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44. The U.S. Department of Justice Report on Alcohol and Crime found

Wed Jan 4, 2012, 11:55 AM

Jan 2012

that alcohol abuse was a factor in 40 percent of violent crimes committed in the U.S..
http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/costs/a/aa980415.htm

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Should meth be legal? [View all] Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 OP

If pot were legal, fewer would choose meth. n/t Scuba Jan 2012 #1

Is that really an A or B equation? nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #7

Please see my post #14. Scuba Jan 2012 #15

No way. 2 completely different substances. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #8

Please see my post #14. Scuba Jan 2012 #16

I agree. In the past, I have done both. Totally different substances. RebelOne Jan 2012 #105

I'm all for decriminalizing pot but I can't quite make that connection Nuclear Unicorn Jan 2012 #10

I think it falls under the heading of "what's available". In some cases, the user .... Scuba Jan 2012 #14

OK I understand this. I am one of those people. MJ is my anti-drug. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #22

I agree with your hypothesis, Scuba. Uncle Joe Jan 2012 #69

The thing is though, 'decriminalized' and 'legalized' mean different things. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #40

That's why I used "legal". Scuba Jan 2012 #48

I think we need to frame it differently, then Occulus Jan 2012 #50

My premise assumed availability, which means "legal". You're correct about .... Scuba Jan 2012 #85

I have been told by meth users 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #35

"It is a killer," but tapwater can be just as deadly. Occulus Jan 2012 #47

what?! ceile Jan 2012 #65

I guess you could say 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #97

I support legalizing everything. But I think you're obfuscating here RZM Jan 2012 #108

And you believe someone who's on meth? randome Jan 2012 #58

That's the *other* thing we need to fix. Occulus Jan 2012 #63

I understand where you're coming from. randome Jan 2012 #64

And that's the THIRD thing we need to address. Occulus Jan 2012 #73

I guess I should have said ex meth users 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #98

Meth is already legal. Schedule II drug (like most amphetamines). Liberal Veteran Jan 2012 #2

Shocked the crap out of me when I found that out. Occulus Jan 2012 #26

Dosage is everything. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #56

Dosage and who gets the profits.. russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #83

Meth scares me Aerows Jan 2012 #3

I think it may actually have a lot to do with cannabis prohibition, to be honest. Occulus Jan 2012 #49

I'm sure most users give intense philosophical consideration to their drug of choice. randome Jan 2012 #59

I thought we were talking about *new* users of 'hard' drugs, Occulus Jan 2012 #66

I'm no statistical expert. randome Jan 2012 #68

That last only underscores what I'm saying. Occulus Jan 2012 #76

I think thrill-seeking plays a much bigger role than you acknowledge here. Withywindle Jan 2012 #101

The pot high and the meth high are totally different highs jmowreader Jan 2012 #127

Personally Aerows Jan 2012 #78

Yes, but only if the meth were premade in a sealed off factory bigwillq Jan 2012 #4

The reason for that is that you can control for purity levels that way Occulus Jan 2012 #28

Good post. bigwillq Jan 2012 #67

Yep patricia92243 Jan 2012 #32

I'm with you. In fact, I might be willing to hedgehog Jan 2012 #74

No. FarLeftFist Jan 2012 #5

"Trick" question in the OP. Occulus Jan 2012 #30

really it does make it difficult. 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #37

Add the fact that some people have been getting cannabis FROM THE GOVERNMENT for many years running Occulus Jan 2012 #52

Medical pot is a no brainer Aerows Jan 2012 #80

Forfeiture laws are relatively recent. randome Jan 2012 #81

Actually Aerows Jan 2012 #84

They had a hand in making it illegal, yes. randome Jan 2012 #89

I don't use marijuana Aerows Jan 2012 #94

Racism was a huge factor too. Withywindle Jan 2012 #103

That's an important point, too Aerows Jan 2012 #106

any opinion formed about not trusting pot 2pooped2pop Jan 2012 #102

It happens to look a lot like hemp a simple pattern Jan 2012 #91

Addiction needs to beseen as a medical issue and users should not be subject to prosecution randr Jan 2012 #6

Just imagine what the Meth Dungeon on DU would look like if Meth were legal. n/t Ian David Jan 2012 #9

No...n/t orwell Jan 2012 #11

People commit horrible crimes under the influence of alcohol, too.. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #12

I have not seen any crimes committed while using alcohol that compare to the article I cited. Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #19

The U.S. Department of Justice Report on Alcohol and Crime found Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #44

Neither is it an argument to bring more horrible crimes into the mix. randome Jan 2012 #82

Your comment ignores the history of prohibition. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #93

Yes, prohibition is an utter failure and a crutch for the security state. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #13

MJ is natural, Meth is not LynneSin Jan 2012 #17

That's a better argument. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #77

Not only no - but HELL NO negativenihil Jan 2012 #18

Seems like a sensible policy. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #21

It's only made in a "bathtub gin" way because of its prohibition. Occulus Jan 2012 #36

. negativenihil Jan 2012 #54

In reverse order: Occulus Jan 2012 #71

wait a second negativenihil Jan 2012 #90

Eh, plenty of alcohol is "tweaked" by man.. Fumesucker Jan 2012 #119

It's too destructive to legalize Yo_Mama Jan 2012 #20

True, but how much of that truth is related to dosage quality and purity? Occulus Jan 2012 #43

Meth is a class all of it's own Marrah_G Jan 2012 #23

Legal,no. Decriminalized,yes. w8liftinglady Jan 2012 #24

this is the course other countries have done Johonny Jan 2012 #135

Not a chance sharp_stick Jan 2012 #25

All drugs should be decriminalized. roody Jan 2012 #27

In a word, NO madokie Jan 2012 #29

It already is, in Coca Cola bottles L. Coyote Jan 2012 #31

Tweakers.... tjwash Jan 2012 #33

That has to be the funniest fucking thing I've watched in YEARS ROFL snooper2 Jan 2012 #42

Wow RZM Jan 2012 #110

It's already legal. Any physician can write a prescription for it. MineralMan Jan 2012 #34

I want more people to know this. Occulus Jan 2012 #39

Yes. Well, not that many people are aware of that, MineralMan Jan 2012 #41

Undoubtably. Occulus Jan 2012 #46

But not in the dosages that most people would want. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #55

Perhaps under supervision, in an environment like a methadone clinic. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #38

'Manage their addictions'? randome Jan 2012 #60

Take a look at Europe - they do this, and it works! backscatter712 Jan 2012 #70

I agree getting them rehabbed is better than throwing addicts in jail. randome Jan 2012 #72

You can lead a horse to water... backscatter712 Jan 2012 #75

Also, injection clinics allow addicts to be supervised when shooting up. backscatter712 Jan 2012 #112

Right now, 'meth' is more legal than Marijuana, do you agree with that status? Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #45

Yes. Then the pharmaceutical grade would be circulating and people wouldn't be fucking up cooks JVS Jan 2012 #51

No... one_voice Jan 2012 #53

No. WilliamPitt Jan 2012 #57

legal or not, prosecution has utterly failed as a means of controlling it's use and distribution.... mike_c Jan 2012 #61

Was the crime cited in the OP committed someplace Meth is legal? cthulu2016 Jan 2012 #62

Good point. Meth is still illegal, and its prohibition did nothing to stop him from killing. Taverner Jan 2012 #88

Yes. Making it criminal just makes it a profit center. nt bemildred Jan 2012 #79

Yes, it should be. Having it illegal did not stop him from killing. Taverner Jan 2012 #86

No. MJ should be legal and all other drugs should be decriminalized like Portugal has done. FedUpWithIt All Jan 2012 #87

Meth was legal for 25 years or so and there wasn't a huge problem. Warren Stupidity Jan 2012 #92

Yes - I think all drugs should be legal slay Jan 2012 #95

Disappointing Johnny2X2X Jan 2012 #96

yes! nt wildbilln864 Jan 2012 #99

No. ellisonz Jan 2012 #100

I think it should be made un or less necessary loyalsister Jan 2012 #104

i used to be pro-legalization of everything arely staircase Jan 2012 #107

It should remain illegal to make meth Orangepeel Jan 2012 #109

Ultimately, yes RZM Jan 2012 #111

NO Tikki Jan 2012 #113

Only for republicans. donheld Jan 2012 #114

No. It tends to destroy people - quickly and permanently bhikkhu Jan 2012 #115

Fuck No!!!!!!! the things it does to the bodies of the users, the paranoia and Ecumenist Jan 2012 #116

Yes, with support systems, sitters and dispenseries. And it should be free. joshcryer Jan 2012 #117

you are being sarcastic, right? nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #120

Nope. joshcryer Jan 2012 #121

You think all drugs should be "legalized" and just handed out? arely staircase Jan 2012 #122

The negative impacts of meth are largely attributed to well-being. joshcryer Jan 2012 #123

agreed - that the impacts of anything, drug or not, are "largely attributed to well-being" arely staircase Jan 2012 #124

Your ancedotal experience is in a society without any drug-aware safety net. joshcryer Jan 2012 #125

ok i think i got ya, i would certainly want some kind of "dispensar(y) and shit house" if we were to arely staircase Jan 2012 #128

As someone pointed out up thread, meth-like drugs are already available. joshcryer Jan 2012 #130

Seems like you'd need dosage limits in such facilities. nt Snake Alchemist Jan 2012 #132

*nod* I didn't say I wasn't for no regulations. joshcryer Jan 2012 #133

i'm for that. nt arely staircase Jan 2012 #137

pardon me, "sit" houses, got it. arely staircase Jan 2012 #134

NO rollin74 Jan 2012 #118

Absolutely not. AngryOldDem Jan 2012 #126

FUCK. NO. Anyone who thinks otherwise has never been exposed to hardcore Tweakers. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #129

Four out of five dentists say yes. nt cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #131

Yup. Iggo Jan 2012 #136