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Thu Feb 7, 2019, 09:29 AM

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Come on Bernie!! [View all] boston bean Feb 2019 OP

He is horrible on issues of race. Its disqualifying in itself. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #1

"I've said black fifty times", yells Bernie boston bean Feb 2019 #2

Thats because someone in the audience heckled him. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #7

Ah no. His next sentence is "this is a national issue". boston bean Feb 2019 #8

No? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #12

Yeah he was interrupted but not for saying African American as you state is the case. boston bean Feb 2019 #13

It seemed to me that the interruption happened right after he said the words "African American liberalnarb Feb 2019 #18

Wrong. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #27

Got anything of substance to say? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #33

Covering for Bernie miscues on race is substance? LexVegas Feb 2019 #35

"Covering"? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #39

You are being forgivingly apologetic Apollyonus Feb 2019 #129

Bernie is not uneducated on the issues, at least not in contrast with most any other white liberalnarb Feb 2019 #134

I think that is incorrect. Apollyonus Feb 2019 #136

Well, "think" is the keyword in this instance. eom liberalnarb Feb 2019 #138

No. n/t QC Feb 2019 #87

Bullshit. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #16

Cant believe he said that. honest.abe Feb 2019 #22

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #24

Forget Bernie DownriverDem Feb 2019 #101

This! BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #106

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #3

we all know who Bernie is by now jcgoldie Feb 2019 #4

Why can't he speak to both?? That question deserves an answer. boston bean Feb 2019 #5

Good question jcgoldie Feb 2019 #6

The racial mix of the state that elected him is 98% white. ehrnst Feb 2019 #26

I guess one could say that he doesn't see race, LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #57

We need someone better than this to be our party's nominee. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #9

We have several very good candidates in our party 2naSalit Feb 2019 #61

The cream will rise to the top. I'm certain of it. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #70

I agree. 2naSalit Feb 2019 #78

I agree that Bernie's response in this instance was dissapointing liberalnarb Feb 2019 #10

Then here was the perfect time to speak to it again. boston bean Feb 2019 #14

I agree but not doing so doesn't render his past activism on the issue irrelevant. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #25

This is 2019. boston bean Feb 2019 #29

Ok? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #32

From HRC's POTUS campaign website: ehrnst Feb 2019 #56

At what point did I mention Hillary? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #58

You mentioned the 2016 campaign, and the topic of mass incarceration ehrnst Feb 2019 #59

It is a Democratic issue but I was responding to the assertion that Bernie Sanders never addressed liberalnarb Feb 2019 #65

I'm not seeing where Boston Bean asserted ehrnst Feb 2019 #71

He is not a racist... but he simply doesnt get it. honest.abe Feb 2019 #21

+1... SidDithers Feb 2019 #28

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #31

Ok, but what about holding hours long forums specifically revolving around the issues? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #36

Or another valid question would be... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #50

What would it look like if he was sensitive to these issues in the way you say he is not now? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #51

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #53

I suppose, but I just thought that since there is such certainty that he is not sensitive to those liberalnarb Feb 2019 #54

Isn't that something that all candidates for POTUS face? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #64

Well, yes, but the focus in this thread seems to be on a perceived deficit liberalnarb Feb 2019 #67

It is not a "perceived deficit" Apollyonus Feb 2019 #127

That's a little like demanding an Atheist prove there is no God. nt Mars and Minerva Feb 2019 #68

No, discussions of religion revolve purely around abstraction. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #74

Maybe he should have more forums and seminars Apollyonus Feb 2019 #139

He said Obama should be primaried because of his pivot to the right on Social Security. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #141

Cool story bro n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #144

Your immaturity is noted. I'm signing off now. nt liberalnarb Feb 2019 #145

See my response below... Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #118

Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #124

Just offering my 2c Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #125

Maybe not shout an answer, just once? Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #115

Again, I agree that Sanders' handling of the question was bad, liberalnarb Feb 2019 #117

But you ask what it would look like if he were sensitive to those issues Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #121

What exactly would that "demonstrated attitude" be? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #123

Sanders has addressed issues of race a multitude of times. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #131

Clearly the AA community and other POC are underwhelmed. I wonder why.... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #135

If a candidate who had never shown any depth or adeptness with women's issues Empowerer Feb 2019 #84

Are you implying that Bernie has never showed any depth adeptness on racial issues? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #110

You make a great point there. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #128

The fundamental problem with Bernie is that he seems to need these forums more than the voters theboss Feb 2019 #104

The forums were set up to give the real people who face these issues a voice liberalnarb Feb 2019 #111

And Sanders got 20 percent of their vote theboss Feb 2019 #114

There may have been a disconnect, but I'm pushing back against a narrative that seems to liberalnarb Feb 2019 #116

Are his numbers with minorities rising or are his numbers with whites dropping? theboss Feb 2019 #119

CNN Polling showed Sanders has highest approval rating among non-white voters. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #120

Misleading. That poll also shows Sanders with the highest unfavorable rating among non-white voters. honest.abe Feb 2019 #143

Nailed it! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #149

If the 1015 respondents to that poll are a cross-section of the US population, that would mean: George II Feb 2019 #162

Kinda reminds me of the "most popular" poll we hear so much about... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #163

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #140

This is where I sign off. Not that there was ever a chance of anyones mind being changed anyway. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #142

Minds are changed by words and deeds. Not by spin. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #157

IMHO Apollyonus Feb 2019 #126

.... ehrnst Feb 2019 #62

Wait until the threads start that attack Kamala, watoos Feb 2019 #40

There have already been numerous criticisms of Kamala on this board. honest.abe Feb 2019 #46

I agree... yuiyoshida Feb 2019 #90

She also doesn't think she is a messiah n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #137

The legendary "Primary Season" at DU.... Mars and Minerva Feb 2019 #73

To me, "not getting it", especially as a national figure who wants to represent the Dem party, efhmc Feb 2019 #72

Another apologetically forgiving stance Apollyonus Feb 2019 #132

K&R Gothmog Feb 2019 #11

It's not 2016 Freddie Feb 2019 #15

Bernie didn't even get in the race yet did he? watoos Feb 2019 #41

He hasn't Apollyonus Feb 2019 #133

"I don't think he believes that systemic oppression exists unless its caused by unfair distribution" honest.abe Feb 2019 #17

That's part of the problem, but far from all of it... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #55

Racial discrimination, systematic violence and voter suppression are all very much intertwined. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #113

These issues are tied together, no? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #112

K&R betsuni Feb 2019 #19

I do not think ... BigOleDummy Feb 2019 #20

Well put, watoos Feb 2019 #43

Exactly. honest.abe Feb 2019 #49

Agreed. Saviolo Feb 2019 #105

No one has implied that he is racist frazzled Feb 2019 #148

It's all he knows...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #23

"The Root" just crushed Bernie on this issue. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2019 #30

The top comment to the article.. honest.abe Feb 2019 #34

Well, alrighty then Empowerer Feb 2019 #89

Oh come on! He DID rename two post offices in Vermont n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #146

That was interesting, Dinah.. Cha Feb 2019 #38

What nonsense. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #42

The "Bernie Bros" were created by Russia. watoos Feb 2019 #45

Agreed. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #47

According to wikipedia, Robinson Meyer, a writer for The Atlantic, coined the term "Bernie bro".. honest.abe Feb 2019 #48

Thanks.. they're real. Cha Feb 2019 #52

Mmm not really. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #63

Yes they are shenmue Feb 2019 #76

Maybe on Twitter. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #77

Yes they are. Cha Feb 2019 #80

Mostly on Twitter. Not so much elsewhere. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #81

All over Twitter. Cha Feb 2019 #82

And what do we know about how well the twittersphere reflects the population? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #96

there's no denying they're Cha Feb 2019 #170

They're certainly not a widespread phenomenon. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #171

Too wide. Cha Feb 2019 #173

And another site which shall not be named Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #122

That's right.. and I know Cha Feb 2019 #166

Bazinga! George II Feb 2019 #168

Yes, and elsewhere, too. George II Feb 2019 #160

Exactly what I told Cha Feb 2019 #167

Yep ... Apollyonus Feb 2019 #147

The point is that the divide was milked by the Russians to solidify the divide between Sanders and liberalnarb Feb 2019 #60

Someone said "created" by the Russians. honest.abe Feb 2019 #69

This is true, & regretfully, its still bring used today. nt yaesu Feb 2019 #88

I was wrong to say created, watoos Feb 2019 #83

Seems to be no doubt the Russians at some point jumped on "bernie bro" thing to sow discord. honest.abe Feb 2019 #94

Technically speaking, any vote that did not directly benefit the Democratic candidate... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #66

They either voted for Trump or Stein or didn't vote for POTUS at all. Apollyonus Feb 2019 #150

I like what Bernie has to say about many issues, but safeinOhio Feb 2019 #37

Bernie Means Well... dlk Feb 2019 #44

Well said and without the vitriol I feel. efhmc Feb 2019 #75

I disagree that he means well Apollyonus Feb 2019 #152

;) dlk Feb 2019 #172

Oh dear. "I've said black fifty times" could be his Croney Feb 2019 #79

Clearly he let his frustration show in a rude and disrespectful way. honest.abe Feb 2019 #91

Lol MoonRiver Feb 2019 #107

I remember when HRC was heckled by BLM activists ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #85

Hillary invited the BLM protesters for a personal chat Apollyonus Feb 2019 #155

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #164

... Scurrilous Feb 2019 #86

What event was this? Recent? nt yaesu Feb 2019 #92

Looks like from 2016 honest.abe Feb 2019 #98

Thank you, I was just concerned about rehashing the last Democratic presidential primary yaesu Feb 2019 #99

Rehashing the 2016 primary is pretty much the sole purpose of DU now. n/t QC Feb 2019 #109

I don't think he heard the question Renew Deal Feb 2019 #93

When you know one Tune really well MyNameGoesHere Feb 2019 #95

I think this is from an event in 2016. honest.abe Feb 2019 #97

Thank you for pointing this out. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #103

This guy has me blocked on twitter.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #100

He did? How rude! I wonder why. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #108

I can't Cha Feb 2019 #169

He lost black women voters 80 to 20 versus Hillary theboss Feb 2019 #102

Down with identity politics. Now, let's talk about white people. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #130

Lol! Empowerer Feb 2019 #153

lol n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #154

When people tell you who the are believe them. Bernie is no racist by and means. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #151

Then he shouldn't be running for national office Apollyonus Feb 2019 #156

Bernie had this problem in 2016. apnu Feb 2019 #158

The video is from 2016. n/t QC Feb 2019 #159

What? This shouldn't shock anyone... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #161

Yup. Bernie being Bernie. NT Adrahil Feb 2019 #165