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DRoseDARs

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195. To be clear, I voted for him in the primary and Clinton in the general. I don't want either in '20.

Wed Jan 16, 2019, 08:09 PM

Jan 2019

Like Clinton, he's a lightning rod for division on the left. There will never be parity or peace or meaningful rational discourse. We need to stop the bickering and in-fighting. Neither candidate won, and neither would have won given Russia's involvement. Trump was *always* going to win. To be a fly on the wall in the windowless rooms of the US and allied Intelligence Community when they realized what was happening... and realized they couldn't stop it. I mean, there *were* ways of stopping it, but catch-22 would the cure be worse than the disease? This is the dark world of international and domestic spycraft we're talking about, and it doesn't jive well with common understanding of law or exposure to scrutiny in daylight. All they could reasonably do was say, "Uh, Mr. President? We have some, er... concerns about candidate Trump and Russia..."

Anyway, Bernie's time has passed and Hillary deserves a break from decades of abuse. The visceral hatred directed at both is astounding.

Although it's very early in the 2020 Presidential Goat Race, I'm starting as Team Kamala.

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but, but, but... FrankBooth Jan 2019 #1

That famous contradiction between claims and behaviors/outcomes. Hortensis Jan 2019 #101

If he does not see the dire emergency of shutting down the MaryMagdaline Jan 2019 #197

More buts. Blue_true Jan 2019 #136

Yes... Now that you mention it. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #139

Good gawd..... we can do it Jan 2019 #2

So where is he? shanny Jan 2019 #3

I'm not a bernie guy Kurt V. Jan 2019 #4

This was a super critical vote for our national security and he couldn't be bothered. lark Jan 2019 #6

i agree with everything you say. and stand by what i say Kurt V. Jan 2019 #11

I'm pretty sure he is in DC. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #14

Others were questioning Wheeler as well.... but they managed to vote. scheming daemons Jan 2019 #15

Bingo. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #19

Here: Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #124

I knew it was somewhere! NT WeekiWater Jan 2019 #173

Oh, yes. That meeting. ehrnst Jan 2019 #190

To be fair, judging from his voting record, we could predict what it would be... ehrnst Jan 2019 #251

Yes. He was at that hearing with other Democratic Senators and republican Senators.... George II Jan 2019 #32

He ALWAYS has time for a press conference NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #37

Committees recess when a vote is called so the members can go vote EffieBlack Jan 2019 #21

I'm trying hard here. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #26

Gotcha EffieBlack Jan 2019 #28

+1 uponit7771 Jan 2019 #51

It is not that Russia liked him a lot Perseus Jan 2019 #61

Perhaps you missed this: ehrnst Jan 2019 #87

Ahh, facts, love those. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #112

Thanks. roody Jan 2019 #41

The supposition is bad enough !!! uponit7771 Jan 2019 #50

I'm sure he was too busy saving the....universwe awesomerwb1 Jan 2019 #5

This is a joke right? rogue emissary Jan 2019 #7

No.... Bernie missing the vote is NOT a joke scheming daemons Jan 2019 #8

did it change the outcome? shanny Jan 2019 #182

Is that the excuse for missing a vote now? ehrnst Jan 2019 #185

I don't particularly like Bernie Sanders but this surprises me YessirAtsaFact Jan 2019 #39

Same here, rogue emissary Jan 2019 #60

Yes that was a very important vote Gothmog Jan 2019 #130

So it failed by one vote, huh? N/t TCJ70 Jan 2019 #164

You mean like the Iraq War Resolution? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #186

Hmmm...that's weird. TCJ70 Jan 2019 #191

Oh, so he is "too busy" because he's "priortizing assault victims" now. ehrnst Jan 2019 #192

Outstanding rebuttal. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #203

I expect crickets, because that's ehrnst Jan 2019 #204

Crickets? Most likely. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #211

I don't know how they would have felt if he left... TCJ70 Jan 2019 #207

He dropped by the all day meeting for 1hr. And if he was worried about "how they felt" ehrnst Jan 2019 #220

Prioritizing assault victim two years later? sheshe2 Jan 2019 #206

Couldn't BS have met with the campaign assault victims at some other time? lapucelle Jan 2019 #230

Lets play that out... TCJ70 Jan 2019 #233

"This is a silly thing to be upset about"... lapucelle Jan 2019 #240

BS had time to do both if he wanted to.. Cha Jan 2019 #235

The meetings "stretched for a full day" and BS met his campaign's victims for one hour, lapucelle Jan 2019 #243

Yes, so he had no excuse not Cha Jan 2019 #244

Now that we know votes aren't important, glad we won't be hearing about anyone's Iraq vote again! betsuni Jan 2019 #210

Indeed - because one more Dem vote against it would have "made no difference." ehrnst Jan 2019 #213

Those who did bother to vote were Cha Jan 2019 #234

It may well be he was at the meeting being held to confront issues from his 2016 campaign Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #9

His #1 responsibility is to vote... especially on national security matters like this. scheming daemons Jan 2019 #12

The twisting to make excuses for him pisses me off. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #114

This meeting? Where people were flown in from around the nation? ehrnst Jan 2019 #25

The meeting began after the Senate vote. He still found time to hold a press conference at 2 PM. George II Jan 2019 #35

Disappointing, but not surprising. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #69

Reporters said that he entered the meeting shortly before 1:00 PM, the vote was taking place.... George II Jan 2019 #127

Considering the previous votes on Russian sanctions, others are wondering aloud... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #132

This message was self-deleted by its author ehrnst Jan 2019 #196

Seems like it. So, let me review a few things: George II Jan 2019 #222

He makes time, however to take his family to Rome. ehrnst Jan 2019 #250

That kind of meeting can be scheduled at any time. This vote was critical. yardwork Jan 2019 #44

One extra vote would have put us at 58. Might have helped to sway two more votes. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #76

And apparently the meeting started after the vote, despite what the spokesperson said. ehrnst Jan 2019 #199

Give it up, nothing will ever appease them until his death. DRoseDARs Jan 2019 #57

So much woe BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #63

No. He could have taken the 15 minutes to vote dbackjon Jan 2019 #77

+1. dalton99a Jan 2019 #232

"them"? George II Jan 2019 #80

Seems as if NO INFORMATION will matter, NONE. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #116

What part of "All Hands On Deck" was misunderstood? How hard can it be? NurseJackie Jan 2019 #83

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To be clear, I voted for him in the primary and Clinton in the general. I don't want either in '20. DRoseDARs Jan 2019 #195

Clearly any mention of inconsistencies or not measuring up to the standards that he and his ehrnst Jan 2019 #202

Mark this as the day the GOP openly sided with Russian interests over America's RAB910 Jan 2019 #10

The GOP + Bernie Sanders. scheming daemons Jan 2019 #13

Exactly! rogue emissary Jan 2019 #22

traitors. they want the USA to be nice to russia. trueblue2007 Jan 2019 #24

Yep. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #84

That is a fact per the record. Not per me, per the record. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #119

His vote wouldn't have made the difference and he was meeting with the CentralMass Jan 2019 #16

A) His vote is a statement on where he stands B) He could take 5 minutes away from meeting to vote scheming daemons Jan 2019 #17

Considering someone's voting history on Russian sanctions... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #111

From what I read up thread the meeting happened after the vote. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #208

Yes, I heard about that meeting. ehrnst Jan 2019 #18

Missing a vote because he was handling a problem with his campaign is NOT acceptable EffieBlack Jan 2019 #23

It wouldn't be acceptable for any Democrat to miss that vote, especially any who are planning a 2020 ehrnst Jan 2019 #29

Bernie is not a Democrat. LuvLoogie Jan 2019 #52

Gillibrand made it to vote, even with a POTUS campaign event in upstate NY today.(nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #64

I would bet MY LIFE on what you just said. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #120

I supported him in the primary. Scruffy1 Jan 2019 #36

Yes all the other Democratic Senator and Senator King were able to vote. There is no excuse.... George II Jan 2019 #38

Two reasons ONLY to miss this - Two, not three, not one, not four ... ---2 Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #134

How did he know this?! uponit7771 Jan 2019 #48

It was a tight vote, undecided until the last minute and it failed by only two (plus his) votes. George II Jan 2019 #95

this is his second time AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #20

Gotta be patient. It takes time to fight the oligarchs dalton99a Jan 2019 #27

That's a pattern. yardwork Jan 2019 #47

Did Bernie take some Russian money from the NRA? FakeNoose Jan 2019 #30

+1, this is it ... I wouldn't be shocked or surprised if he did and didn't know it and now doesn't uponit7771 Jan 2019 #45

Bernie's tax returns might answer that question. Wait. yardwork Jan 2019 #49

Yeah, wait is right. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #122

He might not work for Trump, but he does help him. PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #31

On MSNBC they said it was Gillibrand who missed the vote saljr1 Jan 2019 #33

She missed yesterday's vote FrankBooth Jan 2019 #34

Sorry lol just woke up and didn't no they voted today saljr1 Jan 2019 #43

Yes, she missed the vote on a motion to proceed, which required a simple majority.... George II Jan 2019 #40

WOW !! Didn't Sanders vote against implementing sanctions at one time !?!? uponit7771 Jan 2019 #42

Yes... George II Jan 2019 #54

Jus wow ... seems like everyone against HRC in 16 was working for the Russians in some way. 3 Times uponit7771 Jan 2019 #56

I wonder how he would have voted. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #143

Thank you for posting the history on this because . . . peggysue2 Jan 2019 #189

More than one time, I believe. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #140

K&R murielm99 Jan 2019 #46

It WAS Sanders who did not vote ... see link below MFGsunny Jan 2019 #53

K & R for exposure. SunSeeker Jan 2019 #55

Hyperbolize there much? Magoo48 Jan 2019 #58

Can you list those accomplishments? ehrnst Jan 2019 #78

I'd like to see that list mcar Jan 2019 #161

Gosh...I feel the same way about DEMOCRATS. Especially the lady who won. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #107

Now you are being too controversial, how DARE You show support for Hillary Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #141

Heh heh. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #150

Because one appreciates the contributions of Bernie Sanders, Magoo48 Jan 2019 #242

That's wonderful. Magoo48 Jan 2019 #241

Could you list the laws enacted that he authored other than Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #125

Not familiar with that list. Can you share?(nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #187

I have no lists Mr. ehrnst. Magoo48 Jan 2019 #245

He has stances on progressive ideas and greed, & that is "doing things for" progressive causes. ehrnst Jan 2019 #248

K&R betsuni Jan 2019 #59

Get off his case pdsimdars Jan 2019 #62

Gillibrand made it to the vote, even with a campaign event in upstate NY today. ehrnst Jan 2019 #70

His vote mattered because of what it means scheming daemons Jan 2019 #89

This is why the left LOSES, because they can't resist attacking each other. Duh! pdsimdars Jan 2019 #135

You mean like Bernie and his "revolution" attacking the Democratic Party every opportunity they get? MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #212

The vote that she missed was a motion to proceed, which advanced the bill to today's.... George II Jan 2019 #147

Good try but fail uponit7771 Jan 2019 #172

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Same old ax X 4. Magoo48 Jan 2019 #72

My concern is 2020. What will happen when the relentless attack of WHOEVER Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #146

Hopefully fight back? BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #201

Not a big deal. He is a busy guy. Joe941 Jan 2019 #66

It is a big deal if it addresses concerns of your supposed constituents. The question is who are his PSPS Jan 2019 #79

Good question. Vermont newspaper editorial boards have also inquired on that subject. ehrnst Jan 2019 #155

Oh bullshit. They were two votes away from passing. dbackjon Jan 2019 #82

This message was self-deleted by its author Joe941 Jan 2019 #129

Ummm, they were already AT a 2 or 3 vote threshold. 11 Bravo Jan 2019 #165

If it was certain to pass, sometimes Senators don't make emergency trips to vote Tarc Jan 2019 #67

Voting records are now "pettiness?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #74

That's not true. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #96

I think votes are pretty much guaranteed Tarc Jan 2019 #198

Considering his previous votes against Russian sanctions... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #200

BS could have been there for the "Symbolic Rebuke" Cha Jan 2019 #236

Why do we have to fight amongst ourselves? tiredtoo Jan 2019 #68

How does pointing out voting records weaken us against Trump and Russia?(nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #73

How does fighting amongst ourselves help us against anyone? (nt) tiredtoo Jan 2019 #75

You equate pointing out actual votes with "fighting amongst ourselves?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #81

Really, why do you suppose the op was posted? tiredtoo Jan 2019 #88

What "reason" is that? ehrnst Jan 2019 #94

You know the reason. tiredtoo Jan 2019 #102

So that's supposed to excuse any absence of a Senator on a vote? "All of them have missed votes?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #113

I cant believe the exchange I just read. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #148

The reason being saying that they were busy in a meeting that didn't start until after the vote? ehrnst Jan 2019 #205

Bernie isn't part of "ourselves". scheming daemons Jan 2019 #91

Divide and conquer best republican plan ever. tiredtoo Jan 2019 #108

"He caucus's with the Democrats in the Senate". scheming daemons Jan 2019 #110

It's reasonable to look at someone's voting history with regard to Russian sanctions... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #138

Especially when it was discovered that Russia was promoting him as a candidate? ehrnst Jan 2019 #149

What "worked so well last time?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #115

Alienating the Bernie supportors (NT) tiredtoo Jan 2019 #118

Pointing out his voting record is "alienating Bernie supporters?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #121

Why was it pointed out? tiredtoo Jan 2019 #123

Because that's what Senators are supposed to do? ehrnst Jan 2019 #128

I have already told you all politicians miss votes occasionally tiredtoo Jan 2019 #133

So Sander's missing a vote to rebuke Russia when he was mere minutes away ehrnst Jan 2019 #142

I wonder what his vote would have been. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #152

It's entirely possible for him to announce that. Nothing is stopping him. ehrnst Jan 2019 #229

Gillibrand pulled the rug out from under Al Franken tiredtoo Jan 2019 #153

Ooh, nice pivot. ehrnst Jan 2019 #156

you brought up gillibrand not me. tiredtoo Jan 2019 #158

Desperate attempt to deflect #2! ehrnst Jan 2019 #160

I have no problem with anyone scrutinizing someone's voting record. tiredtoo Jan 2019 #166

We know all their records: all of the Democrats voted no - along with some GOP. ehrnst Jan 2019 #226

Whataboutism mcar Jan 2019 #167

And now we're deflecting to Al Franken! ehrnst Jan 2019 #170

I give up, you carry on bashing Democrats. I will continue my efforts at bashing republicans. (EOM) tiredtoo Jan 2019 #176

You brought up #metoo and then run away when it's brought up concerning your ehrnst Jan 2019 #177

But since you brought up Franken, here's Sen Sanders' own statement on Franken: ehrnst Jan 2019 #178

Bernie: "The right thing is for him to resign". I wonder if you'll get a response? n/t Tarheel_Dem Jan 2019 #223

I know, it's no fair... ehrnst Jan 2019 #225

Bernie isn't a Democrat nt dansolo Jan 2019 #246

Like BS when he "alienates" Cha Jan 2019 #237

Well, that's easy to do. Quote him or mention his voting record. betsuni Jan 2019 #238

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Yeah, I get it. Every single opportunity to drag Bernie through the mud mac56 Jan 2019 #98

Pointing out voting records is "dragging through the mud?" ehrnst Jan 2019 #117

And yet example after example of real problems with the guy and the same people Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #151

Do you post the voting record of each and every Senator and Representative? mac56 Jan 2019 #157

What relevance does that have to this vote? ehrnst Jan 2019 #162

So..... no. mac56 Jan 2019 #163

Avoiding answering? ehrnst Jan 2019 #168

No need for me to answer. mac56 Jan 2019 #175

Well, that's certainly not avoiding answering, is it? ehrnst Jan 2019 #183

Any Dem that didn't vote yes on this would have been a target dbackjon Jan 2019 #209

Nope... I am against ANY Senator that votes to help Russian Oligarchs (or doesn't vote to stop them) scheming daemons Jan 2019 #92

Hell no, Taking action or no action to help Russian oligarchs by any means is screwed up uponit7771 Jan 2019 #218

I'm mad seta1950 Jan 2019 #86

Yes she did. There were 99 votes... and one absentee, Bernie. scheming daemons Jan 2019 #93

She voted today. What are you talking about? (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #100

Um, yup..Gillibrand vote..to continue sanctions... asiliveandbreathe Jan 2019 #109

Thank you for that, asiliveandbreathe! Cha Jan 2019 #239

Care to delete or correct your post onenote Jan 2019 #169

This is false, Gillibrand did vote uponit7771 Jan 2019 #181

She did. Why are you saying that she didn't?(nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #188

Wrong! I hope you'll be big enough to apologize to Sen. Gillibrand, but I won't hold my breath. Tarheel_Dem Jan 2019 #224

Where was he? There must be a reason he didn't vote. Vinca Jan 2019 #90

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Prove it. TSheehan Jan 2019 #216

His spokesperson said it was because he was meeting with the victims of his campaign ehrnst Jan 2019 #99

Much can be revealed by looking at one's previous voting record on Russian sanctions. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #104

+1000 Agree. It isn't just this one vote. There is a pattern. skylucy Jan 2019 #145

To Paraphrase: When Someone Shows You Who They Are, Believe Them dlk Jan 2019 #103

Looking at the previous voting record on Russian sanctions was a big clue too. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #106

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #144

Is Bern dog being fussy? Awwwwww. Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #105

I would like to know also Gothmog Jan 2019 #126

Bernie Deripaska. sarcasmo Jan 2019 #131

@SenGillibrand changed her campaign kickoff schedule to return to DC for a cloture vote Gothmog Jan 2019 #137

We CANT make another mistake, we do NOT have that luxury. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #154

We need the names of the Russian sympathizers and traitors to America. democratisphere Jan 2019 #159

What effect did Bernie's non vote The Wizard Jan 2019 #171

Maybe he was "busy making the case" . . . . like he was when his female staffers needed his help. Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #174

The repugs just voted today to make sure russian spies still get paid JAD Jan 2019 #179

Was he the only Senator that didnt vote?? honest.abe Jan 2019 #184

Louise Mensch was right!!11! progressoid Jan 2019 #193

Why do some replies to this thread sound like trumpers?!? You know, Nevermypresident Jan 2019 #194

"Trumpers?" Because someone pointed out some interesting patterns in the voting of ehrnst Jan 2019 #228

You misunderstood my post. I said "why do some REPLIES to this Nevermypresident Jan 2019 #231

Mea Culpa. Thanks for the clarification! ehrnst Jan 2019 #249

This message was self-deleted by its author TSheehan Jan 2019 #214

"Who is Bernie working for?" Not the oligarchs, regardless of which party they donate to. TSheehan Jan 2019 #215

Then why did he take positive actions towards them and their money so many times? tia uponit7771 Jan 2019 #219

from my posting history you can read I Am not a Sanders fan. JHan Jan 2019 #217

...... Hotler Jan 2019 #221

K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #227

He needs to explain this and his other pro Russia / NRA votes ecstatic Jan 2019 #247

Who is Bernie working for??? disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #252

This message was self-deleted by its author dsharp88 Jan 2019 #253