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Gormy Cuss

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41. Similar results in an Aussie study of the outbreaks there.
Tue Aug 21, 2012, 06:08 PM
Aug 2012

The difference seemed linked to the acellular pertussis vaccine losing effectiveness much more quickly than the wholecell vaccine.

And this from a CDC director:

In a media phone call that day, Dr. Anne Schuchat, director of the CDC’s National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, went over the reason for the 20-year-old switch that may have fueled these rising rates of disease. She said:

Wholecell pertussis vaccines are widely used in many parts of the world. But in the U.S., we have not been using them since 1997… The wholecell pertussis vaccines had a fairly high rate of minor and short-term side effects like fever and pain and swelling at the injection site. Those were fairly common reactions. And the acellular pertussis vaccines have a lower rate of the fever and transient side effects. There were also rare, but serious neurologic adverse reactions, including chronic neurologic problems that occurred among children that recently received wholecell vaccines. Studies have not been consistent about whether the vaccine actually caused those chronic neurologic problems. Yet there was substantial public concern about them and not just in the U.S., but in other countries. That led to a concerted effort to develop a vaccine with an improved safety profile.

Schuchat added:

In young children, we think that within a couple of years of vaccination the Dtap series is 95 percent protection. Five years later after the series, we think it wanes to 70 percent. That going down from 95 percent effectiveness to 70 percent may be why we see this increase in the older children or young teens.

http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2012/08/pertussis-vax-effectiveness/

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Anti-vaxers kill another child [View all] cleanhippie Aug 2012 OP
The infant could have easily caught the pertussis from a vaccinated child. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #1
"The longer you went from your last vaccine, the greater your risk of disease," cleanhippie Aug 2012 #4
You sound as hysterical about this as the anti-vaxer do about autism and vaxes. Lionessa Aug 2012 #6
Ahh, the old ad hominem. You stay classy. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #7
You're the one attempting to construct a strawman no matter how many Lionessa Aug 2012 #18
Why do you feel the need to attack me personally? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #20
I have, as have others and yet you seem stuck in the same mud re: this article. Lionessa Aug 2012 #29
You apologized for attacking me personally? cleanhippie Aug 2012 #35
I imagine we'll rationalize the melodrama that validates our own position LanternWaste Aug 2012 #23
Meh. And t risk of sounding childish... cleanhippie Aug 2012 #25
no, I think you did 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #27
+1000 n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #26
the person accusing others of being murderers is telling others to stay classy? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #56
Hysterical? Really? Holy shit, you need to seek a less stressful message board! 11 Bravo Aug 2012 #33
how the fuck could you construe that post as "hysterical"? projecting again? dionysus Aug 2012 #38
All kids have several years between the vaccine and the booster. FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #21
What didn't you understand? "majority of cases were in fully vaccinated children" HiPointDem Aug 2012 #55
It says nothing about it being anti-vax, but that the child was too young for full vax. Lionessa Aug 2012 #2
Here, I will repost the last paragraph for you. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #3
Please point to where in that paragraph, it points to anti-vaxers causing this child's illness? Lionessa Aug 2012 #5
I'm pro-vaxer and I'm only guessing what the OP infers but Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #11
I think you have the crux of what PZ is saying. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #12
Yes, however, most folks are never given boosters, day care workers would be hard pressed Lionessa Aug 2012 #17
Exactly. mzmolly Aug 2012 #39
My children Sgent Aug 2012 #51
Mine never went to daycare, and public schools do not generally require Lionessa Aug 2012 #60
We don't even know if the adult in question, was made aware of the mzmolly Aug 2012 #44
And we have outbreaks of whooping cough and other childhood diseases obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #8
"Anti vaxxers make me so very angry" Agreed, and they put us all at risk. Its really selfish, IMO. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #9
Children on a regular vaccination schedule were more commonly affected FedUpWithIt All Aug 2012 #22
Similar results in an Aussie study of the outbreaks there. Gormy Cuss Aug 2012 #41
This means that in order to have a fully vaccinated population, mzmolly Aug 2012 #45
Clearly you don't understand the issue with pertussis recently. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #10
I agree, somewhat. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #13
I'm not sure it's this huge movement. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #14
It was enough to bring about the reemrgence of nearly eradicated childhood diseases. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #15
Well, I'll have to disagree that's the only cause. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #16
I can concede that. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #19
There is simply no credible data to support your assertion. mzmolly Aug 2012 #47
When did you have your Tdap mzmolly Aug 2012 #32
Two years ago. We have a 3year old and my spouse is a public school teacher. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #34
Tdap or tetanus? mzmolly Aug 2012 #36
Tdap. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #37
Are you saying that only those with a particular philosophy, mzmolly Aug 2012 #43
No, I'm not saying that at all. cleanhippie Aug 2012 #49
I'm not the only person mzmolly Aug 2012 #50
Too many adults think vaccines are only for children NickB79 Aug 2012 #40
Indeed. mzmolly Aug 2012 #46
Rejecting science in favor of superstition must have one heck of an evolutionary advantage 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #24
This could all be resolved with a little transparency ecstatic Aug 2012 #28
This strikes me as similar to the arguments against seatbelts 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #30
So we could resolve this by lying? jeff47 Aug 2012 #48
This kind of reasonable thought is unacceptable. First, it removes an issue as a candidate for Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #52
Anna Polling Sgent Aug 2012 #53
I think you mean Hannah Poling? mzmolly Aug 2012 #57
All those unvaccinated adults are a problem, mzmolly Aug 2012 #31
Would it be unreasonable to suggest Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #42
The majority of those getting sick are up-to-date with their immunizations, which kind of goes HiPointDem Aug 2012 #54
Not nearly enough information to make the statement "anti-vaxers" killed... yawnmaster Aug 2012 #58
In 2009, 94% of the applicable age groups had DPT3+ and 84% had DPT4+. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #59
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