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madaboutharry

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77. On the Franken matter

Thu Jan 17, 2019, 06:40 AM

Jan 2019

Gillibrand has spoken of how she was sexually harassed, I seem to recall that it may have even been an assault, by her commanding officer when she was in the military. I think she was unable to separate her emotional reaction to what was going on with the "me too" movement and the facts surrounding Al Franken. She put her own feelings ahead of process.

The fact is that she stepped up to the microphone in front of the cameras and the news media and said that she didn't care about nuance and demanded Franken resign. I think that in itself was not presidential. A president needs the quality of being able to step back and dispassionately evaluate circumstances without projecting their own personal experiences into the situation. Gillibrand doesn't possess that quality.

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If Gillibrand is automatically disqualified because she called on Franken to resign... [View all] NYC Liberal Jan 2019 OP

No cilla4progress Jan 2019 #1

Amy knew Al's integrity.... ProudMNDemocrat Jan 2019 #17

She's right up there cilla4progress Jan 2019 #24

Me too! ananda Jan 2019 #48

Just Coming Charlotte Little Jan 2019 #178

Care to guess how many of these people will still be around in, say 12 years? randr Jan 2019 #2

Gillibrand was the first to call for Franken's resignation... PoliticAverse Jan 2019 #3

Schumer was. He told Franken to resign before anyone else did. NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #7

And I'm not voting for Schumer in the primary either. N/T Glamrock Jan 2019 #89

Source? It was fairly evident (if not entirely accurate) that Gillibrand was first and led the KPN Jan 2019 #129

Franken was weathering the storm. It had died down even. Then Gillibrand threw him under the bus Doremus Jan 2019 #146

By minutes in many cases Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #9

Coordinated like certain posters on this thread ? OnDoutside Jan 2019 #55

How so? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #68

Wow, if she can lead other smart people by the nose, make her President of sixteen years NOW! Blue_true Jan 2019 #182

Which one of senators on that list led the charge to oust Franken? oasis Jan 2019 #4

Schumer did. NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #8

KG will be remembered as the senator most responsible. That's life. oasis Jan 2019 #12

Misogyny more than "life", perhaps..Easier to blame "the uppity woman" whathehell Jan 2019 #31

No question KG led the charge. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #64

Schumer Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #10

KG gets the lion's share of the blame. Maybe her fault for oasis Jan 2019 #18

Why? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #19

She also didn't help herself when she strolled down Memory Lane oasis Jan 2019 #21

She was asked a question Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #23

KG has many good qualities but she seems to lack the oasis Jan 2019 #26

She was in the forefront and also attacked Bill. lark Jan 2019 #102

At least you are consistent Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #108

I don't think he's too old. lark Jan 2019 #110

I would too Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #112

You think? nt Blue_true Jan 2019 #185

Last night on Rachel JNelson6563 Jan 2019 #82

IMO, Rachel's interview was a big plus for KG. oasis Jan 2019 #101

She is reminding me of John Glen in 84 Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #126

That's how she's always struck me. JNelson6563 Jan 2019 #165

Oh, my gawd, she is convincing. We can't have a President like that. Blue_true Jan 2019 #184

Don't worry. oasis Jan 2019 #188

Well, that's certainly an argument in her favor... LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #120

Never said that it was. nt Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #159

Yeah, right... LakeSuperiorView Jan 2019 #162

I didn't Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #166

She lead the charge Lotusflower70 Jan 2019 #5

Yet Harris called for Franken to resign Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #14

Maybe people are uncomfortable about her former hawkish position on immigration or her former emulatorloo Jan 2019 #6

Or her promise to serve her full term as a senator More_Cowbell Jan 2019 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo Jan 2019 #13

We've got many great candidates to choose from emulatorloo Jan 2019 #16

That's not what they're saying. They're saying it is her statement on Franken NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #22

If customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #15

If they were that politically naive then it's doubtful any of them would beat Trump Cetacea Jan 2019 #20

She's not "automatically disqualified" by any means EffieBlack Jan 2019 #25

Perfectly put. DFW Jan 2019 #75

Thanks for reminding. Don't forget Kamala Harris or Warren Or my biggest disappointmet Booker. LakeArenal Jan 2019 #27

and who will be the first to say "I was wrong" and ask him to run again ? dweller Jan 2019 #28

Gillibrand led the charge ... NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #29

This. X 1000. OnDoutside Jan 2019 #33

Try not to confuse "opinion" with fact...You don't know what her whathehell Jan 2019 #34

Sometimes ... NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #38

Sometimes... whathehell Jan 2019 #41

Whatever. NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #44

So whathehell Jan 2019 #53

If you're going to quote me .. NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #56

Lol..Is that because of the substantive difference? whathehell Jan 2019 #58

Yes, it was a substantive difference. NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #59

It's called an "oversight".. whathehell Jan 2019 #62

Yeah, an oversight. NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #63

Yeah, imagine that. whathehell Jan 2019 #66

You might wanna re-read that because you missed the point. brush Jan 2019 #111

Lol..No, I'd suggest you re-read it whathehell Jan 2019 #196

How are they obvious ? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #50

If you choose to believe ... NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #54

It is not a matter of belief Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #65

Learn A New Song ProfessorGAC Jan 2019 #79

Any suggestions? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #81

Oh, Just Anything ProfessorGAC Jan 2019 #85

Stale to some Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #93

Refreshing to None ProfessorGAC Jan 2019 #163

No refreshing to those Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #167

+1. She also made a big mistake: dalton99a Jan 2019 #35

The "whataboutism" will indeed change no one's mind. DFW Jan 2019 #49

It isn't whataboutism; it's pointing out inconsistency. NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #61

There are many "whataboutismists" who would disagree... just read any Bernie thread. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #69

Though I consider Gillibrand to be a weak and uninspiring candidate in her own right DFW Jan 2019 #70

Totally ok with that. Gillibrand isn't my first choice either. NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #71

Some appear to see her enthusiasm in going after Al as a little too opportunistic DFW Jan 2019 #74

Not quite. Gillibrand's bad judgment in not recognizing the repug hit job led by Stone... brush Jan 2019 #116

She chose to tout herself as the lead singer ... NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #72

Sorry, but she did not "lead the charge." The response by the Democratic Senators NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #67

She is perceived as "the ringleader". NanceGreggs Jan 2019 #73

She embraces her role as the ringleader wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #186

You can't rewrite history. She was issuing statements and making media appearances... brush Jan 2019 #122

I do not trust or respect her judgement. I can't support her. Ever. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #97

Sounds like we found a leader Renew Deal Jan 2019 #103

You don't know what she was thinking. athena Jan 2019 #140

... BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #150

+1 workinclasszero Jan 2019 #195

She is disqualified because she fell for Roger Stone's sucker bait, and took those senators with her Baltimike Jan 2019 #30

So all 7 women Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #51

Only 2 identified themselves Butterflylady Jan 2019 #105

Why shouldn't they stay anonymous? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #107

Can you prove they weren't? Baltimike Jan 2019 #113

No I can't Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #118

Exactly. And when you see Roger Stone, make it a point to KNOW BETTER Baltimike Jan 2019 #121

Is there any proof that all 7 other women Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #124

You know, if *ONLY* we had hearings on the matter...oh wait...KG made Baltimike Jan 2019 #114

So you really think the Republicans on the Ethics Committee Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #117

*Nope*. I think Gilibrand fell for Roger Stone's SUCKER BET and you keep trying to reframe things Baltimike Jan 2019 #119

And 30 other Senators Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #125

...that aren't running for president. nt Baltimike Jan 2019 #135

They aren't going to get the nomination either, but she whipped them... Baltimike Jan 2019 #136

Whipped them? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #137

Oh Geeze...I used House terminology..she LED them make no mistake Baltimike Jan 2019 #138

So Warren, Sanders, Harris and Booker Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #139

Nice try. No dice. Baltimike Jan 2019 #147

She may have led but didn't they follow Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #148

again...Nice try. No dice. SHE *led* them, and you know it. Baltimike Jan 2019 #152

And they followed Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #156

and we won't follow. Baltimike Jan 2019 #170

OK Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #171

Where's the evidence they weren't? Baltimike Jan 2019 #172

That's not how it works Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #175

Yes it is. You're welcome Baltimike Jan 2019 #180

Again Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #190

She didn't "lead" them. It was discussed and coordinated NYC Liberal Jan 2019 #187

***YAWN*** Splitting hairs Baltimike Jan 2019 #189

So Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #191

Oh the irony of Gillibrand tarring Franken, being followed by her supporters trying to tar OnDoutside Jan 2019 #32

Facts are facts, OnDoubtside...Those responsible need to whathehell Jan 2019 #36

And she will be ! 😉 OnDoutside Jan 2019 #37

..As will they all.. whathehell Jan 2019 #39

Hahaha ! OnDoutside Jan 2019 #40

Whataboutism doesn't stick as much as the original sin, which sticks like super glue. brush Jan 2019 #123

Nice try.. whathehell Jan 2019 #197

Don't have to. You can see as well as I can from the posts on this thread... brush Jan 2019 #199

Not denying that . whathehell Jan 2019 #200

It stuck on her though. brush Jan 2019 #201

How are they being tarred? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #52

Good luck with this. /nt tonedevil Jan 2019 #42

She's disqualified for me because I consider her shanny Jan 2019 #43

Ditto onetexan Jan 2019 #60

"Opportunist". athena Jan 2019 #144

lol I use it all the time to describe shanny Jan 2019 #145

Being female is no defense. athena Jan 2019 #149

And I need none. Buh-bye. shanny Jan 2019 #153

All oppressed people, including racial minorities, internalize the negatives that whathehell Jan 2019 #198

She's not disqualified ... earthshine Jan 2019 #45

+1. She has every right to run and present her case dalton99a Jan 2019 #46

She's over 35 and born in the USA. That makes her qualified. earthshine Jan 2019 #47

Our current President lowered Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #83

Most of them aren't running. Meowmee Jan 2019 #57

You made an important point. madaboutharry Jan 2019 #76

Exactly Meowmee Jan 2019 #168

On the Franken matter madaboutharry Jan 2019 #77

Actually Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #84

TV is not the only media. I personally heard Gillibrand on progressive satellite radio... brush Jan 2019 #132

Was it this show? Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #158

It's a non starter for me JustAnotherGen Jan 2019 #78

all I know, I won't support her. Period. The Al Franken debacle by her is enough proof for me she beachbum bob Jan 2019 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Jan 2019 #86

Only her, because....perception. LexVegas Jan 2019 #87

No one said she's disqualified Bettie Jan 2019 #88

Al Franken deserved due process, so ANY Dem that precluded that option is dead to me Mr. Ected Jan 2019 #90

It's called politics. athena Jan 2019 #143

Looks like we will have to draft President Hillary Clinton for 2020 run delisen Jan 2019 #91

I'm all for it! lunamagica Jan 2019 #154

Al Franken was railroaded. I'm still mad about it. Joe941 Jan 2019 #92

Putting the Franken question aside, Polly Hennessey Jan 2019 #94

Excellent observations. Thank you. I can't stand to listen to her, personally. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #98

Chuck Schumer coordinated and led the Democratic attack on Franken. yardwork Jan 2019 #95

Not to mention Biden and his handling of Anita Hill Evergreen Emerald Jan 2019 #96

But he's a man, athena Jan 2019 #142

Amen Evergreen Emerald Jan 2019 #161

Gillibrand is currently near the top of my list. WeekiWater Jan 2019 #99

I guess women can't speak out against powerful men crazycatlady Jan 2019 #100

I agree with you completely. athena Jan 2019 #141

your post just made me feel that much more welcome here crazycatlady Jan 2019 #155

Thank you for saying that. athena Jan 2019 #157

I called both my Senators Feinstein and Harris offices SHRED Jan 2019 #104

Dem pile on/treatment of Al Franken was disgraceful. Rene Jan 2019 #106

Franken was in the wrong, Gillibrand was in the right to call him out Tarc Jan 2019 #109

No one should be "automatically disqualified". Gillibrand isn't disqualified. Caliman73 Jan 2019 #115

I agree Andy823 Jan 2019 #130

Yes. Choice is typically a good thing. Caliman73 Jan 2019 #133

I totally agree with you. Andy823 Jan 2019 #173

I think most of the people on this list Bayard Jan 2019 #127

Fine point: Sanders is NOT A DEMOCRAT! Stinky The Clown Jan 2019 #128

My guess is for the same reason people sometimes count LanternWaste Jan 2019 #164

I'm good with the whole list. zipplewrath Jan 2019 #131

The Republican primaries were influenced by rigged polls. rzemanfl Jan 2019 #134

Gillibrand got the snowball rolling, but it's not just that. Vinca Jan 2019 #151

I gave my opinion about the others calling for Franken to resign in another OP revmclaren Jan 2019 #160

False analogy Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #169

Keep saying that to yourself. revmclaren Jan 2019 #181

So the definition Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #192

Damn good post NYC Liberal!! K&R Devil Child Jan 2019 #174

No way I will vote for her Desert grandma Jan 2019 #176

Yes and no. mia Jan 2019 #177

I loved Al, I miss Al but let's face it, Al blew it. redstateblues Jan 2019 #179

Tu quoque is a logical fallacy, you know wellst0nev0ter Jan 2019 #183

And where is the evidence Trumpocalypse Jan 2019 #193

i think it's pretty fucking sad what ALL of them did n/t orleans Jan 2019 #194

Gillibrand is automatically disqualified ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #202

Democrats can help trump Turbineguy Jan 2019 #203

There's a difference between customerserviceguy Jan 2019 #204