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laundry_queen

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10. Clearly you don't understand the issue with pertussis recently.

Tue Aug 21, 2012, 12:46 PM

Aug 2012

The theory is that it's not the kids who aren't vaccinated - it's the adults. I hope you are also up to date on your vaccines. Also, even if everyone - 100% of people - was all vaccinated and up to date there is a certain percentage that is a failure rate - estimates are from 5% to 20%. You cannot say for certain it was the 'anti-vaxxers' that did this...it may have happened anyway. It's a sad fact of life that some infants get sick and die. A friend of mine lost her 5 month old to the FLU. Good luck getting 100% compliance with the flu vaccine (which is only estimated to be 65-70% effective anyway).

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Anti-vaxers kill another child [View all] cleanhippie Aug 2012 OP

The infant could have easily caught the pertussis from a vaccinated child. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #1

"The longer you went from your last vaccine, the greater your risk of disease," cleanhippie Aug 2012 #4

You sound as hysterical about this as the anti-vaxer do about autism and vaxes. Lionessa Aug 2012 #6

Ahh, the old ad hominem. You stay classy. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #7

You're the one attempting to construct a strawman no matter how many Lionessa Aug 2012 #18

Why do you feel the need to attack me personally? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #20

I have, as have others and yet you seem stuck in the same mud re: this article. Lionessa Aug 2012 #29

You apologized for attacking me personally? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #35

I imagine we'll rationalize the melodrama that validates our own position LanternWaste Aug 2012 #23

Meh. And t risk of sounding childish... cleanhippie Aug 2012 #25

no, I think you did 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #27

+1000 n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #26

the person accusing others of being murderers is telling others to stay classy? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #56

Hysterical? Really? Holy shit, you need to seek a less stressful message board! 11 Bravo Aug 2012 #33

how the fuck could you construe that post as "hysterical"? projecting again? dionysus Aug 2012 #38

All kids have several years between the vaccine and the booster. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #21

What didn't you understand? "majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children" HiPointDem Aug 2012 #55

It says nothing about it being anti-vax, but that the child was too young for full vax. Lionessa Aug 2012 #2

Here, I will repost the last paragraph for you. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #3

Please point to where in that paragraph, it points to anti-vaxers causing this child's illness? Lionessa Aug 2012 #5

I'm pro-vaxer and I'm only guessing what the OP infers but Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #11

I think you have the crux of what PZ is saying. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #12

Yes, however, most folks are never given boosters, day care workers would be hard pressed Lionessa Aug 2012 #17

Exactly. mzmolly Aug 2012 #39

My children Sgent Aug 2012 #51

Mine never went to daycare, and public schools do not generally require Lionessa Aug 2012 #60

We don't even know if the adult in question, was made aware of the mzmolly Aug 2012 #44

And we have outbreaks of whooping cough and other childhood diseases obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #8

"Anti vaxxers make me so very angry" Agreed, and they put us all at risk. Its really selfish, IMO. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #9

Children on a regular vaccination schedule were more commonly affected FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #22

Similar results in an Aussie study of the outbreaks there. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #41

This means that in order to have a fully vaccinated population, mzmolly Aug 2012 #45

Clearly you don't understand the issue with pertussis recently. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #10

I agree, somewhat. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #13

I'm not sure it's this huge movement. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #14

It was enough to bring about the reemrgence of nearly eradicated childhood diseases. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #15

Well, I'll have to disagree that's the only cause. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #16

I can concede that. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #19

There is simply no credible data to support your assertion. mzmolly Aug 2012 #47

When did you have your Tdap mzmolly Aug 2012 #32

Two years ago. We have a 3year old and my spouse is a public school teacher. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #34

Tdap or tetanus? mzmolly Aug 2012 #36

Tdap. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #37

Are you saying that only those with a particular philosophy, mzmolly Aug 2012 #43

No, I'm not saying that at all. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #49

I'm not the only person mzmolly Aug 2012 #50

Too many adults think vaccines are only for children NickB79 Aug 2012 #40

Indeed. mzmolly Aug 2012 #46

Rejecting science in favor of superstition must have one heck of an evolutionary advantage 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24

This could all be resolved with a little transparency ecstatic Aug 2012 #28

This strikes me as similar to the arguments against seatbelts 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #30

So we could resolve this by lying? jeff47 Aug 2012 #48

This kind of reasonable thought is unacceptable. First, it removes an issue as a candidate for Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #52

Anna Polling Sgent Aug 2012 #53

I think you mean Hannah Poling? mzmolly Aug 2012 #57

All those unvaccinated adults are a problem, mzmolly Aug 2012 #31

Would it be unreasonable to suggest Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #42

The majority of those getting sick are up-to-date with their immunizations, which kind of goes HiPointDem Aug 2012 #54

Not nearly enough information to make the statement "anti-vaxers" killed... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #58

In 2009, 94% of the applicable age groups had DPT3+ and 84% had DPT4+. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #59