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UTUSN

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14. O.K., this particular hypothetical is over the top. Why something about OBAMA that
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 12:50 AM
Feb 2019

is totally imaginative and totally out of character for him? Really.

To play along, *IF* such any allegation were lodged against HIM, it would and should get whatever test of credibility that could be mustered.

This is a totally strawman argument. If we're really talking about the LT Governor of Virginia (let's not be coy), it is completely irrelevant to an artificial parallel to OBAMA.

These posts, yes, by you/somebody I would tend to support/EffieBlack, previously led me to the post below. I'm asking you to be honest: Are you on a tear just because allegations are being made about an African American? I'm on the lookout constantly for Repuke Dirty Tricks. I have no idea about the LT Gov, and after the sources being wignut, doubts about the Governor of Virginia either.

Anyway, for me, IF somebody in my Demo coalition is guilty, that person is not a Dem for me anymore, that person is on their own. I just have to be SURE either way. But for now I'm really upset at the hypothetical false crap dragging OBAMA into it.

*********** O.P. I posted before because of previous straw:
so as not to be coy::

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100211774060

Each of us probably has membership in a "home" facet of the coalition: Racial/ethnic, gender, social/civil/economic justice, environmental, et al. - each sub-set with their individual #1 agenda item, but below that one, it's all subsumed with all the rights issues we all have in common.

I will say that in our current iteration of being divided among ourselves it appears that in the foreground among some of us is individual loyalty to our own sub-group, precedence over our ultimate unity to the coalition.

Iow, if a member in my own smaller sub-group gets accused of whatever criminal or other wrong-doing, the accusations being true, that fellow member of mine is dead to me. They lose all claim to the "Democratic" label.

Remember when there was "an abortion doctor" who committed crimes of death of both women and/or their newborns? The wingnut outlets kept labeling him as an "abortion doctor" as their usual way of denigrating Pro-Choice. I say now as then that he was neither a doctor nor performing abortions: He was simply a serial killer who used medical techniques as his m.o. of choice. It had nothing to do with his being supposedly a member of the Democratic coalition, nothing to do with "pro-Choice" or of whatever race or ethnicity usually associated with the Dem coalition.

Iow (again), if a member of whatever sub-group of the Dem coalition commits crimes or malfeasance, that person is on their own. If somebody doesn't "get" what I'm saying, please just pass on by.

*****END of the lack of coyness.





We have promoted a "no benefit of the doubt" hysteria here. Such things come back to bite us. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #1
There are things I would not believe of Barack Obama, & nonconsensual sex is one of them... Hekate Feb 2019 #2
How well did you know Obama in 2007? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #3
Well you got here in 2007, but you never seem to know who I am, so I'll explain again... Hekate Feb 2019 #16
Oh. I apologize for not committing your history, views and impressions of Obama to memory EffieBlack Feb 2019 #20
smdh Hekate Feb 2019 #21
I read every word of it EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24
But that's because we KNOW him now. Pretend this was back in 2004 and we didn't know him. What then? pnwmom Feb 2019 #33
I addressed the questions put to me by EB, and told her more about me than I probably should... Hekate Feb 2019 #38
Check your mail Hekate Feb 2019 #41
They would have impeached, indicted, imprisoned and popped the champagne by now. Initech Feb 2019 #4
Or what if he barged into the Miss Teen USA locker room? Blue Owl Feb 2019 #5
He wasn't... brooklynite Feb 2019 #6
Yes. It says that he was never accused of rape EffieBlack Feb 2019 #8
Perhaps he wasn't accused of rape because there was nothing approaching evidence? brooklynite Feb 2019 #9
You think evidence is the prerequisite for someone to be accused of rape? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22
What evidence has been produced against Fairfax? Did I miss something? pnwmom Feb 2019 #43
Have you read her very detailed statement? n/t theboss Feb 2019 #45
No, I'll go look for it now. Thanks. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #46
Republicans are turning #metoo into guilty by accusation vs believe the accuser and investigate uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7
Since the Franken hatchet-job went so well, the GOP believes they oasis Feb 2019 #12
So now ANY accusation against a Democratic Office-Holder should be discounted? brooklynite Feb 2019 #13
If there's anything Dems are good at, it's the unnecessary over-correction theboss Feb 2019 #15
Dukakis in the tank. nt oasis Feb 2019 #29
case by case. But then, you knew that. oasis Feb 2019 #18
Okay - case by case. There's no evidence that this incident is a "hatchet job"... brooklynite Feb 2019 #37
Come on with the obvious strawman fallacy ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #32
A good article about this wildflower Feb 2019 #39
No, not discounted. But there should be some EVIDENCE beyond a Facebook post. nt pnwmom Feb 2019 #44
It looks like they may be right. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #26
Democrats will prevail. The GOP always overplays its hand. nt oasis Feb 2019 #28
Then he probably wouldn't have been president theboss Feb 2019 #10
Yes. I's good that he didn't rape anyone. And it's also good that no one accused him of raping them EffieBlack Feb 2019 #23
You mean, it's good no one accused him of rape. Because that's all we have right now. pnwmom Feb 2019 #36
Has Lt. Gov. Fairfax been forced out of anything? brooklynite Feb 2019 #11
O.K., this particular hypothetical is over the top. Why something about OBAMA that UTUSN Feb 2019 #14
This is the danger inherent in identity politics theboss Feb 2019 #17
To be clear for ME, "identity politics" & "trend in the Dem party" & "black woman/black man" UTUSN Feb 2019 #19
But we don't have any more reason to think that Fairfax was capable of this pnwmom Feb 2019 #35
Since the thread kicked up I'll reply here. There's something just flawed about bringing OBAMA in. UTUSN Feb 2019 #40
Yes, I was assuming that Obama would have been FALSELY accused, pnwmom Feb 2019 #42
he was accused of killing his gay lovers who he did drugs with JI7 Feb 2019 #25
He wasn't? jberryhill Feb 2019 #27
Wait wait, ooh pick me! Pick me! I know! jberryhill Feb 2019 #31
I admire Barack Obama more than any other modern day politician PTWB Feb 2019 #30
But that's because we know Obama well now. What if this happened when he was just a state politician pnwmom Feb 2019 #34
Do you think the fact we railroaded Al Franken is coming back to haunt us? Joe941 Feb 2019 #47
Yes. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #48
To be honest, all of this is far too triggering for me. moriah Feb 2019 #49
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