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SWBTATTReg

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6. Wonder how pence can pardon if not all charges have been brought up yet. None of us...

Fri Jan 18, 2019, 04:33 PM

Jan 2019

truly knows what Mueller and cohorts have identified as possible charges and when they happened. If happened before rump is president, then pardon could perhaps not be effective. If charges are applied to obstruction of justice and the like, will happen (if belief that sitting president can't be indicted) afterwards, when unknown when pence pardons. Also, states such as NY could bring charges too, where pardons don't impact. Looking more and more like a whole slew of crap coming down the pipeline and basically there are too many crimes committed to just pardon away all of them.

And if pardoned, rump administration is toast. Repugs in Congress are toast. American people will finally know the full breadth and scope of the criminal cabal that rump is the tip of.

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I heard this possibilty today on the radio: [View all] Stuart G Jan 2019 OP

frightening AlexSFCA Jan 2019 #1

Pencelbreathe! imanamerican63 Jan 2019 #19

Why would Barr need to be AG to 'engineer' a deal? Jose Garcia Jan 2019 #2

He wouldn't need to be, but it would put him in a more superior position to do so. Stuart G Jan 2019 #5

Because they don't know how to engineer deals! Initech Jan 2019 #21

Interesting, but I doubt it Poiuyt Jan 2019 #3

and as we should know Pence can only pardon federal crimes, not state crimes. defacto7 Jan 2019 #37

Good point Poiuyt Jan 2019 #38

Similar to what I thought at this link: LuckyCharms Jan 2019 #4

Wonder how pence can pardon if not all charges have been brought up yet. None of us... SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #6

I really don't know much more than the proposal. Stuart G Jan 2019 #9

Ford gave Nixon a pardon that included rusty fender Jan 2019 #11

Thanks for clarifying. When all is said and done, we're going to have a field day w/ all of the... SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #12

Good question! rusty fender Jan 2019 #13

I wondered because treason is considered a 'high crime' vs. other crimes. But I think you may... SWBTATTReg Jan 2019 #16

And couldn't a pardon be seen as an admission of guilt? Victor_c3 Jan 2019 #14

You may be right rusty fender Jan 2019 #17

I don't think that will happen. Sometimes Hartmann gets odd ideas, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #7

I posted the other day about Barr's involvement in the GHW pardons during Iran Contra eleny Jan 2019 #8

It won't help with the state charges Trump and kids are facing, Qutzupalotl Jan 2019 #10

It seems using pardons to coverup crimes C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #15

Promising a pardon in exchange for agreeing to cover up a crime The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #18

How did Ford get away with it then? marlakay Jan 2019 #27

Ford seemed more a cleanup guy C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #31

It wasn't the same thing. There was no quid pro quo. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #34

I wonder why Ford did it then marlakay Jan 2019 #35

I recall that at the time he just wanted to get the whole mess behind him. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #36

Pence is part of Trump's gang, so how can he pardon "the gang?" FakeNoose Jan 2019 #20

Yes, Pence is part of "the gang" Stuart G Jan 2019 #26

Barr has no control over State charges Apollyonus Jan 2019 #22

Hartmann was paid by RT (Russian propaganda). NightWatcher Jan 2019 #23

I've been saying for months we do not want Pence for president anymore than DT Doremus Jan 2019 #24

Trump won't resign, think about his ego JuJuYoshida Jan 2019 #25

Not sure I'd trust anything Thom Hartmann has to say these days... brachism Jan 2019 #28

i trust him, and I think his ideas are OK..That is what I have to say. About Thom today..nt Stuart G Jan 2019 #29

There is some talk about a couple of sealed indictments solara Jan 2019 #30

I think Barr is in to save the GOP, not Trump. He is old school Republican and will OnDoutside Jan 2019 #32

Nixon negotiated this (very likely) with Ford- dawg day Jan 2019 #33