOO! Just Stoppit. Just Stoppit. No More Posts about KG. elfin Jan 2019 #252

Well it did get 4 recs lol grantcart Jan 2019 #260