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kennetha

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37. States should not elect the president. The people should
Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jan 2019

The electoral college was designed to protect slave holding states. The first idea proposed at the constitutional convention for electing the president was by direct popular vote. the southern states objected. They objected because although they were nearly as populated as the free Northern States, many more of their inhabitants were denied the franchise. The Electoral college was chosen as a mechanism to protect the slave-holding, franchise-denying South from the electoral weight that free states, that were also less stingy with the franchise, would otherwise have.

Moreover, the electoral college was never ever conceived as a measure of the popular will. Indeed, there is NO requirement whatsoever in the Constitution
that a state even hold an election among its citizens to choose its electors to the electoral college. It wasn't until 1876 that all states even did so. According to the constitution a state may choose its electors in anyway the state legislature thereof sees fit. In the first several decades after the constitution was enacted, legislatures chose their electors in all sorts of different ways.

Moreover, the electoral college was originally envisioned as a deliberative body of wise men, who, in their wisdom, would see to it that person chosen president would serve the constitution and the national interest. In particular, it was never ever envisioned to be what it has gradually become a mere "vote weighing" system that operates mechanically and non-deliberatively to count the votes of some citizens more than the votes of other citizens.

With the rise of a de facto national plebiscite, we now have come to have a system in which we DO measure the popular will by voting in a de facto national election, but we allow a non-deliberative merely formal mechanism that was never intended to function that way to OVERRIDE the will of the people, as measured by our de facto national election.

It is an utter absurdity.

Did you know that you can actually win as little as 23% of the popular vote and still win the majority of the electoral college? Start with the smallest states, when each one by 1 vote, when enough electoral votes to get you 270 that way. Then the remaining votes will not matter. 23% of the popular vote will suffice to give you the presidency.

Do the experiment starting with the largest states. Win each one by 1 vote until you've won enough to give you electoral college victory. Now you'll need a whopping 27% of the total popular vote to secure you the presidency.

It's an ABSURD system. It ought to be abolished! Period!

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So, wealthy people should (in aggregate) have more political clout? brooklynite Jan 2019 #1
They do already fescuerescue Jan 2019 #6
I'm not wealthy. But my brother is. I live in a giver state, he lives in a taker state. Squinch Jan 2019 #27
"I wish we lived in a nation where the majority rules." EX500rider Jan 2019 #2
Do you really want Texas, California and New York deciding who your President is? marble falls Jan 2019 #3
"Usually" maxsolomon Jan 2019 #7
W's wasn't the EC's fault. It was the Secty of State in Florida and Michigan's doing ... marble falls Jan 2019 #11
Every vote should count equally lunamagica Jan 2019 #9
Only if every state and region were balanced. They are not. The fact is that because of Texas's ... marble falls Jan 2019 #14
Yeah, but that influence is waning now, is it not? mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2019 #28
It ebbs and flows. I got here in 1999. The headlines were: "Democrats gain strength in ... marble falls Jan 2019 #31
I want the majority of Americans to choose our Presidents randr Jan 2019 #32
I think that's a false argument. In It to Win It Jan 2019 #38
Do you think that state interests are all the same? Then why are there still agriculteral ... marble falls Jan 2019 #40
Forgive me but... In It to Win It Jan 2019 #41
The EC was set up to prevent two or three states from determining who the President was ... marble falls Jan 2019 #42
It would not be decided by state if the popular vote prevailed treestar Feb 2019 #54
+1 treestar Feb 2019 #49
Why should urban people have the last word on rural policies? Why should a racist white ... marble falls Feb 2019 #50
Rural policies can be at state level too treestar Feb 2019 #53
Do you really want the swing states deciding? treestar Feb 2019 #48
The EC was useful in the early years of this nation..... Little Star Jan 2019 #4
So the wealthiest get more representation than the poor? fescuerescue Jan 2019 #5
Literally, a "poll" tax... brooklynite Jan 2019 #13
Yeah, that sounds fair sarisataka Jan 2019 #8
The founders were cognizant of this issue sdfernando Jan 2019 #10
Yabbut zipplewrath Jan 2019 #16
Granted the system was conceived and created when there were only 13 states sdfernando Jan 2019 #17
Can't zipplewrath Jan 2019 #18
Or just make it like the House of Lords, an interesting artifact of a bygone era with no real power. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #26
That's because the Senate was never meant to represent the interests of the people Revanchist Jan 2019 #21
Well, yes but zipplewrath Jan 2019 #46
Thus we got dumbfuckistan. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #24
We are a union of states. It's right there in the name. *shrug* n/t X_Digger Jan 2019 #12
Interesting theory. former9thward Jan 2019 #15
Not individual persons per se randr Jan 2019 #33
No. Just no. Goodheart Jan 2019 #19
Not really. Captain Stern Jan 2019 #20
You mean like the States that keep their people poor are able to dump on us all? randr Jan 2019 #35
No, that's not what I mean. Captain Stern Jan 2019 #44
My intent was to show that the "argument" I proposed was just as inane as the one we have. randr Jan 2019 #45
I understand now. No apology necessary. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #47
It is not going to change. Cold War Spook Jan 2019 #22
good grief no that is a horrible idea. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #23
Now that would be the obvious solution randr Jan 2019 #36
Actually Apollyonus Jan 2019 #25
Or we could just order people to move to less populous states n/t MichMan Jan 2019 #29
Or we could just directly elect the president. Voltaire2 Jan 2019 #30
It was designed to help slave states. Garrett78 Jan 2019 #34
States should not elect the president. The people should kennetha Jan 2019 #37
The difference is only 4% (23 vs 27?) I'd have thought it'd be larger a diff % frankly ... mr_lebowski Feb 2019 #52
Back in the old days you had to own land to vote... Joe941 Jan 2019 #39
i would be thrilled if we just had a system where the winner of the election gets to be President Takket Jan 2019 #43
If you really wanted to design it for fairness, get rid of it, and have the popular vote determine still_one Feb 2019 #51
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