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WhiskeyGrinder

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49. "Surely we can look deeper into their character and see more than that."

Wed Jan 30, 2019, 08:27 PM

Jan 2019

When I do so, what I see is something intensely familiar to me: Men who have been "granted mulligans" all their lives and have never reflected on the necessity to change and grow, because they believe their hearts and intentions are enough to erase real damage they do through their actions.

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Regarding "Snow White" Bernie Sanders [View all] Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 OP

Thanks, Tom. elleng Jan 2019 #1

I don't think Sanders is racist.... I think he is oblivious. Adrahil Jan 2019 #2

I have no problem with those who share your view Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #3

I agree he is oblivious trixie2 Jan 2019 #8

Being "Realistic" Is Like Being a Battered Wife McKim Jan 2019 #59

I stand by my realistic views trixie2 Jan 2019 #67

Yes, I think Bernie and his followers like a simplistic, one-size-fits-all solution. honest.abe Jan 2019 #10

Heh. progressoid Jan 2019 #18

In the case of Bernie I believe its correct. honest.abe Jan 2019 #20

That's a very astute observation and analysis. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #17

Bernie shot himself in the foot, recently, and probably doesn't even realize it. pnwmom Jan 2019 #4

Some (hopefully small) percentage of people primarily vote for someone they can "relate to"... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #7

It might be insulting. progressoid Jan 2019 #27

It might be very, very, rarely true. But when he claimed in the debate that Hillary was saying pnwmom Jan 2019 #28

Blaming voting on gender isn't limited to him. progressoid Jan 2019 #41

Hillary isn't running. But when she was, she never claimed that race was the only factor pnwmom Jan 2019 #55

I never claimed she said race was the only factor. progressoid Jan 2019 #73

True, you didn't say that about Hillary. But Bernie went FURTHER than Hillary pnwmom Jan 2019 #75

Nowhere in those quotes does she say what you claim kcr Jan 2019 #91

Do tell. What are men like me are thinking? progressoid Jan 2019 #95

It isn't true jcgoldie Jan 2019 #54

Sanders needs to just go away hurple Jan 2019 #5

Bernie should take advantage Pantagruel Jan 2019 #6

That would pit him against Biden n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #9

I know there is a rule against bashing Democrats here, so be it, but why are posts removed about... BamaRefugee Jan 2019 #11

I don't agree with your characterization. I think it serves our interests to have Independents... Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #14

Well, for one thing, he is a member of the Democratic Party Leadership team aikoaiko Jan 2019 #16

+1 Go Vols Jan 2019 #23

I believe that that position murielm99 Jan 2019 #57

Call me crazy, but I like my Democrats to have a (D) by their name. Can you say "Joe Lieberman"? ;-) BamaRefugee Jan 2019 #96

Becaue Skinner says he is a Democrat PDittie Jan 2019 #86

Well said. zentrum Jan 2019 #12

"But Bernie Sanders does not represent white privileged in America, and a casual reader of this WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #13

"unselfconscious white privilege" LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #38

No, I was trying to get at the concept of not being aware of one's own white privilege, WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #44

Fair enough LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #46

+1. Well said. n/t Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #47

"Surely we can look deeper into their character and see more than that." WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #49

What if their actions they do today are actually helping, not damaging? LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #68

If someone keeps slipping up, how do I know they don't mean it? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #87

Thanks for taking the time G_j Jan 2019 #15

Thank you for these very well-reasoned and thought-out thoughts. pangaia Jan 2019 #19

Beautifully said ZeroSomeBrains Jan 2019 #21

some real good post on DU today. Kurt V. Jan 2019 #22

Thank you, Tom. N/t RobertDevereaux Jan 2019 #24

Oh please DownriverDem Jan 2019 #25

White people discussing what it is to be racist, is so often a fail. ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #26

+1 n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #33

Thank you, ism. sheshe2 Jan 2019 #63

+++++++ JHan Jan 2019 #65

I was a delegate to the National Convention Gothmog Jan 2019 #29

There are more than a few people who will not support Sanders charlyvi Jan 2019 #30

+1 n/t Apollyonus Jan 2019 #34

+1 violetpastille Jan 2019 #80

I too think that sort of behavior is very problematic. comradebillyboy Jan 2019 #31

"I personally believe that sanders should have vetted his delegates" progressoid Jan 2019 #43

Were you a delegate to the national convention? Gothmog Jan 2019 #66

Sorry, only went to the state level. progressoid Jan 2019 #74

I have been to good number of state conventions Gothmog Jan 2019 #77

It is not about choosing one candidate or another Apollyonus Jan 2019 #32

Thank You. Paka Jan 2019 #35

"That's what happened in 2016 . . ." Really? man4allcats Jan 2019 #36

100% agree! LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #39

hillary was robbed becsuse of Putin attack on the election which included helping Sanders JI7 Jan 2019 #53

Putin provided a great deal of aid to the sanders campaign Gothmog Jan 2019 #69

"Bernie would have won the general election" - we will never know. MH1 Jan 2019 #60

Sanders was helped by the Russians and he was the one that was robbed? uponit7771 Jan 2019 #89

Excellent Post Geechie Jan 2019 #37

There was a lot of anti-Semitism directed at Bernie, on DU and on the campaign trail Arazi Jan 2019 #40

+1000. Often transparent to anyone paying attention. JudyM Jan 2019 #71

"Sanders is set in his "economic theory of oppression" ways" LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #42

"You cannot legislate away racism. But you can make laws to ensure a more egalitarian society where WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #45

I would argue that its a very good way LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #48

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There are many scholarly articles on the link between poverty and domestic violence. LiberalLovinLug Jan 2019 #70

Sure, there are links. And poverty certainly makes it harder for victims. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2019 #88

Sanders gets blasted for this kind of thinking because a focus on economic issues pnwmom Jan 2019 #76

+1 betsuni Jan 2019 #82

This thread aptly captures my own ambivalent support for Bernie Sanders Boomer Jan 2019 #50

Good post. Caliman73 Jan 2019 #51

So many good posts on this thread, from people with fairly differing opinions about Sanders Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #56

I support Bernie. Whether or not he wins the primary, his voice will be valuable during the debates. earthshine Jan 2019 #58

I guess I do not have to write now MuseRider Jan 2019 #61

"I want younger, female and someone who is not white." earthshine Jan 2019 #81

I was actually thinking only of who I would MuseRider Jan 2019 #92

I start with Bernie because he has the loudest progressive mouth. earthshine Jan 2019 #94

... LexVegas Jan 2019 #62

Since you are sincere... JHan Jan 2019 #64

+1 Garrett78 Jan 2019 #72

but how could lessons be learned from 2016... JHan Jan 2019 #83

Indeed. For 2 years I've been railing against... Garrett78 Jan 2019 #84

Thank you. I read the full article, and I would recommend it to everyone Tom Rinaldo Jan 2019 #90

Sanders slid in easy the last election. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #78

I won't be that surprised if he decides to not run. Garrett78 Jan 2019 #79

"Bernie Math"; OMG that takes me back LongtimeAZDem Jan 2019 #85

Some things never go out of style, I guess. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #98

If that. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #93

Probably will switch back. Caucusing with democrats is his schtick. fleabiscuit Jan 2019 #97