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38. every pol affected by this right now in Va. is responsible for defending their own actions
Wed Feb 6, 2019, 11:25 PM
Feb 2019

...there's ALWAYS a prospect of political opposition exploiting past mistakes and embarrassments.

That doesn't make politicians any less responsible for maintaining their public integrity throughout any examination of their past. It's not as if we will (or should) eliminate opposition research.

We need clear standards of investigation in cases like this, in both ethics and law, with remedies and penalties appropriate to the incidents alleged or uncovered. Many of the issues we're dealing with today are suffering from a clear path to reconciliation, accountability, or justice. Establishing and exercising those (as well as existing regs and legal remedies) would do much more than highlighting obvious, perpetual biases in our political system.

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Yes. elleng Feb 2019 #1
Thankfully What is happening in VA is because of #metoo and #BLM KWR65 Feb 2019 #2
Oh right, blame black lives matter, elleng Feb 2019 #4
Blame? I am thankful that #metoo and #BLM are exposing sexism and racism. KWR65 Feb 2019 #9
Probably a good idea to have put this second part as part of your original response. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #25
Not, that's playing their game. We don't have to explain why Me too and BLM are important. MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #44
Believe it or not, I've run into some Democrats and progressives musicblind Feb 2019 #54
Did you see the responses the post got? Caliman73 Feb 2019 #68
What's your reasoning? MrScorpio Feb 2019 #6
You are crazy jll600 Feb 2019 #63
It is not racist. I support the #metoo and #blm movement. KWR65 Feb 2019 #89
Oh fuck no. ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #67
No one forced Northam to have that horrible press conference manor321 Feb 2019 #3
Right, appear to be judgment issues, elleng Feb 2019 #7
Yeah, that was a disaster. For a minute there I thought... brush Feb 2019 #26
Agree. If you know you are going to be in the Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #39
I think so. elleng Feb 2019 #47
Like Franken probably should have nt Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #59
Yep shellyleit Feb 2019 #72
Maybe we should just let the person decide whether to quit or not. Just throwing that out there Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #94
I totally agree. dubyadiprecession Feb 2019 #114
Isn't this just like many here think about Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #131
I also agree... myohmy2 Feb 2019 #129
I have parallel views on this. NRaleighLiberal Feb 2019 #5
Yes, and they know we will all demand that our accused Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #62
Didn't a republican step down just last week for wearing blackface years before? n/t hughee99 Feb 2019 #84
it wasnt generic blackface Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #99
I think the poster was suggesting that only dems resign hughee99 Feb 2019 #115
No one said it was ok. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #127
We were on the cusp of ratifying the ERA... renegade000 Feb 2019 #8
Point. Duppers Feb 2019 #49
That, and they are outraged that Northam spoke in spooky3 Feb 2019 #70
I agree. The people are at risk if the repubs get power. No redistricting. 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #85
These cretins should be run out of office. PSPS Feb 2019 #10
Beg to differ with that. (DA). It was very common for Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #66
100% agree. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #83
What happens to the voters if repubs grab power? What about the redistricting? 58Sunliner Feb 2019 #86
Carefully coordinated is the key. If we panic, we lose VA for a generation. lagomorph777 Feb 2019 #107
I wish Tom Perriello had won the primary. He was a better choice dem4decades Feb 2019 #11
Seemed pretty lame to me, elleng Feb 2019 #17
He didn't make that case to the VA voters. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #104
And another person who doesn't know what ratfucking is. theboss Feb 2019 #12
I sense that you have a great deal of knowledge on the subject. OilemFirchen Feb 2019 #18
I like politics theboss Feb 2019 #19
Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks. IronLionZion Feb 2019 #30
+1 2naSalit Feb 2019 #58
...... ehrnst Feb 2019 #105
What's the path forward? ecstatic Feb 2019 #13
Yep. There are no good choices here. SunSeeker Feb 2019 #35
I agree idahoblue Feb 2019 #78
Granted he did himself some major damage with that but there have been a number of politicians who cstanleytech Feb 2019 #45
That's what Trump does shellyleit Feb 2019 #75
No, if Trump did that he would shut his mouth and stay off twitter. cstanleytech Feb 2019 #77
As far as Northam and Herring are concerned, there is no way that they didn't know Arkansas Granny Feb 2019 #14
True we should not condone it but I am not sure if throwing both of them under the bus is the best cstanleytech Feb 2019 #46
I could not disagree more strongly. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #128
It's been evident since the start. This Shitstorm blew into town right after Stone was arrested. PubliusEnigma Feb 2019 #15
Yeah even Rachel is covering it. Damn her for it. triron Feb 2019 #28
What do we do about it? lame54 Feb 2019 #16
Name the Republicans that tricked Amos and Andy into wearing black face? theboss Feb 2019 #20
??? padah513 Feb 2019 #103
Explain how the conservatives forced Northam or Herring to put on blackface... brooklynite Feb 2019 #21
Why does anyone give a fuck about what happened 35 years ago? Except those that want to screw with triron Feb 2019 #29
THIS. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2019 #42
I agree. Getting ridiculous. Especially when we have a traitor and likely Russian agent in the WH. triron Feb 2019 #51
Exactly Owl Feb 2019 #90
I agree BUT MFM008 Feb 2019 #22
Ratfucking was the practice of making up negative stories about Nixon's opponents... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #23
Wrong. Hekate Feb 2019 #32
Ratfucking DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #33
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #37
K&R, uponit7771 Feb 2019 #24
We're being hoisted on our own petard. jalan48 Feb 2019 #27
Yes there is, and thank you for saying it. Hekate Feb 2019 #31
Indeed. Empowerer Feb 2019 #34
They're obviously not all going to resign madville Feb 2019 #36
every pol affected by this right now in Va. is responsible for defending their own actions bigtree Feb 2019 #38
Yes. This is the only move the GOP has - and the media is gleeful to get on board. EveHammond13 Feb 2019 #40
Yes there is definitely an indication that right wingers are pushing this situation. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #41
And they're getting lots of help Empowerer Feb 2019 #48
What help? Caliman73 Feb 2019 #71
I don't what to think of all this MustLoveBeagles Feb 2019 #43
Yeah, and all I can think of is that bastard Stone doing his Nixon impersonation ..... groundloop Feb 2019 #50
There's a good discussion thread you might want to read MustLoveBeagles Feb 2019 #126
knr...avoid the circular firing squad. They runnin' game. nt Baltimike Feb 2019 #52
Think Al Franken and Mme. Defarge Feb 2019 #53
+100 Duppers Feb 2019 #55
Avec plaisir! Mme. Defarge Feb 2019 #57
+1, #metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation. #NoFranken2.0!!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #109
K & R. Thread. Duppers Feb 2019 #56
It's not ratfucking when it's true Generic Brad Feb 2019 #60
It seems to suggest that Turbineguy Feb 2019 #61
Franken's ratfuck showed the way flamingdem Feb 2019 #64
Yep. DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #65
i think it's not about perfection, more of a complete ethical split between the 2 major parties 0rganism Feb 2019 #76
Yes indeed DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #101
Yes there is shellyleit Feb 2019 #69
If I think Fairfax assaulted her, I'm obliged to support him because we're Democrats theboss Feb 2019 #74
Did someone say you were obliged to support him? ChubbyStar Feb 2019 #81
Yes theboss Feb 2019 #113
It's a long thread. Can you link? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #124
No link? Perhaps you misunderstood what you read.(nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #125
Maybe your daughters will ask, How do you know what happened, Mom? Why are you so sure? Demit Feb 2019 #87
I'd probably answer: "She's a respected Democratic College Professor..." brooklynite Feb 2019 #97
"The most important thing, dears, is never to allow that such a thing as reasonable doubt exists. Demit Feb 2019 #108
You should write screenplays. ehrnst Feb 2019 #100
Seems like MSNBC is in on it. triron Feb 2019 #73
2020 Census moondust Feb 2019 #79
The Republicans dig up something a Democrat did decades ago and we doc03 Feb 2019 #80
Exactly. triron Feb 2019 #82
What you call "something a Democrat did decades ago" is very serious Empowerer Feb 2019 #88
I find it extremely hard to believe that there are that many people that didn't make doc03 Feb 2019 #116
There ARE many people who didn't make racist comments 35 years ago Empowerer Feb 2019 #117
You must have lived in tatally different country than I did. I remember in high school doc03 Feb 2019 #119
This message was self-deleted by its author Empowerer Feb 2019 #120
How does Hayes telling a racist joke in 1964 prove that everybody made racist comments 35 years ago Empowerer Feb 2019 #121
I never said everybody made racist comments back then but there were certainly more that did than doc03 Feb 2019 #123
It 100% is, Mr. Scorpio obamanut2012 Feb 2019 #91
Been saying that from the beginning. GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #92
Mr Scorpio Sees Clearly Vogon_Glory Feb 2019 #93
Imagine if there weren't any public photos to reveal... brooklynite Feb 2019 #96
Like I Was Saying... Vogon_Glory Feb 2019 #112
He did none of those things. theboss Feb 2019 #118
Right on target! nt raccoon Feb 2019 #95
She JUST HAPPENED to come forward with this now. I hope to Dog he doesnt resign. raccoon Feb 2019 #98
She is an African American Democratic feminist activist. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #102
She came forward well before now Shrek Feb 2019 #106
That's when he was going to run for office, not before like Ford uponit7771 Feb 2019 #110
absolutely DBoon Feb 2019 #111
+1000 Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #122
I could see me doing this in 1984! We need some perspective here. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #130
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