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maxsolomon

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55. Clinton's Impeachment and Trial were in '98, after his re-election in '96

Mon Jan 21, 2019, 06:16 PM

Jan 2019

so, that changes the equation here.

will a party-line Impeachment vote of President Asshole for myriad obvious high crimes and misdemeanors garner SYMPATHY for him in 2020?

will a party-line refusal to convict garner SYMPATHY for GOP Senators who clearly and obviously betray their oath of office?

can the American voting populace of low-information flibberdigibbets remember something that happened more than a week ago if it's not being drilled into their heads by the RW Noise Machine? something like WHY his Mob Boss Con Man ass was Impeached?

these are the questions that plague me. I think the answer to all three is NO, so a re-election bid by an Impeached-not-Convicted President Asshole is still a viable proposition, even if against the odds. I'd give him a 40% chance right now.

I still think Dems should Impeach, and before 2019 is over. It is their duty.

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"Impeachment will rip the country apart" [View all] gopiscrap Jan 2019 OP

The country is ripped apart already? kentuck Jan 2019 #1

Cool... StarlightGold Jan 2019 #2

Right wing extremists may attemt a violent uprising.... Shell_Seas Jan 2019 #3

A FAILED IMPEACHMENT ATTEMPT WILL CRUSH OUR DEMOCRACY. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #4

WHY IS THAT? WE SHOULDN'T DO ANYTHING? MCTURTLE CAN"T HAVE A VOTE erronis Jan 2019 #13

YES IT DOES. KEEP PEELING AWAY THE GOP AND IT BECOMES POSSIBLE. RIGHT NOW? NOT SO MUCH. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #14

IMPEACHING IN HOUSE AND NOT CONVICTING IN THE SENATE EFFECTIVELY NORMALIZES TRUMP's ABUSES OF POWER FreepFryer Jan 2019 #18

No it doesn't edhopper Jan 2019 #68

A bully must be convicted & punished, not just accused. Anything less emboldens smirking evil. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #69

He will be edhopper Jan 2019 #70

A criminal president cannot undergo impeachment and have it end with his remaining in office. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #71

That already happened edhopper Jan 2019 #72

How was Clinton a criminal president? (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #73

I missread your post edhopper Jan 2019 #75

In my assessment, that's completely incorrect. We fundamentally disagree on this point. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #77

Yes edhopper Jan 2019 #81

Unsupported prophecy crushes rational thought. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #32

EMPTY BLATHER CURES DEAD AIR! PLENTY OF RATIONAL ARGUMENT IF YOU BOTHER TO READ IT (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #36

Why are you shouting? LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2019 #80

The power of impeachment rests in the house Rizen Jan 2019 #58

THE SENATE TRIES THE IMPEACHMENT CASE. AGREE RE GOP CULT & APPRECIATE THE CIVICS 101. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #60

It's already ripped apart. Putting our heads in the sand won't fix it. sharedvalues Jan 2019 #5

There you go. That's the truth. dchill Jan 2019 #57

The Dotard is doing a great job of that now. Nt raccoon Jan 2019 #6

Maybe we need a good ripping. Let er RIP. nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #7

I'm good with some ripping. Autumn Jan 2019 #8

No question, we are still fighting the civil war. chimpymustgo Jan 2019 #9

"Surgery to remove the cancer could leave an ugly scar"...nt albacore Jan 2019 #10

They didn't have that problem with Bill Clinton's treestar Jan 2019 #11

You're right. Let it happen. The country won't rip apart. This trump stench... brush Jan 2019 #12

Thanks. Some sanity injected here. erronis Jan 2019 #15

So what about the Senate - impeach in the House and ignore the lack of a conviction? FreepFryer Jan 2019 #17

Mueller is not playing around. He's taking his time to get all the evidence... brush Jan 2019 #19

Agree completely. I've got a lot of faith in all of us, including Mueller. But a rush to impeach... FreepFryer Jan 2019 #20

Because the questions about his suitability for the job will now be on display. erronis Jan 2019 #22

You're suggesting we leave the judgment of Trump to the current political Senate? That's suicide. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #24

So the House should do nothing until it is guaranteed by the Senate? erronis Jan 2019 #33

Not at all - but the House should not refer an impeachment until there is a clear path to the votes. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #62

And acquiescing to Putin's agenda of discord and chaos in the West. brush Jan 2019 #27

We need Trump removed as expeditiously as possible. But if it fails he'll dig in deeper. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #29

We can't let it fail. If it gets to people in the streets v deplorables so be it. brush Jan 2019 #30

Don't try at all because you might fail. That's a wonderful formula - for someone. erronis Jan 2019 #34

I never said 'don't try at all' - I SPECIFICALLY SAID QUITE THE OPPOSITE. You are misreading intent. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #37

Impeach the motherfucker now! onecaliberal Jan 2019 #16

Tear off the cancerous right wing and cast it into a pit C_U_L8R Jan 2019 #21

Sometimes you need to rip out the cancer. LiberalFighter Jan 2019 #23

What happens if you rip the patient open (House) but leave the tumor in place (Senate)? FreepFryer Jan 2019 #26

They're ok ripping the country apart w their policies, shutting down govt. lack of Crutchez_CuiBono Jan 2019 #25

Right-wing reprisal is not the fear. Normalization of an autocrat thru failed impeachment is. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #28

Could you explain why the failed conviction (senate) of a successful impeachment (house) erronis Jan 2019 #35

it has indeed. How did Clinton and Gingrich recover politically from that? I'll wait. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #44

Clinton's Impeachment and Trial were in '98, after his re-election in '96 maxsolomon Jan 2019 #55

One could argue that his second-term status made his condition more dire, rather than less. FreepFryer Jan 2019 #56

Impreachment without conviction will be like the 30 times they "repealed Obamacare" in the House. briv1016 Jan 2019 #31

Agree. There are lots of house vs. senate votes that don't wreck the nation. erronis Jan 2019 #38

Yup. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #39

Why not censure instead until it's time? A much more robust mechanism, politically. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #42

I could live with that. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #46

RIGHT?!?! Impeachment - when the time is right. And it will be. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #47

It could be the day the Mueller Report is released. Pope George Ringo II Jan 2019 #49

IMHO There is a reason Mueller threw water on the Buzzfeed buzz without defanging the story. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #51

Exactly, and the mechanism of impeachment cannot sustain 50 efforts, it'd be rendered moot. (n/t) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #41

Why do you assume their won't be conviction? Rizen Jan 2019 #61

IMO conviction is only possible if the mueller report is devastating BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #83

IMPEACH THAT LIARING CRIMINAL AND HIS FAMILY mysteryowl Jan 2019 #40

What are the chances 67 senators will vote to remove ? at140 Jan 2019 #59

Exactly. And we won't wait for the votes... but we will act when a path to the votes is viable. (nt) FreepFryer Jan 2019 #63

Yeah, let it rip. Yeehah Jan 2019 #43

Impeachment proceedings wouldn't rip the country apart. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #45

That Train Left The Station.... Laxman Jan 2019 #48

I don't think we will ever truly know all the evidence and charges on Trump. I doc03 Jan 2019 #50

Get that splinter out!! PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #52

This is worse than a splinter Generic Brad Jan 2019 #53

I meant Splinter, the Giant Rat. PubliusEnigma Jan 2019 #74

Has the US civil war ever really ended? guillaumeb Jan 2019 #54

I'm willing to risk it. Drahthaardogs Jan 2019 #64

Mueller is the criminal element, Impeachment is political - Nevermypresident Jan 2019 #65

It's worth the risk bdamomma Jan 2019 #66

I've been calling for impeachment for the last year. Start it now! Joe941 Jan 2019 #67

There are states that would be better off as Canadian provinces. roamer65 Jan 2019 #76

Fine with me... the country has already been torn apart, perhaps, beyond repair. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2019 #78

trump and the republicans have already ripped it apart liberal N proud Jan 2019 #79

Impeachment will rip Trump a new one, you mean. And expose a lot of other criminals. McCamy Taylor Jan 2019 #82