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B Stieg

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50. Thanks. I had forgotten this.

Reply to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 19, 2019, 03:17 PM

Jan 2019

Since I see the shutdown as more of a lockout of labor to which a strike is a usual response.
Still, I think Sherman would at all this.

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I asked my wife this question and she laughed her ass off. [View all] shockey80 Jan 2019 OP

It's not that simple. Of course a federal worker who's not getting paid The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #1

It is that simple. shockey80 Jan 2019 #4

Would you really do it? The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #6

Suppose you are just a few years from being vested in your pension? n/t Stonepounder Jan 2019 #49

Once you're employee as a government worker for a while Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #58

That hasn't been my experience or the experience of the many other employers and employees I know EffieBlack Jan 2019 #62

A long time government lawyer Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #66

Lawyers and scientists don't represent all government employees... EffieBlack Jan 2019 #68

Never said they represented all or even a significant fraction of govt employees Loki Liesmith Jan 2019 #72

Air traffic controllers have a skill set that doesn't translate to anything in the private sector Major Nikon Jan 2019 #81

You're talking about specific, highly specialized areas EffieBlack Jan 2019 #84

As was the poster you replied to Major Nikon Jan 2019 #85

There's a difference between a "highly skilled job" and a job exclusive to federal government EffieBlack Jan 2019 #88

Looks like that poster did clarify Major Nikon Jan 2019 #93

Engineers, urban planners, human resource experts,, subject-matter/policy experts EffieBlack Jan 2019 #102

How many economists and speechwriters do you think any given agency employs? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #103

Obviously many more than you think EffieBlack Jan 2019 #105

So you are assuming all of those are federal employees and not contractors Major Nikon Jan 2019 #115

I:m not assuming I'm stating a fact EffieBlack Jan 2019 #116

You made several assumptions that I pointed out Major Nikon Jan 2019 #117

Let's see: EffieBlack Jan 2019 #118

No let's not see Major Nikon Jan 2019 #119

I was a Fed from 1969 to 1985 and my experience was like yours PufPuf23 Jan 2019 #108

What a great career you've had. Thanks for sharing your experiences! EffieBlack Jan 2019 #111

Thanks. I had forgotten this. B Stieg Jan 2019 #50

I was trying to think of why the premise given was wrong. Blue_true Jan 2019 #86

It is illegal for some of them to say no to working without pay. Not saying it's rigjt. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #2

Any worker who says they will not work for no pay can get fired. shockey80 Jan 2019 #3

For the TSA it IS illegal. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #7

When you sign on with a federal agency 2naSalit Jan 2019 #36

Go tell that to the Coast Guard whopis01 Jan 2019 #80

Exactly. onecaliberal Jan 2019 #107

That has never been tested as far as I can tell. KPN Jan 2019 #52

Once Major Nikon Jan 2019 #83

Nope. They weren't being required to work KPN Jan 2019 #89

The law doesn't apply to individuals, it applies to unions Major Nikon Jan 2019 #91

Workers don't need a union to stage a walkout. KPN Jan 2019 #92

True, but in that case no laws would be violated Major Nikon Jan 2019 #94

I don't follow your point about no law being broken KPN Jan 2019 #95

Post #2 is talking about employees Major Nikon Jan 2019 #96

So you agree then that employees can walk out KPN Jan 2019 #97

I would agree it doesn't apply if the union had nothing to do with it Major Nikon Jan 2019 #98

So what was the "Once" about? KPN Jan 2019 #100

Do I need to repeat myself? Major Nikon Jan 2019 #101

Haha. Sorry, but apparently. You said it WAS tested once. KPN Jan 2019 #113

Then we disagree Major Nikon Jan 2019 #114

It's not illegal for the employee, it's illegal for a federal union to organize a strike Major Nikon Jan 2019 #82

That's wonderful that you have the courage and resources to quit a job unexpectedly and either WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #5

Yep. It's easy to sit at the computer and tell others what they should be doing The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2019 #8

I have made that decision. shockey80 Jan 2019 #10

"Fate took over, It was amazing." WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #16

+1 2naSalit Jan 2019 #38

There is this thing called, calling in sick. shockey80 Jan 2019 #9

"Find a doctor who will protect you." That sounds interesting! What does that look like? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #12

Yeah, doesn't exactly sound like he's the big brave warrior he pretends to be lol. cwydro Jan 2019 #60

Maybe you can find a doctor who will claim you have bone spurs EffieBlack Jan 2019 #70

So easy to say "I would NEVER do that!" when you're not in their EffieBlack Jan 2019 #11

Yawn. shockey80 Jan 2019 #13

Apparently, you're too groggy to realize we can see you ... EffieBlack Jan 2019 #14

They are probably fearful that President "Pull Wings off of Flies" will fire them and ooky Jan 2019 #15

Every single salaried employee has done work for free. FSogol Jan 2019 #17

Yes, and they will have do it over and over and over for fucking ever. shockey80 Jan 2019 #19

They're not actually working for free or without pay EffieBlack Jan 2019 #21

I meant in a more general way, beyond the federal govt. FSogol Jan 2019 #29

I understand EffieBlack Jan 2019 #33

Like I said, Right now some federal workers are refusing to work without pay. shockey80 Jan 2019 #18

LOL: You wrote this to yourself: "Why are you attacking me for having courage?" FSogol Jan 2019 #20

Oops, now that's funny. shockey80 Jan 2019 #22

Big Brother: "Stop hitting yer-self" n/t FSogol Jan 2019 #26

I'm just trying to rock the boat. shockey80 Jan 2019 #28

Collective action is not about individual courage, so you continuing to tout your own misses the WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #24

Well said. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #39

You have shown absolutely no courage. EffieBlack Jan 2019 #25

Who are you, my mother. shockey80 Jan 2019 #30

Obviously not, thank the Lord. EffieBlack Jan 2019 #34

Sounds like he cowered in his (fake) sick bed, while his co-workers faced the music daily. cwydro Jan 2019 #61

Sitting behind a keyboard slamming others is the act of a coward. cwydro Jan 2019 #65

I'm guessing some of these people would keep working... LAS14 Jan 2019 #23

I agree, I can't hold that against them. Very good point. shockey80 Jan 2019 #27

Cool Story, Bro , ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #31

Federal workers are governed by the Code of Ethical Conduct. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #32

Scary, refusing an order, BOO! shockey80 Jan 2019 #35

Scary, getting fired and losing a job. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #37

Being forced to work without pay is also not a trivial matter. shockey80 Jan 2019 #40

Arbitrators treat orders as paramount. guillaumeb Jan 2019 #41

Think of is as quasi-military in how personnel are handled. 2naSalit Jan 2019 #42

I served in the army, I also worked for the federal government (UNION) for many years. shockey80 Jan 2019 #43

You guys know that Trump wants to fire them all and bring in private contract workers, right? FakeNoose Jan 2019 #44

Exactly. shockey80 Jan 2019 #46

This needs to be understood by all of us, and the remaining real democratic leaders in this country. erronis Jan 2019 #57

I'm pretty sure you missed the point of FakeNoose's post entirely. By that I mean walking off the dameatball Jan 2019 #79

Yes that's what I meant FakeNoose Jan 2019 #112

I'm the same way nt backtoblue Jan 2019 #45

You must be an old school American like myself. shockey80 Jan 2019 #47

I was raised by some hard working country folk backtoblue Jan 2019 #48

I knew it. Hello friend. shockey80 Jan 2019 #51

Hiya back friend. backtoblue Jan 2019 #54

On some level I agree with you about having strong, core principles. llmart Jan 2019 #53

Yes you are. shockey80 Jan 2019 #56

"Most Americans no longer have the courage to say this simple word, NO!" ... Jopin Klobe Jan 2019 #55

Not forever, but it's part of the job for government workers. Hoyt Jan 2019 #59

Trump would run into a school unarmed to save kids from a shooter IronLionZion Jan 2019 #63

You need to read all the posts. shockey80 Jan 2019 #74

I don't IronLionZion Jan 2019 #78

Hey, you sound like a really tough leader-type dude! cwydro Jan 2019 #64

+1. And tell all the federal law enforcement officers they are weak with no guts IronLionZion Jan 2019 #71

Yeah, and forget the Coasties - he can start with the Secret Service! cwydro Jan 2019 #77

It's always easy to hulk up on forums. EllieBC Jan 2019 #99

+1 violetpastille Jan 2019 #104

Why don't these "Why they oughtta" big talkers organize their OWN general strike EffieBlack Jan 2019 #106

Of course they won't do it themselves! EllieBC Jan 2019 #109

Like the "I don't need no danged union!" types who refuse to join the union or pay dues EffieBlack Jan 2019 #110

I have worked for no pay radical noodle Jan 2019 #67

General Strike . . . I saw one British MSNBC contributor said we don't have that word over here pdsimdars Jan 2019 #69

That's a pretty profound misunderstanding of 'essential' there. yewberry Jan 2019 #73

You need to read all the posts. shockey80 Jan 2019 #75

I did. nt yewberry Jan 2019 #76

Not funny at all GusBob Jan 2019 #87

Choice between gas and baby formula milestogo Jan 2019 #90