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Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
87. Fair and honest discussions are always welcome and should be encouraged
Mon Jan 28, 2019, 02:55 PM
Jan 2019

With Harris I believe there are at least a couple elephants in the room that need to be discussed and explored. For example, I didn't realize her office was the one who made the comment about releasing prisoners would harm fire camp participation. She came out and against that later, but I think it's a good idea to confront her on that and get the details on why that was even said in the first place. There is also a particular case in which she defended a prosecutor who did some shady stuff in a trial against a child molester.

I'm all for discussing those and getting her to explain those. However, I am also all for including all the positive things she did too, and not just focusing on the negative. I am also against making up lies or stretching the truth to turn people against her. One example of a lie is that I saw on protest signs and I saw people posting social media saying she's pro-death penalty. As far as I can tell, that doesn't seem to be the case. She has stated she's anti-death penalty and in every case I've seen she has recommended against the death penalty despite pressure to push for it. Then there is the twisting truths in which it is claimed she is evil because she locks up and warehouses drug offenders. What's left out is that while there be higher conviction rates of these offenses, these people are being sent to treatment programs instead of being warehoused. This seems a lot like the attack on Beto a couple months back in which it was claimed he was beholden to oil & gas companies because second only to cruz he received the most money from people associated with oil & gas. But what was left out is that he didn't receive corporate money, but rather it was donations from regular people who happen to work in oil & gas. Which makes sense given he's in Texas and oil & gas employ a lot of people in Texas. It's just disingenuous.

The other attacks against Harris that concern me probably more than anything because there isn't much that can be said to counter them, are the attacks against her identity. For an example of what I mean, search 'Tariq Nasheed Kamala harris' on twitter to see what sort of stuff I am talking about. There's a large contingent of folks around him who have a lot of sway, who are saying some very ignorant and divisive things. There some core people there who have some sway with a lot of folks who would usually vote democrat, who may be swayed to not vote based on these words. If I was a republican operative or maybe a foreign government who wanted to harm a candidate, then I would focus in on messages like these and amplify them to make them appear more mainstream and accepted.These tribal and divisive messages are really difficult to combat once they get out of hand. It really is a form of hacking the human mind.

Also, when someone says that Harris is a female Obama and they say it like it's a negative thing, then we probably have totally different ideas about what we want for our country.

*I'm not nessecarily pro-Harris at this point. I'm just anti-bullshit.

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It's great to see California with a Presidential candidate in the running! lunatica Jan 2019 #1
Iowa & New Hampshire have outsized influence NastyRiffraff Jan 2019 #58
Whichever states go first will have an outsized influence. I just wish the first 2 were states... Garrett78 Jan 2019 #70
On the other hand, there's that Nixon and Reagan thing. n/t NNadir Jan 2019 #59
Don't forget the Governator Shwartzenegger! lunatica Jan 2019 #61
When I lived in California, we had Pete Wilson, Senator Hayakawa and a whole host of... NNadir Jan 2019 #63
Yeah, I was there then too lunatica Jan 2019 #64
Yeah. So was I. Very pleasing to see Pete Wilson blow it for GOPers calimary Jan 2019 #86
I am super happy about it too...Love Kamala! yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #69
Hmm baby! roscoeroscoe Jan 2019 #73
hummm baby! yuiyoshida Jan 2019 #80
Sorry you don't think you'll get in but ... Greywing Jan 2019 #2
+1! musette_sf Jan 2019 #3
Ok, I'll say it. I think she's got the "Obama factor" going for her NightWatcher Jan 2019 #4
yup. If nominated I think she will drive turnout larger than 2008. TeamPooka Jan 2019 #11
This made my day! Glimmer of Hope Jan 2019 #5
Her crowd is way bigger than Dirty Donny*s KGOP inauguration Achilleaze Jan 2019 #6
Go Kamala Go! WA-03 Democrat Jan 2019 #7
This is a good point. I'm a Warren fan for her policy proposals on wealth inequal. EndGOPPropaganda Jan 2019 #15
Ooh, I like that ticket very much stopwastingmymoney Jan 2019 #53
Me too! Elect a female team in 2020 on the 100-year anniversary of womens suffrage. OMGWTF Jan 2019 #55
She should have booked the Oakland Coliseum Starry Messenger Jan 2019 #8
ah...yeah. It appears to me she's going to be the major frontrunner in this race, JCanete Jan 2019 #9
She is clearly one of the frontrunners already karynnj Jan 2019 #24
She's not taking corporate PAC money, so I don't see the issue with her donors. ehrnst Jan 2019 #83
Fantastic! honest.abe Jan 2019 #10
Excellent! She's the only one of the candidates I've actually met and I think she's great! SunSeeker Jan 2019 #12
It's waaaaay early sellitman Jan 2019 #13
I tried watching on YouTube. The side comments are just too nasty. These RW-Nazi-lovers stink! allgood33 Jan 2019 #14
CNN will broadcast it when she takes the podium. I would imagine MSNBC too. ! nt UniteFightBack Jan 2019 #16
I know. I just don't bother to read them Farmer-Rick Jan 2019 #18
I saw my first smear on her today in the Daily Mail kimbutgar Jan 2019 #17
Agreed, it's not much of a story.... hopefully she addresses it early so it will go away groundloop Jan 2019 #44
Is this about the guy shanti Jan 2019 #50
My brother is at the rally..nt helpisontheway Jan 2019 #19
Sorry, cally.. but great for Kamala! Cha Jan 2019 #20
BTW, California's primary is now in March ... Auggie Jan 2019 #21
Watching her speak right now - magical oberliner Jan 2019 #22
She was most excellent! n/t mtngirl47 Jan 2019 #48
very good speech scarytomcat Jan 2019 #71
The crowd yelled, "Lock Them Up" as she came to the podium. BigmanPigman Jan 2019 #23
I'm on board. She's a powerhouse civil servant. byronius Jan 2019 #25
She is the recipient of my first donation this cycle. NT Adrahil Jan 2019 #26
I really feel like I am watching the next POTUS oberliner Jan 2019 #27
I said I would not decide until everyone announces and I have time to assess but..... lovemydogs Jan 2019 #30
Home town girl bringing them out lovemydogs Jan 2019 #28
That's not our America malaise Jan 2019 #29
This woman is not just here to sell a book. Mr.Bill Jan 2019 #31
Glad the turnout was so large. Sorry to hear that the primary season is starting already. GoneOffShore Jan 2019 #32
yes that bothers me too scarytomcat Jan 2019 #72
Kamala Harris is . . . peggysue2 Jan 2019 #33
"We will rise together or we will fall together. " mitch96 Jan 2019 #62
Ditto peggysue2 Jan 2019 #68
Excellent. Fuzzpope Jan 2019 #34
I have something in my eye... so inspirational! demmiblue Jan 2019 #35
She has what it takes. backabby-blue Jan 2019 #36
She has me weeping... hope being pulled out of my heart ... "Unity is not uniformity." ancianita Jan 2019 #37
Good. She is a front runner I can be happy and comfortable with... doompatrol39 Jan 2019 #38
It looks like there's a lot of excitement for her. liberalmuse Jan 2019 #39
She looks to be extremely formidable oberliner Jan 2019 #40
She does. liberalmuse Jan 2019 #41
Good point - very diverse crowd oberliner Jan 2019 #43
Impressive speech. She's off and running! B Stieg Jan 2019 #42
WOW! Thanks for the report! Maru Kitteh Jan 2019 #45
I've already seen a fair amount of anti-Harris stuff coming from the "left" Sapient Donkey Jan 2019 #46
plenty of actual people. the left of our party and of the nation has every much the right JCanete Jan 2019 #57
"Vetting" doesn't mean planting propaganda meant as smears, R B Garr Jan 2019 #74
yeah, I see, only one direction is vetting. That's soooo surprising. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #76
You tried the same hyperbole on Feinstein, who is an elected R B Garr Jan 2019 #77
You mean "one direction" the band? ehrnst Jan 2019 #82
Yup. We have a right and absolute duty to vet our candidates. Hortensis Jan 2019 #81
Welcome to DU! IronLionZion Jan 2019 #66
I hope you don't consider studying her governing history roody Jan 2019 #67
Studying, no. Misrepresenting, yes. Applying double standards, yes. (nt) ehrnst Jan 2019 #84
Fair and honest discussions are always welcome and should be encouraged Sapient Donkey Jan 2019 #87
Chills Up and Down My Spine for the Speech She Just Gave . . OldManTarHeel Jan 2019 #47
I feel the same way oberliner Jan 2019 #49
I loved her speech Gothmog Jan 2019 #51
Her speech was excellent. Kath2 Jan 2019 #52
Shoot. I didn't know she was here wryter2000 Jan 2019 #54
Thanks for posting your experience. We're three-fourths of a nation away... KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2019 #56
Didn't catch it but my wife says she reminded her of Obama jcgoldie Jan 2019 #60
Reminded me of RFK oberliner Jan 2019 #78
CSPAN 1 at 6:40 pm PST. I missed it & will catch up then! Hekate Jan 2019 #65
K & R! R B Garr Jan 2019 #75
Great to hear! Harris wants to bring general prosperity, decency Hortensis Jan 2019 #79
My niece stood in that line for hours and got to see her. appleannie1943 Jan 2019 #85
Video Of Rally You Missed corbettkroehler Jan 2019 #88
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