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Eliot Rosewater

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77. Teams? I wish, there arent teams anymore, there is literally decent patriots

Thu Feb 7, 2019, 08:32 PM

Feb 2019

and traitors.

Decent patriots OR people who are also almost to a PERSON racists, misogynists and homophobes as well as xenophobes.

There is NO situation where replacing any democrat with any republican makes any sense ESPECIALLY to African Americans, women, gay folks and other minorities.

The INDIVIDUAL person is not what matters, one party legislates hate and death, the other doesn't. You leave whoever it is in office until you can replace them with someone who is NOT a racist, traitor, misogynist and homophobe.

Short of conviction of a violent crime, that is.

The days when the difference between D and R was taxes and guns or whatever are OVER. We have to start thinking along the line there are NOT 2 parties, there is one party and one group of Nazi defending no good fucking assholes.

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Justin Fairfax & Brett Kavanaugh [View all] Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 OP

Seriously, where were you guys yesterday? theboss Feb 2019 #1

Sorry Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #2

I forgive you....this time. theboss Feb 2019 #3

Thanks Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #21

Repeatedly drawing equivalences between our party Hortensis Feb 2019 #146

It is not drawing equivalences Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #148

The Fairfax case is not that complicated. brush Feb 2019 #76

Any posts on Kavanaugh by the way? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #17

I wrote a brilliant unpublished essay called "My own personal Kavanaugh" theboss Feb 2019 #29

Here's my fucking Kavanaugh post theboss Feb 2019 #44

That was a bit over the top, don't you think? ehrnst Feb 2019 #106

As I already told you , no Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #78

Why are you not commenting on my Kavanaugh post? theboss Feb 2019 #84

I asked you a question. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #85

And I gave you, I dunno, 1000 words that I wrote in September theboss Feb 2019 #87

No. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #89

Do you want more Kavanaugh hate? theboss Feb 2019 #90

Easy now.... Interesting accusation there. ehrnst Feb 2019 #100

Yeah, this is getting fucking old. Making my blood fucking boil actually. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #143

You called a member of DU "freeper"? George II Feb 2019 #113

September? George II Feb 2019 #91

I pulled the essay from an email I sent on 9/28 theboss Feb 2019 #92

Have you ever tried decaf? marble falls Feb 2019 #96

That's really over the top, don't you think? (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #98

And yet you return. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #101

Some of us would rather not be driven from our favorite Democratic forum... moriah Feb 2019 #115

And some of us would rather not see anyone - especially, given our ugly history, a black man - EffieBlack Feb 2019 #120

I agree that *assuming* he's guilty is wrong. moriah Feb 2019 #140

"I just think this can be discussed without sounding like Fox News did during the Kavanaugh hearings EffieBlack Feb 2019 #141

That's quite a strawman there. That or you meant to reply to someone else. ehrnst Feb 2019 #126

All I know is I've seen those arguments used, and they are terrible. moriah Feb 2019 #138

So is that a yes or no answer to my questions? ehrnst Feb 2019 #139

That I meant to respond to you? moriah Feb 2019 #142

I've been here... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #129

The hypocrisy is stunning. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #4

Every case is identical and the woman always to be believed? treestar Feb 2019 #5

Yes. The woman is always to be believed. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #54

In general, one must believe women. But one doesn't shirk investigative responsibility. ehrnst Feb 2019 #99

That is not justice. treestar Feb 2019 #102

+1000. It feeds a mistaken assumption that women and the metoo movement ehrnst Feb 2019 #104

Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2019 #108

Beautifully put. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2019 #116

Are you asserting that Fairfax's accuser is "being used"? brooklynite Feb 2019 #103

No. You are doing that straw man overextension. treestar Feb 2019 #111

Didn't see that at all in the post. ehrnst Feb 2019 #117

Well I don't have a double standard. LisaL Feb 2019 #6

I'm intrigued by your views and wish to subscribe to you newsletter theboss Feb 2019 #64

Overt false equivalency noted, the situations aren't even close but I think you know that uponit7771 Feb 2019 #7

How are they different? This should be interesting. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #9

See my post above for a partial description of reason EffieBlack Feb 2019 #11

I don't see any post you made above mine. Look at the time stamps. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #16

Sorry - it's below EffieBlack Feb 2019 #18

BK had multiple accusations, lied multiple times regarding the situation and denied investigations uponit7771 Feb 2019 #12

Exactly EffieBlack Feb 2019 #15

Lied...when was a Lie proven? Just asking. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #19

Do you know who BK is? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #22

SCOTUS Judge...so? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #30

So ... when you respond to a post about BK lying with EffieBlack Feb 2019 #37

If you assume that...shows you are wrong...I watched ever minute AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #45

The lies were proven after he made them, that's when. It was obvious he was lying about some of the uponit7771 Feb 2019 #27

So you still can't show lies...did Dr. Tyson lie? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #33

I just did, ... did you pay attention to the hearings on BK at all? I believe Tyson enough to ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #43

"..Ford never lied, her testimony was very credible.." AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #48

under oath was my context, nice try though ... better question, you got any proof she did lie?! tia uponit7771 Feb 2019 #51

People lie under oath all the time... AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #144

Someone accused Muller also I'll wait for the investigation uponit7771 Feb 2019 #147

Yep....idgits with NO credibility. Apples to cactus comparrison. AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #149

To give one example dsc Feb 2019 #93

Why are you having to offer proof that Kavanaugh lied? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #95

There were only two MichMary Feb 2019 #20

Really? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #24

Sure. MichMary Feb 2019 #39

LOL EffieBlack Feb 2019 #50

"A person or two" MichMary Feb 2019 #53

I don't even know if that one person is actually being investigated by the FBI. Do you? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #56

Regardless, MichMary Feb 2019 #65

Got a link on that? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #26

See above n/t MichMary Feb 2019 #40

You've mentioned in previous posts things you've seen on FOX. Maybe you shouldn't rely on them for EffieBlack Feb 2019 #28

I don't MichMary Feb 2019 #42

So you don't believe the other women who accused BK? Why were they absurd and Tyson accusation uponit7771 Feb 2019 #59

See the links I provided above MichMary Feb 2019 #70

Are you saying don't believe the woman??? Unfuckinbelievable. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #55

Of course I'm saying that, also anyone who makes an accusation should be drowned in shallow ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #57

That ship sailed.... AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #8

That's just NOT true EffieBlack Feb 2019 #10

+1, I'm sick of the false equivalencies uponit7771 Feb 2019 #13

Thanks for proving my point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #35

Riiiight EffieBlack Feb 2019 #38

You're welcome nt Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #41

Facts matter uponit7771 Feb 2019 #46

My point is about a principal Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #47

"Kavanaugh's accuser produced substantial corroborating evidence,"... AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #36

Believe women. PERIOD. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #63

No. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #68

+1, this is part of what wasn't happening before #metoo uponit7771 Feb 2019 #75

Well said customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #69

So where were you on the Kavanaugh situation? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #14

I believed Christine Blasey Ford Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #31

Sure thing. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #32

I agree with you wildflower Feb 2019 #136

Thank you Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #137

That's all very highminded. The downside of viewing everything from the higher moral ground OnDoutside Feb 2019 #23

Never said that Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #34

I agree, you didn't, but that's kinda the point. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #105

Still not the point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #110

I was including all three, but even with Fairfax, how is anyone to defend themselves against any OnDoutside Feb 2019 #122

And still not the point. Nt Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #125

Yes it is. Your OP is the essence of Pollyanna, to which I responded with a real life point that OnDoutside Feb 2019 #127

No it is not My OP was about a principle Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #128

Yes, the Pollyanna principle, for which there are consequences for African Americans in Virginia. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #131

No still not the point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #132

No, your point is to destroy someone's life without evidence vs enough evidence in Kavanaugh's OnDoutside Feb 2019 #133

No I'm advocating a simple principle Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #134

Absolutely yes, it is a simple principle. If only life were as simple, which is where I disagree OnDoutside Feb 2019 #135

Wow--what an interesting thread. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #25

#metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation, #NoFranken2.0 !!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #49

Well, as I recall, there was some evidence regarding the Kavanaugh accusation. MoonRiver Feb 2019 #52

What evidence was there on Dr. Ford's story specifically? LisaL Feb 2019 #58

Ford coming forward way before BK was put on a short list and BKs overt lying and avoiding an ... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #61

That's not evidence of a crime taking place. LisaL Feb 2019 #62

Goal post move, the question wasn't about a crime taking place but did I believe Ford. I did... uponit7771 Feb 2019 #67

She knew the address and that checked out. MoonRiver Feb 2019 #71

What address did she know? LisaL Feb 2019 #72

My memory isn't that good. MoonRiver Feb 2019 #73

Because I already know it's not accurate. LisaL Feb 2019 #74

Ouch! OnDoutside Feb 2019 #124

She didn't theboss Feb 2019 #81

There's also evidence to suggest something happened between Fairfax and Tyson... Drunken Irishman Feb 2019 #130

You didn't say what specific arguments you are referring to ooky Feb 2019 #60

+1, #metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation. #NoFranken2.0!!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #66

That is not the point. Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #79

And again, you didn't share any of the actual arguments you were objecting to in your OP ooky Feb 2019 #86

Still not the point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #88

Teams? I wish, there arent teams anymore, there is literally decent patriots Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #77

THIS. +10,000. Hortensis Feb 2019 #145

This is bullshit dansolo Feb 2019 #80

Different cases Midnightwalk Feb 2019 #82

The lifetime appointment v. limited term elected office is an excellent point EffieBlack Feb 2019 #83

The two situations are completely different standingtall Feb 2019 #94

Not the point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #97

Nobody here has proved any fricking point for you. Solomon Feb 2019 #107

Again not the point Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #109

You keep saying this to everyone who challenges what you've written Empowerer Feb 2019 #112

No some got it Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #114

I see Empowerer Feb 2019 #119

You either get it or Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #121

+1000 ooky Feb 2019 #118

Well said. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #123