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In reply to the discussion: I have a question for DU ladies. [View all]reorg
(3,317 posts)189. You are wrong, the time-line matches perfectly
He wanted her to go out and buy more breakfast. She did not want to leave him alone in the flat she really did not know him very well but she did it anyway. When she left the flat he lay naked in her bed and was fiddling with one of his telephones. Before she left she said, Be good'. He replied: Don't worry, I'm always bad. When she returned she served him oatmeal porridge, milk, and juice. She had already eaten before he awoke, and had spoken with a friend on the phone.
The Assault
They sat on the bed and talked, and he took off her clothes again. They had sex again and she suddenly discovered that he had placed the condom only over the head of his penis; but she let it be. They dozed off and she awoke and felt him penetrating her. She immediately asked, Are you wearing anything?, to which he replied, You. She said to him: You better dont have HIV, and he replied, Of course not. She felt that it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue.
http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/docs/protocol.pdf
The Assault
They sat on the bed and talked, and he took off her clothes again. They had sex again and she suddenly discovered that he had placed the condom only over the head of his penis; but she let it be. They dozed off and she awoke and felt him penetrating her. She immediately asked, Are you wearing anything?, to which he replied, You. She said to him: You better dont have HIV, and he replied, Of course not. She felt that it was too late. He was already inside her and she let him continue.
http://www.nnn.se/nordic/assange/docs/protocol.pdf
What is conveniently left out in the "hypothecial" excerpt in the OP: nowhere is it mentioned that she was "asleep", much less in deep sleep such as during the night, which is pretty much impossible in the scenario described. She mentions to have noticed that the condom was not appropriately affixed, "only over the head of the penis" which almost ensures that it slips off, and she "let it be". When she "awoke", "she let him continue" without putting a condom on again.
It is very obvious that she couldn't get enough of it, so to question her willingness to have sex with Assange at that moment is outright laughable. I would even question the seriousness of what some posters here call the "condition" to wear a condom, the health concern. Didn't seem to matter all that much if she "let him continue" and "let it go" when it already seemed to slip off.
A misunderstanding or a inconsiderate move by her partner? Who knows, and nobody really cares. Those posters here who claim to "fight for justice" for these women had better start in their own neighborhood. Because no such "rape" case has ever taken place anywhere, apparently. I was hoping somebody could cite an example and have asked many, many times in many places, but such examples don't seem to exist ...
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Since my goal was to pressure you to respond, I actually feel like a winner. nt
Bonobo
Aug 2012
#123
So if the victim doesn't fight back sufficiently hard in your opinion, the rape doesn't count? (nt)
jeff47
Aug 2012
#92
He penetrated her while she was still asleep. By the time she asked him if he was wearing
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#106
Rape. You have to have permission, be invited, for each penetration or sexual activity.
NYC_SKP
Aug 2012
#7
I was taking the hypothetical of the OP in the most general sense, not related to the Assange case.
NYC_SKP
Aug 2012
#99
Okay...I understand your "hypothetical" and would agree but...this seemed about Assange...
KoKo
Aug 2012
#102
spoiled little boy had to have his way without consideration to the woman. now whines
seabeyond
Aug 2012
#20
your faith in US law is admirable eveb though there is the sticky problem of GITMO
Swagman
Aug 2012
#138
can you give me anothe rexample of when a suspect is invited to another country for an interview?
Swagman
Aug 2012
#139
Sweden has extradition agreements with the US that could theoretically require them to do so --
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#167
then send his ass back to sweden and let him face the charges like everyone else has to. nt
seabeyond
Aug 2012
#143
The investigation he's referring to includes charges of rape, molestation, and assault.
pnwmom
Aug 2012
#180
There is nothing that I have stated about Miss W that your link contradicts.
Luminous Animal
Aug 2012
#38
Did you read the entire discussion? There's additional material offered by the participants.
MADem
Aug 2012
#49
Miss W declined to sign the affidavit the very day she made her complaint...
Luminous Animal
Aug 2012
#51
what on earth are you talking about? what have other cases got to do with this?
Swagman
Aug 2012
#140
I would support what the woman said it was. If this is about Assange's case, both women said NO rape
riderinthestorm
Aug 2012
#40
yes if i was the victim of a rape, then i would want my government to get the asshole whatever it
loli phabay
Aug 2012
#75
Yes it would be rape. However, only someone in a coma would not wake up upon penetration.
notadmblnd
Aug 2012
#79
I said one would have to be in a coma not to wake up. I thought that would have pretty
notadmblnd
Aug 2012
#175
Absolutely! First, he new my wishes. Second, he exposed me to a possible unwanted pregnancy. Third..
Liberal_Stalwart71
Aug 2012
#81
It may be rape, but I doubt if even Clarence Darrow could get a conviction in this case. nt
raccoon
Aug 2012
#149
First, I suffer from insomnia and I want some of whatever you are using to get to sleep...
renie408
Aug 2012
#156