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Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
12. Losing your vote will signal Gilead. I suggest you take a good look
Sat Feb 9, 2019, 06:43 PM
Feb 2019

at children too small to understand crying in cages and understand -- the evil revealed can and will be turned against American citizens. You and yours are not safe. It is happening here, and we must stop it.

"Gilead is a city of those who work iniquity; it is stained with blood" (Hosea 6:8).


NY Times, Paul Krugman -- Why It Can Happen Here: We’re very close to becoming another Poland or Hungary.

... And it could all too easily happen here. There was a time, not long ago, when people used to say that our democratic norms, our proud history of freedom, would protect us from such a slide into tyranny. In fact, some people still say that. But believing such a thing today requires willful blindness. The fact is that the Republican Party is ready, even eager, to become an American version of Law and Justice or Fidesz, exploiting its current political power to lock in permanent rule.

Just look at what has been happening at the state level. ...

What about developments at the national level? That’s where things get really scary. We’re currently sitting on a knife edge. If we fall off it in the wrong direction — specifically, if Republicans retain control of both houses of Congress in November — we will become another Poland or Hungary faster than you can imagine. ...

This week Axios created a bit of a stir with a scoop about a spreadsheet circulating among Republicans in Congress, ... Party loyalty will prevail over constitutional responsibility.

A year ago it seemed possible that there might be limits to the party’s complicity, that there would come a point where at least a few representatives or senators would say, no more. Now it’s clear that there are no limits: They’ll do whatever it takes to defend Trump and consolidate power. ...

But why is America, the birthplace of democracy, so close to following the lead of other countries that have recently destroyed it? Don’t tell me about “economic anxiety.” That’s not what happened in Poland, which grew steadily through the financial crisis and its aftermath. And it’s not what happened here in 2016: Study after study has found that racial resentment, not economic distress, drove Trump voters.

The point is that we’re suffering from the same disease — white nationalism run wild — that has already effectively killed democracy in some other Western nations. And we’re very, very close to the point of no return.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/27/opinion/trump-republican-party-authoritarianism.html

He's leaving out those among the 70,000 newly ultrawealthy families who are harnessing the "culture wars" for energy to dispose of a democracy they've decided intolerably obstructs their lives, their liberties, and their pursuits of happiness. But you get the idea, I hope.

I agree. Demsrule86 Feb 2019 #1
You should be reported for making complete sense. OnDoutside Feb 2019 #2
What I think would be reasonable is that when a politician ooky Feb 2019 #3
And who puts that person on admin leave? Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #35
I think all your questions are valid. ooky Feb 2019 #42
Another slight problem with that idea dumbcat Feb 2019 #49
Comey did it to Hillary. ooky Feb 2019 #58
No way jmowreader Feb 2019 #51
Obama could have been accused of crimes? ooky Feb 2019 #53
We live in a time when anyone can say anything about anybody. N/t TCJ70 Feb 2019 #54
No doubt. That's why we need to get a handle on this ooky Feb 2019 #57
Yep. N/t TCJ70 Feb 2019 #59
Thinking about your comment bdamomma Feb 2019 #78
ANYONE could be FALSELY accused of a crime, including Obama. In fact, he was accused pnwmom Feb 2019 #73
Agreed, I didn't think about that ooky Feb 2019 #77
No. Then the Jacob Wohls of the world could derail almost any Democratic career. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #72
Do you mean have an actual process for handling these allegations? guillaumeb Feb 2019 #4
Well, aside from the very questionable football helmet avatar you have here, PatrickforO Feb 2019 #5
A full and fair bdamomma Feb 2019 #9
Well, I'm not saying Fairfax isn't guilty - he well might be. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #62
It's rat fucking that we seem to fall for. LakeArenal Feb 2019 #6
repos say jump anti-repub Feb 2019 #89
Hmmm that sounds reasonable njhoneybadger Feb 2019 #7
I don't agree. We do what is best. What we do NOT Hortensis Feb 2019 #8
Well it's being done bdamomma Feb 2019 #11
Losing your vote will signal Gilead. I suggest you take a good look Hortensis Feb 2019 #12
and it will be done bdamomma Feb 2019 #13
:) 300,000,000 of us. We can do whatever we choose Hortensis Feb 2019 #16
We know that here at DU bdamomma Feb 2019 #23
I've always thought election day should be a Hortensis Feb 2019 #71
Ummmm, it's not just one man maxrandb Feb 2019 #21
Truth out! Miigwech Feb 2019 #10
I'm all for a thorough investigation but let's be honest with ourselves .. PTWB Feb 2019 #14
"if you have a credible accuser, a resignation is in order" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #18
But of course, the LT Governor, lifelong Democrat maxrandb Feb 2019 #22
Investigate what can be investigated. MH1 Feb 2019 #27
Sounds good to me EffieBlack Feb 2019 #15
What would the investigation look like? WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #17
Why not encourage Dr. Tyson to file a police report so professionals can investigate? EffieBlack Feb 2019 #19
That is definitely an option. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #20
sounds good to me bdamomma Feb 2019 #79
Exactly, how do you prove a negative? maxrandb Feb 2019 #24
Plenty of investigations, criminal and non, come to conclusions of no wrongdoing all the time. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #25
It's very bizarre to claim that Dr. Tyson shouldn't file charges because there may not be enough EffieBlack Feb 2019 #80
Right, criminal allegations should get criminal investigations, as well as internal ones if needed. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #81
Northam admitted and there's visual proof of what he was accused of EffieBlack Feb 2019 #82
That's the issue, as I see it. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2019 #83
I agree just because I fear this will be used against us. I fear we will be set up in a big way UniteFightBack Feb 2019 #26
Did you apply that principle to Roy Moore when he ran for Senate? brooklynite Feb 2019 #28
I'm not from AL, I'm a Virginian maxrandb Feb 2019 #30
We aren't talking about an election here. MH1 Feb 2019 #84
Not every State allows a recall election. brooklynite Feb 2019 #85
I did. I don't care who it is; I belive in evidence, and I abhor usubstantiated allegations LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #87
Did you post this about Franken? Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #29
I posted at the time that Franken should have stayed maxrandb Feb 2019 #31
He couldn't stay. He was ousted. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #33
I think some of learned that accusations can be weaponized. Dream Girl Feb 2019 #52
Doesn't anyone think it is just a little strange that the three top Dems Stonepounder Feb 2019 #32
As strange as accusations against Franken not long after the Senate Jeff Sessions hearing.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #37
Exactly! Stonepounder Feb 2019 #56
I agree100%. Liberty Belle Feb 2019 #34
It's up to the voters of Virginia. It's for them to work out what to do. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #38
Completely agreed! debsy Feb 2019 #36
Agree. Polly Hennessey Feb 2019 #39
AMEN!!! Day after day, hour after hour you hear the war drums on MSNBC pdsimdars Feb 2019 #40
+1 Fresh_Start Feb 2019 #46
Absolument! Mme. Defarge Feb 2019 #41
Save the Democrats marieo1 Feb 2019 #43
Amy Klobuchar has not even declared yet and this is the headline pazzyanne Feb 2019 #44
An accusation is not proof perdita9 Feb 2019 #45
KR NT ProudProgressiveNow Feb 2019 #47
Amen to that. volstork Feb 2019 #48
How about quakerboy Feb 2019 #50
Gee. I thought that was the way it was always supposed to be. democratisphere Feb 2019 #55
+1. Why do Democrats apply the presumption of guilt on Democrats dalton99a Feb 2019 #68
Yep. I just don't get it. democratisphere Feb 2019 #69
+1, #metoo doesn't mean guilt by accusation, #NoFranken2.0 !!! uponit7771 Feb 2019 #70
Didn't you demand CBS be "required" to take down a poll you disagreed with? AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #60
Umm, millions of Virginians didn't vote for CBS to represent them maxrandb Feb 2019 #64
All that need be done The Wizard Feb 2019 #61
i am all for that... samnsara Feb 2019 #63
Thank you for this thread maxrandb MustLoveBeagles Feb 2019 #65
Investigation need to be done before demanding someone resign standingtall Feb 2019 #66
No. No due process. Time is of the essence. dalton99a Feb 2019 #67
Sounds fine to me as long as we hold ReThugs to the same standard. jcmaine72 Feb 2019 #74
All allegations should be investigated, of course. Hortensis Feb 2019 #75
Agree. It's fundamental to democracy. KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #76
Why do you hate murica? bluecollar2 Feb 2019 #86
Totally agree! denvine Feb 2019 #88
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