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theboss

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164. The DNC is not equipped to do this type of thing

Tue Feb 5, 2019, 08:45 PM

Feb 2019

The whole Ellison fiasco felt like a good old fashioned white-washing.

He was accused by two women (which puts us squarely in the "pattern" camp which everyone loves), but apparently, he just has really bad luck with relationships.

In fairness, no one outside law enforcement is equipped to handle this sort of thing, as the NFL has so clearly shown over the years. Congress clearly isn't either.

It basically comes back to who you believe.

"Believe all women" is obviously becoming "believe all women except in instances which are profoundly uncomfortable." It's clear that the Al Franken episode happened as it did in part, because he was going to be replaced by a Democrat. A Republican governor in Minnesota would have made that whole episode 50 times more complicated.

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BREAKING: Virginia LG Justin Fairfax sexual assault accuser named [View all] brooklynite Feb 2019 OP

She was named in the original report on the right wing website ... Jarqui Feb 2019 #1

There is no way to prove this...and we will never really know what happened...I am not willing to Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #2

Neither am I Jarqui Feb 2019 #16

They can't win elections so their only hope is attack and attack some more. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #47

That is exactly what is going on here. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #204

should all sexual assault victims be taken seriously? at140 Feb 2019 #101

Yes. Victims of a crime should always be taken seriously. Wouldn't you at least like hear ... marble falls Feb 2019 #119

Personally I take every sexual assault accusation seriously.. at140 Feb 2019 #123

Of course, so should the person who they're accusing. #metoo doesn't equal quilt by accusation. uponit7771 Feb 2019 #121

I don't think that you can ruin a person in a he said she said moment...others came forward. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #203

And so does he Empowerer Feb 2019 #6

For sure. Two credible people. Jarqui Feb 2019 #27

Credible like Dr. Ford. democratisphere Feb 2019 #3

The story is the same. The victim comes out because of the potential job promotion. irresistable Feb 2019 #9

So it's okay for Lt. Governnor? n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #14

I haven't seen anyone here take that position Jarqui Feb 2019 #18

She went to the Washington Post when he ran for Lt. Governor. irresistable Feb 2019 #23

actually no dsc Feb 2019 #26

How do you know that Dr. Tyson has never told anyone? irresistable Feb 2019 #31

Tyson told the Post she'd never told anyone. octoberlib Feb 2019 #49

She seems to be dedicating her life to helping abuse victims and researching sexual abuse. irresistable Feb 2019 #55

Oh, I'm not doubting her word. octoberlib Feb 2019 #62

It does; the accusation is credible but that doesn't mean Fairfax is guilty. An investigation should uponit7771 Feb 2019 #132

I don't believe that an investigation can help in this case. irresistable Feb 2019 #197

+1, the post sounds like they did their due diligence in this case. I remember the past is what sunk uponit7771 Feb 2019 #131

because the Washington post investigated the story dsc Feb 2019 #66

So if the victim stays silent for a period of time, forget the assault charge? at140 Feb 2019 #105

Can we all be honest? We forget it if she accused a Democrat theboss Feb 2019 #169

Exactly same story... at140 Feb 2019 #102

Probably having a beer ? OnDoutside Feb 2019 #107

Probably more than one beer...a 6-pack? at140 Feb 2019 #109

A long time since he had a six pack ! OnDoutside Feb 2019 #112

This is false, Ford told people before BK was selected uponit7771 Feb 2019 #114

Well, this is certainly a depressing development... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2019 #4

My sentiments exactly. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #99

No shit. cwydro Feb 2019 #134

This isn't "breaking news." Her name's been out there since the story surfaced over the weekend. Empowerer Feb 2019 #5

Wow, she looks really credible to me. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #7

He's also credible Empowerer Feb 2019 #12

No but as a woman who was sexually assaulted in college and did not report it. redstatebluegirl Feb 2019 #17

Her timing was exactly the same as Dr. Ford's. irresistable Feb 2019 #39

+1, I'm starting to think the rat**cking part is #metoo is guilt be accusation. uponit7771 Feb 2019 #133

She needs to show proof Yosemito Feb 2019 #8

Like what proof? BlueStater Feb 2019 #78

His lying corroborated it... lame54 Feb 2019 #130

I agree, but I was referring to physical evidence. BlueStater Feb 2019 #135

We may have gotten much closer to truth if repukes Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #156

Didn't you believe Dr Ford? at140 Feb 2019 #113

Only after BK refused FBI investigation, Person A being credible doesn't mean person B is guilty uponit7771 Feb 2019 #115

There must be one standard for all sexual assault cases at140 Feb 2019 #120

Agreed and the standard HAS NEVER BEEN guilt by accusation ... PERIOD. That's not sound thinking... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #122

She wants an investigation? BlueStater Feb 2019 #136

No, the DNC should do an investigation whether she wants it or not. Same thing they did with uponit7771 Feb 2019 #137

Unfortunately in most rape cases there is little absolute proof. moriah Feb 2019 #205

Have they elaborated on the claim of sexual assault? Vinca Feb 2019 #10

Both acknowledge sexual interaction. brooklynite Feb 2019 #21

So unless there was a fly on the wall who can give testimony, there is no proof of either claim. Vinca Feb 2019 #30

Is the new standard "there must be a witness" in sexual assault cases? brooklynite Feb 2019 #36

Are you saying that it should be sufficient for a woman to say "he raped me" for a many to be deemed EffieBlack Feb 2019 #64

The old standard is something like innocent until proven otherwise Jarqui Feb 2019 #83

Nobody is convicting him... brooklynite Feb 2019 #84

Who is bringing it forward? Jarqui Feb 2019 #85

Everything you are saying is a verbatim transcript of the Kavanaugh defenders theboss Feb 2019 #86

I disagree. There are differences Jarqui Feb 2019 #90

Well, MichMary Feb 2019 #106

That is a lot more than this woman has Jarqui Feb 2019 #110

The big difference is we know the people in this case were together theboss Feb 2019 #183

I'm not sure where you are getting your last two points from this dialogue Jarqui Feb 2019 #185

Someone posted today that she just remembered last week that she was raped. Autumn Feb 2019 #124

How would you prove it? Seriously. Vinca Feb 2019 #92

Is your new standard believe everyone no matter what? BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #198

I wasn't aware that a decision had to be made immediately brooklynite Feb 2019 #199

I don't recall any of us taking that view Codeine Feb 2019 #52

The Washington Post either could not find, or did not believe this woman? rzemanfl Feb 2019 #11

She shopped her story to the Post more than a year ago Empowerer Feb 2019 #15

More specifically, they couldn't find any basis to conclude one way or the other onenote Feb 2019 #19

That's what I said Empowerer Feb 2019 #25

Can you quote the Washington Post? Yosemito Feb 2019 #24

Here: onenote Feb 2019 #43

From the Washington Post csziggy Feb 2019 #60

"Shopped her story?" Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #35

One need not ask for money to "shop" a story Empowerer Feb 2019 #37

Saying she "shopped it" certainly makes it sound that way Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #46

Ok - how about this: Empowerer Feb 2019 #53

Approached the Post is more fair and accurate Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #57

A TV Station knew about the allegation wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #188

"shopped" her story? peacefrogman Feb 2019 #48

yes, the smears begin Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #56

I'm only responding to this... Charlotte Little Feb 2019 #141

Not true - they determined it was a he said she said w/o corroboration Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #70

I am assuming that they did not want to be in a position for libel. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #140

Yes, except it's more about no way to prove Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #154

They also didn't believe him. lark Feb 2019 #80

This is a right wing coordinated take down. MrGrieves Feb 2019 #13

Northam not stepping down has nothing to do with Fairfax Empowerer Feb 2019 #20

Why would this woman participate in RW take-down? onenote Feb 2019 #22

Why would a man admit being the guy in blackface smiling next to a Klansman he wasn't? Empowerer Feb 2019 #28

Thanks for the unhelpful non-sequitur. onenote Feb 2019 #32

Not a non-sequitur - an illustration Empowerer Feb 2019 #41

You deflected Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #42

Not at all Empowerer Feb 2019 #45

No you answered with a non-sequitur as the other poster said Bradshaw3 Feb 2019 #51

he might have assumed it was a photo of his michael jackson dancing Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #59

THAT's what his Michael Jackson outfit looked like? Empowerer Feb 2019 #76

I've looked at things without seeing them because my mind was racing Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #94

It's hysterical that the time he dressed in blackface isn't captured by that picture theboss Feb 2019 #95

You're suggesting the state's chief executive, with power over the NationaGuard, among other things, Empowerer Feb 2019 #97

it actually has nothing to do with his official duties Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #108

Too true! peggysue2 Feb 2019 #63

She certainly could be credible. MrGrieves Feb 2019 #38

Somethings not right. Strong background in sexual violence awareness and prevention? bluestarone Feb 2019 #29

actually she reached out to the press in 2017 before he was inaugurated Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #61

Blasey Ford taken seriously? Certainly not by the republicans. Achilleaze Feb 2019 #98

Ford told people YEARS before BK was put on a list IIRC uponit7771 Feb 2019 #117

And I didn't tell anyone until i began therapy years after the fact Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #125

True, none of that He's guilty. #metoo isn't guilt by accusation its at the least believe the uponit7771 Feb 2019 #127

Ford talked about it with her therapist when he was being considered for the DC circuit. Calista241 Feb 2019 #163

I understand what you are saying theboss Feb 2019 #181

Doesn't look good. She has a strong resume. jalan48 Feb 2019 #33

Is there anyone left who believes this is not the work of Roger Stone??? PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #34

Feeling Like A Coordinated RF ProfessorGAC Feb 2019 #65

Agreed about the RF. mahina Feb 2019 #69

So this woman is conspiring with Roger Stone? theboss Feb 2019 #72

Did I say that? mahina Feb 2019 #143

You said Roger Stone is causing this theboss Feb 2019 #157

Tina Dupuy is a dyed-in-the-wool Democrat wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #189

Yep...and/or his minions. They are trying to get AA's against Northam and MeToo against Fairfax Baltimike Feb 2019 #166

She's hired the same law firm that represented Christine Blasey Ford inwiththenew Feb 2019 #40

Wow - would have never hired them in a zillion years. nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #71

So? 2naSalit Feb 2019 #73

I thought this was investigated MFM008 Feb 2019 #44

The Attorney General is next in line, I believe. A democrat. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #50

I wonder where that AG stands on abortion rights, the first issue mahina Feb 2019 #68

How do you know there are no skeletons in his closet? LisaL Feb 2019 #145

How do you know Northam doesn't have more skeletons in HIS closet? Empowerer Feb 2019 #149

I didn't say there weren't or that they couldn't be manufactured. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #150

Soon Gillibrand will be telling him to resign too...nt helpisontheway Feb 2019 #54

This seems far more credible than I initially thought Va Lefty Feb 2019 #58

I'm sure Republicans are doing a happy dance now DBoon Feb 2019 #67

I believe the Attorney General is next in line. Another Dem. n/t rzemanfl Feb 2019 #74

We need to figure out the rules here theboss Feb 2019 #75

Classic he said she said bpj62 Feb 2019 #77

The problem is that you can't make this a RW conspiracy without implicating her theboss Feb 2019 #81

Yes you can bpj62 Feb 2019 #82

That's the million$$$ question. Ufta88 Feb 2019 #87

How did Drudge get the Lewinsky scandal? theboss Feb 2019 #88

Linda Tripp or Lucianne Goldberg bpj62 Feb 2019 #91

And everything they said was largely true theboss Feb 2019 #93

Wow thst is a Stretch bpj62 Feb 2019 #103

Clearly, they were attracted to each other..... theboss Feb 2019 #159

Once again the hit squad is out in force bpj62 Feb 2019 #171

Does a RW troll website publishing this make her a liar? theboss Feb 2019 #89

Nice trap there bpj62 Feb 2019 #96

Yes it makes it suspect. rockfordfile Feb 2019 #184

Remember how last weekend the fact that Northam's picture was released by a far right website EffieBlack Feb 2019 #187

I'm defending the accusor theboss Feb 2019 #191

Actually you can Empowerer Feb 2019 #139

So was she lying in her Facebook post? theboss Feb 2019 #161

I don't know. Do you? Empowerer Feb 2019 #165

This is the crux of the matter, I believe MrsMatt Feb 2019 #100

I don't know what to think about this. BlueStater Feb 2019 #79

Fairfax is an intelligent, successful, well-educated man who has no history of assaulting women Empowerer Feb 2019 #142

And Bill Cosby was a beloved celebrity until he wasn't. BlueStater Feb 2019 #151

You're making my point Empowerer Feb 2019 #158

Not really. BlueStater Feb 2019 #162

So it's on him to prove he didn't do it. Empowerer Feb 2019 #167

That's pretty much what we demanded of Kavanaugh theboss Feb 2019 #168

No, it's not Empowerer Feb 2019 #170

Maybe I'm not remembering the Kavanaugh saga well theboss Feb 2019 #172

Agreement that "something of a sexual nature occurred" is NOT corroboration of rape! Empowerer Feb 2019 #174

It's collaboration that they met and something happened theboss Feb 2019 #175

So every time a man meets a woman and has sex with her, he has to worry that could be evidence Empowerer Feb 2019 #176

I don't know the last time you dated, but....the answer is kinda yea.... theboss Feb 2019 #177

We're done here Empowerer Feb 2019 #179

No, you didn't say that EffieBlack Feb 2019 #193

What outrageous thing didn't I say? theboss Feb 2019 #195

Here's the thing. BlueStater Feb 2019 #178

That doesn't even make any sense Empowerer Feb 2019 #180

What about it doesn't make any sense? BlueStater Feb 2019 #182

I honestly am deeply uncomfortable with this "no other accusor" idea theboss Feb 2019 #194

This ain't good. nt UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #104

The Kavanaugh decision has set the precedent. There is even less evidence than for Dr Ford. Should OnDoutside Feb 2019 #111

No, Ford came forward years before KNaw was put on a list uponit7771 Feb 2019 #118

I agree but there's a conversation that people need to have about OnDoutside Feb 2019 #126

My understanding is #metoo was at least believe the accuser enough to investigate which wasn't ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #128

Two people in hotel room many years ago. LisaL Feb 2019 #144

"What do you think investigation could possibly come up with? " ... Facts and under oath statements uponit7771 Feb 2019 #147

Valid-Valid-Valid..very Valid point at140 Feb 2019 #152

Both of them agree they were in a hotel room. LisaL Feb 2019 #153

Which - again - is way more than we ever got in the Kavanaugh discussion theboss Feb 2019 #173

He claims the encounter was consensual, she apparently claims otherwise. LisaL Feb 2019 #196

So because we lost on Kavanaugh, we simply give up on holding politicians accountable? theboss Feb 2019 #160

Holding politicians accountable or using unsubstantiated allegations to destroy OnDoutside Feb 2019 #200

When there is Zero Tolerance for GOPers, these accusations hit us too. I hope it works out. Hoyt Feb 2019 #116

+1, at minimum there should be an investigation which is what did NOT happen with Franken or Ford uponit7771 Feb 2019 #129

The Democratic candidates for President should be saying for trump to resign. rockfordfile Feb 2019 #186

Not good. n/t demmiblue Feb 2019 #138

This is such a strange story. The sexual encounter happened in 2004 underthematrix Feb 2019 #146

+1, I think the DNC would do themselves some good by investigating the accusation like what happened uponit7771 Feb 2019 #148

In Ellison's case accusations were found to be unsubstantiated. LisaL Feb 2019 #155

The DNC is not equipped to do this type of thing theboss Feb 2019 #164

No, we didn't believe Franken's accusers wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #190

And we've never said "Believe all women" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #192

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Feb 2019 #202

Is there a Go Fund me account set up yet? MichMan Feb 2019 #201