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44. Bernie Means Well...

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 10:06 AM

Feb 2019

Bernie has his staunch supporters. However, I believe his time as a viable candidate and his ability to secure enough votes to win a presidential election, has passed. If he decides to run anyway, well, we saw what happened in 2016. Independent and third party candidates never win an election but, instead, often change the outcome.

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Come on Bernie!! [View all] boston bean Feb 2019 OP

He is horrible on issues of race. Its disqualifying in itself. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #1

"I've said black fifty times", yells Bernie boston bean Feb 2019 #2

Thats because someone in the audience heckled him. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #7

Ah no. His next sentence is "this is a national issue". boston bean Feb 2019 #8

No? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #12

Yeah he was interrupted but not for saying African American as you state is the case. boston bean Feb 2019 #13

It seemed to me that the interruption happened right after he said the words "African American liberalnarb Feb 2019 #18

Wrong. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #27

Got anything of substance to say? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #33

Covering for Bernie miscues on race is substance? LexVegas Feb 2019 #35

"Covering"? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #39

You are being forgivingly apologetic Apollyonus Feb 2019 #129

Bernie is not uneducated on the issues, at least not in contrast with most any other white liberalnarb Feb 2019 #134

I think that is incorrect. Apollyonus Feb 2019 #136

Well, "think" is the keyword in this instance. eom liberalnarb Feb 2019 #138

No. n/t QC Feb 2019 #87

Bullshit. nt LexVegas Feb 2019 #16

Cant believe he said that. honest.abe Feb 2019 #22

Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #24

Forget Bernie DownriverDem Feb 2019 #101

This! BlueMTexpat Feb 2019 #106

K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #3

we all know who Bernie is by now jcgoldie Feb 2019 #4

Why can't he speak to both?? That question deserves an answer. boston bean Feb 2019 #5

Good question jcgoldie Feb 2019 #6

The racial mix of the state that elected him is 98% white. ehrnst Feb 2019 #26

I guess one could say that he doesn't see race, LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #57

We need someone better than this to be our party's nominee. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #9

We have several very good candidates in our party 2naSalit Feb 2019 #61

The cream will rise to the top. I'm certain of it. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #70

I agree. 2naSalit Feb 2019 #78

I agree that Bernie's response in this instance was dissapointing liberalnarb Feb 2019 #10

Then here was the perfect time to speak to it again. boston bean Feb 2019 #14

I agree but not doing so doesn't render his past activism on the issue irrelevant. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #25

This is 2019. boston bean Feb 2019 #29

Ok? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #32

From HRC's POTUS campaign website: ehrnst Feb 2019 #56

At what point did I mention Hillary? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #58

You mentioned the 2016 campaign, and the topic of mass incarceration ehrnst Feb 2019 #59

It is a Democratic issue but I was responding to the assertion that Bernie Sanders never addressed liberalnarb Feb 2019 #65

I'm not seeing where Boston Bean asserted ehrnst Feb 2019 #71

He is not a racist... but he simply doesnt get it. honest.abe Feb 2019 #21

+1... SidDithers Feb 2019 #28

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #31

Ok, but what about holding hours long forums specifically revolving around the issues? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #36

Or another valid question would be... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #50

What would it look like if he was sensitive to these issues in the way you say he is not now? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #51

That remains to be seen, doesn't it? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #53

I suppose, but I just thought that since there is such certainty that he is not sensitive to those liberalnarb Feb 2019 #54

Isn't that something that all candidates for POTUS face? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #64

Well, yes, but the focus in this thread seems to be on a perceived deficit liberalnarb Feb 2019 #67

It is not a "perceived deficit" Apollyonus Feb 2019 #127

That's a little like demanding an Atheist prove there is no God. nt Mars and Minerva Feb 2019 #68

No, discussions of religion revolve purely around abstraction. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #74

Maybe he should have more forums and seminars Apollyonus Feb 2019 #139

He said Obama should be primaried because of his pivot to the right on Social Security. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #141

Cool story bro n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #144

Your immaturity is noted. I'm signing off now. nt liberalnarb Feb 2019 #145

See my response below... Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #118

Thank you! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #124

Just offering my 2c Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #125

Maybe not shout an answer, just once? Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #115

Again, I agree that Sanders' handling of the question was bad, liberalnarb Feb 2019 #117

But you ask what it would look like if he were sensitive to those issues Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #121

What exactly would that "demonstrated attitude" be? NurseJackie Feb 2019 #123

Sanders has addressed issues of race a multitude of times. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #131

Clearly the AA community and other POC are underwhelmed. I wonder why.... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #135

If a candidate who had never shown any depth or adeptness with women's issues Empowerer Feb 2019 #84

Are you implying that Bernie has never showed any depth adeptness on racial issues? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #110

You make a great point there. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #128

The fundamental problem with Bernie is that he seems to need these forums more than the voters theboss Feb 2019 #104

The forums were set up to give the real people who face these issues a voice liberalnarb Feb 2019 #111

And Sanders got 20 percent of their vote theboss Feb 2019 #114

There may have been a disconnect, but I'm pushing back against a narrative that seems to liberalnarb Feb 2019 #116

Are his numbers with minorities rising or are his numbers with whites dropping? theboss Feb 2019 #119

CNN Polling showed Sanders has highest approval rating among non-white voters. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #120

Misleading. That poll also shows Sanders with the highest unfavorable rating among non-white voters. honest.abe Feb 2019 #143

Nailed it! NurseJackie Feb 2019 #149

If the 1015 respondents to that poll are a cross-section of the US population, that would mean: George II Feb 2019 #162

Kinda reminds me of the "most popular" poll we hear so much about... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #163

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #140

This is where I sign off. Not that there was ever a chance of anyones mind being changed anyway. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #142

Minds are changed by words and deeds. Not by spin. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #157

IMHO Apollyonus Feb 2019 #126

.... ehrnst Feb 2019 #62

Wait until the threads start that attack Kamala, watoos Feb 2019 #40

There have already been numerous criticisms of Kamala on this board. honest.abe Feb 2019 #46

I agree... yuiyoshida Feb 2019 #90

She also doesn't think she is a messiah n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #137

The legendary "Primary Season" at DU.... Mars and Minerva Feb 2019 #73

To me, "not getting it", especially as a national figure who wants to represent the Dem party, efhmc Feb 2019 #72

Another apologetically forgiving stance Apollyonus Feb 2019 #132

K&R Gothmog Feb 2019 #11

It's not 2016 Freddie Feb 2019 #15

Bernie didn't even get in the race yet did he? watoos Feb 2019 #41

He hasn't Apollyonus Feb 2019 #133

"I don't think he believes that systemic oppression exists unless its caused by unfair distribution" honest.abe Feb 2019 #17

That's part of the problem, but far from all of it... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #55

Racial discrimination, systematic violence and voter suppression are all very much intertwined. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #113

These issues are tied together, no? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #112

K&R betsuni Feb 2019 #19

I do not think ... BigOleDummy Feb 2019 #20

Well put, watoos Feb 2019 #43

Exactly. honest.abe Feb 2019 #49

Agreed. Saviolo Feb 2019 #105

No one has implied that he is racist frazzled Feb 2019 #148

It's all he knows...nt SidDithers Feb 2019 #23

"The Root" just crushed Bernie on this issue. . . DinahMoeHum Feb 2019 #30

The top comment to the article.. honest.abe Feb 2019 #34

Well, alrighty then Empowerer Feb 2019 #89

Oh come on! He DID rename two post offices in Vermont n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #146

That was interesting, Dinah.. Cha Feb 2019 #38

What nonsense. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #42

The "Bernie Bros" were created by Russia. watoos Feb 2019 #45

Agreed. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #47

According to wikipedia, Robinson Meyer, a writer for The Atlantic, coined the term "Bernie bro".. honest.abe Feb 2019 #48

Thanks.. they're real. Cha Feb 2019 #52

Mmm not really. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #63

Yes they are shenmue Feb 2019 #76

Maybe on Twitter. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #77

Yes they are. Cha Feb 2019 #80

Mostly on Twitter. Not so much elsewhere. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #81

All over Twitter. Cha Feb 2019 #82

And what do we know about how well the twittersphere reflects the population? liberalnarb Feb 2019 #96

there's no denying they're Cha Feb 2019 #170

They're certainly not a widespread phenomenon. liberalnarb Feb 2019 #171

Too wide. Cha Feb 2019 #173

And another site which shall not be named Docreed2003 Feb 2019 #122

That's right.. and I know Cha Feb 2019 #166

Bazinga! George II Feb 2019 #168

Yes, and elsewhere, too. George II Feb 2019 #160

Exactly what I told Cha Feb 2019 #167

Yep ... Apollyonus Feb 2019 #147

The point is that the divide was milked by the Russians to solidify the divide between Sanders and liberalnarb Feb 2019 #60

Someone said "created" by the Russians. honest.abe Feb 2019 #69

This is true, & regretfully, its still bring used today. nt yaesu Feb 2019 #88

I was wrong to say created, watoos Feb 2019 #83

Seems to be no doubt the Russians at some point jumped on "bernie bro" thing to sow discord. honest.abe Feb 2019 #94

Technically speaking, any vote that did not directly benefit the Democratic candidate... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #66

They either voted for Trump or Stein or didn't vote for POTUS at all. Apollyonus Feb 2019 #150

I like what Bernie has to say about many issues, but safeinOhio Feb 2019 #37

Bernie Means Well... dlk Feb 2019 #44

Well said and without the vitriol I feel. efhmc Feb 2019 #75

I disagree that he means well Apollyonus Feb 2019 #152

;) dlk Feb 2019 #172

Oh dear. "I've said black fifty times" could be his Croney Feb 2019 #79

Clearly he let his frustration show in a rude and disrespectful way. honest.abe Feb 2019 #91

Lol MoonRiver Feb 2019 #107

I remember when HRC was heckled by BLM activists ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #85

Hillary invited the BLM protesters for a personal chat Apollyonus Feb 2019 #155

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #164

... Scurrilous Feb 2019 #86

What event was this? Recent? nt yaesu Feb 2019 #92

Looks like from 2016 honest.abe Feb 2019 #98

Thank you, I was just concerned about rehashing the last Democratic presidential primary yaesu Feb 2019 #99

Rehashing the 2016 primary is pretty much the sole purpose of DU now. n/t QC Feb 2019 #109

I don't think he heard the question Renew Deal Feb 2019 #93

When you know one Tune really well MyNameGoesHere Feb 2019 #95

I think this is from an event in 2016. honest.abe Feb 2019 #97

Thank you for pointing this out. Tom Rinaldo Feb 2019 #103

This guy has me blocked on twitter.. disillusioned73 Feb 2019 #100

He did? How rude! I wonder why. NurseJackie Feb 2019 #108

I can't Cha Feb 2019 #169

He lost black women voters 80 to 20 versus Hillary theboss Feb 2019 #102

Down with identity politics. Now, let's talk about white people. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #130

Lol! Empowerer Feb 2019 #153

lol n/t Apollyonus Feb 2019 #154

When people tell you who the are believe them. Bernie is no racist by and means. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #151

Then he shouldn't be running for national office Apollyonus Feb 2019 #156

Bernie had this problem in 2016. apnu Feb 2019 #158

The video is from 2016. n/t QC Feb 2019 #159

What? This shouldn't shock anyone... Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #161

Yup. Bernie being Bernie. NT Adrahil Feb 2019 #165