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guillaumeb

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54. Has the US civil war ever really ended?

Reply to gopiscrap (Original post)

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:12 PM

Jan 2019

An excellent case could be made that racists simply continued the fight in other venues.

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"Impeachment will rip the country apart" [View all] gopiscrap Jan 2019 OP

The country is ripped apart already? kentuck Jan 2019 #1

Cool... StarlightGold Jan 2019 #2

Right wing extremists may attemt a violent uprising.... Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #3

A FAILED IMPEACHMENT ATTEMPT WILL CRUSH OUR DEMOCRACY. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #4

WHY IS THAT? WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING? MCTURTLE CAN"T HAVE A VOTE erronis Jan 2019 #13

YES IT DOES. KEEP PEELING AWAY THE GOP AND IT BECOMES POSSIBLE. RIGHT NOW? NOT SO MUCH. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #14

IMPEACHING IN HOUSE AND NOT CONVICTING IN THE SENATE EFFECTIVELY NORMALIZES TRUMP's ABUSES OF POWER FreepFryer Jan 2019 #18

No it doesn't edhopper Jan 2019 #68

A bully must be convicted & punished, not just accused. Anything less emboldens smirking evil. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #69

He will be edhopper Jan 2019 #70

A criminal president cannot undergo impeachment and have it end with his remaining in office. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #71

That already happened edhopper Jan 2019 #72

How was Clinton a criminal president? (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #73

I missread your post edhopper Jan 2019 #75

In my assessment, that's completely incorrect. We fundamentally disagree on this point. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #77

Yes edhopper Jan 2019 #81

Unsupported prophecy crushes rational thought. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #32

EMPTY BLATHER CURES DEAD AIR! PLENTY OF RATIONAL ARGUMENT IF YOU BOTHER TO READ IT (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #36

Why are you shouting? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #80

The power of impeachment rests in the house Rizen Jan 2019 #58

THE SENATE TRIES THE IMPEACHMENT CASE. AGREE RE GOP CULT & APPRECIATE THE CIVICS 101. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #60

It's already ripped apart. Putting our heads in the sand won't fix it. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #5

There you go. That's the truth. dchill Jan 2019 #57

The Dotard is doing a great job of that now. Nt raccoon Jan 2019 #6

Maybe we need a good ripping. Let er RIP. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #7

I'm good with some ripping. Autumn Jan 2019 #8

No question, we are still fighting the civil war. chimpymustgo Jan 2019 #9

"Surgery to remove the cancer could leave an ugly scar"...nt albacore Jan 2019 #10

They didn't have that problem with Bill Clinton's treestar Jan 2019 #11

You're right. Let it happen. The country won't rip apart. This trump stench... brush Jan 2019 #12

Thanks. Some sanity injected here. erronis Jan 2019 #15

So what about the Senate - impeach in the House and ignore the lack of a conviction? FreepFryer Jan 2019 #17

Mueller is not playing around. He's taking his time to get all the evidence... brush Jan 2019 #19

Agree completely. I've got a lot of faith in all of us, including Mueller. But a rush to impeach... FreepFryer Jan 2019 #20

Because the questions about his suitability for the job will now be on display. erronis Jan 2019 #22

You're suggesting we leave the judgment of Trump to the current political Senate? That's suicide. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #24

So the House should do nothing until it is guaranteed by the Senate? erronis Jan 2019 #33

Not at all - but the House should not refer an impeachment until there is a clear path to the votes. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #62

And acquiescing to Putin's agenda of discord and chaos in the West. brush Jan 2019 #27

We need Trump removed as expeditiously as possible. But if it fails he'll dig in deeper. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #29

We can't let it fail. If it gets to people in the streets v deplorables so be it. brush Jan 2019 #30

Don't try at all because you might fail. That's a wonderful formula - for someone. erronis Jan 2019 #34

I never said 'don't try at all' - I SPECIFICALLY SAID QUITE THE OPPOSITE. You are misreading intent. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #37

Impeach the motherfucker now! onecaliberal Jan 2019 #16

Tear off the cancerous right wing and cast it into a pit C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #21

Sometimes you need to rip out the cancer. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #23

What happens if you rip the patient open (House) but leave the tumor in place (Senate)? FreepFryer Jan 2019 #26

They're ok ripping the country apart w their policies, shutting down govt. lack of Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #25

Right-wing reprisal is not the fear. Normalization of an autocrat thru failed impeachment is. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #28

Could you explain why the failed conviction (senate) of a successful impeachment (house) erronis Jan 2019 #35

it has indeed. How did Clinton and Gingrich recover politically from that? I'll wait. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #44

Clinton's Impeachment and Trial were in '98, after his re-election in '96 maxsolomon Jan 2019 #55

One could argue that his second-term status made his condition more dire, rather than less. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #56

Impreachment without conviction will be like the 30 times they "repealed Obamacare" in the House. briv1016 Jan 2019 #31

Agree. There are lots of house vs. senate votes that don't wreck the nation. erronis Jan 2019 #38

Yup. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #39

Why not censure instead until it's time? A much more robust mechanism, politically. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #42

I could live with that. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #46

RIGHT?!?! Impeachment - when the time is right. And it will be. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #47

It could be the day the Mueller Report is released. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #49

IMHO There is a reason Mueller threw water on the Buzzfeed buzz without defanging the story. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #51

Exactly, and the mechanism of impeachment cannot sustain 50 efforts, it'd be rendered moot. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #41

Why do you assume their won't be conviction? Rizen Jan 2019 #61

IMO conviction is only possible if the mueller report is devastating BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #83

IMPEACH THAT LIARING CRIMINAL AND HIS FAMILY mysteryowl Jan 2019 #40

What are the chances 67 senators will vote to remove ? at140 Jan 2019 #59

Exactly. And we won't wait for the votes... but we will act when a path to the votes is viable. (nt) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #63

Yeah, let it rip. Yeehah Jan 2019 #43

Impeachment proceedings wouldn't rip the country apart. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #45

That Train Left The Station.... Laxman Jan 2019 #48

I don't think we will ever truly know all the evidence and charges on Trump. I doc03 Jan 2019 #50

Get that splinter out!! PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #52

This is worse than a splinter Generic Brad Jan 2019 #53

I meant Splinter, the Giant Rat. PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #74

Has the US civil war ever really ended? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54

I'm willing to risk it. Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #64

Mueller is the criminal element, Impeachment is political - Nevermypresident Jan 2019 #65

It's worth the risk bdamomma Jan 2019 #66

I've been calling for impeachment for the last year. Start it now! Joe941 Jan 2019 #67

There are states that would be better off as Canadian provinces. roamer65 Jan 2019 #76

Fine with me... the country has already been torn apart, perhaps, beyond repair. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #78

trump and the republicans have already ripped it apart liberal N proud Jan 2019 #79

Impeachment will rip Trump a new one, you mean. And expose a lot of other criminals. McCamy Taylor Jan 2019 #82