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119. No, her attrition rate of 36% isn't even high. It's only about 6% a year. And the firm that did the

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Mon Feb 11, 2019, 12:02 AM

Feb 2019

calculations, Legistorm, specifically said that no conclusions could be drawn by the number. Politico's headline writer decided to spin with the title, "worst bosses," but Legistorm said that there there are a number of factors that affect attrition, including the # of interns, people getting opportunities for better paying or more challenging jobs, etc.

But I don't hear anyone complaining about Barbara Jackson Lee's 62% rate over the same time period, or the numerous House members who had higher attrition than Klobuchar.

The local union had heard a couple complaints from her staffers, and they seemed to be especially disgruntled that they hadn't gotten the pay raises they were hoping for. She fought for pay raises but it was beyond her control.

We don't know that Reid had to step in. His office says he doesn't remember that happening.

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Amy Klobuchar responds: [View all] Kingofalldems Feb 2019 OP

The truth and candor, no matter how you recieve it, is refreshing. DontBooVote Feb 2019 #1

honesty is good... qazplm135 Feb 2019 #2

Yea, some whiny-assed subordinate(s) couldn't handle the heat at the Senate level and DontBooVote Feb 2019 #8

if someone is throwing shit at you qazplm135 Feb 2019 #23

if someone is throwing shit at you Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #58

lol qazplm135 Feb 2019 #87

I know, Democrats are so terrible, correct? Mr. Quackers Feb 2019 #90

no it's exactly what would happen qazplm135 Feb 2019 #91

Criticizing one democrat hardly equates to a "Democrats are terrible" whathehell Feb 2019 #147

The purity test UpInArms Feb 2019 #134

the dont be an asshole test qazplm135 Feb 2019 #140

Each of us vote for the person we believe will do best UpInArms Feb 2019 #160

Exactly... whathehell Feb 2019 #146

Agreed Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #162

Physical violence customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #112

If someone is throwing things, get out of the way. leftofcool Feb 2019 #139

Or better yet, throw things back at them whathehell Feb 2019 #145

It's not that easy Catch2.2 Feb 2019 #161

Thank you... whathehell Feb 2019 #144

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #178

Just like those whiny-assed secretaries who finally said, Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #24

No, it is not "just like" that. And don't attempt to make me out to be someone I am not by DontBooVote Feb 2019 #30

Appropriate response. Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #50

Don't you just hate false equivalencies? elias7 Feb 2019 #56

Yes. And I hate it even more when someone tries to make you look like someone you are DontBooVote Feb 2019 #60

You mean you're not a sexist paternalistic authoritative domineering d-bag? elias7 Feb 2019 #104

Good response. lunatica Feb 2019 #75

You know what? jberryhill Feb 2019 #54

Especially if that is the very job description, as well as an understood aspect of the job for DontBooVote Feb 2019 #65

Hear, hear! pazzyanne Feb 2019 #73

Work ethic. Seems like such a simple thing 2naSalit Feb 2019 #93

The law clerks I know, however, were not so thrilled Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #175

Exactly.. n/t whathehell Feb 2019 #148

The complaints date back to her time as dflprincess Feb 2019 #179

And so what? She's not running to be my boss jberryhill Feb 2019 #52

I like my candidates qazplm135 Feb 2019 #89

Well said customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #113

Agree kevink077 Feb 2019 #132

"So what"?...It goes to this thing called "character". whathehell Feb 2019 #149

And a US Senate office is a demanding work environment jberryhill Feb 2019 #155

I'm sorry if you think tolerating physical abuse is part and parcel of whathehell Feb 2019 #157

I completely agree with you. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #180

Yes, those are my sentiments exactly. whathehell Feb 2019 #188

I don't think she is actually. cwydro Feb 2019 #156

So how many male Senators are tough taskmasters and never called out for it? calimary Feb 2019 #163

Good, thoughtful post. Of course, the naysayers won't see themselves in it. Demit Feb 2019 #190

No, she isn't. She also explained that many of her staffers were hired by Obama pnwmom Feb 2019 #195

It wouldn't bother me to have a strong woman in the White House. ooky Feb 2019 #3

Especially one who can stand up GWC58 Feb 2019 #14

Its clear we have several strong, capable women who will work tirelessly to defeat the toxic traitor InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #32

So customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #114

Don't ooky Feb 2019 #116

At some point customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #118

Really strong women don't abuse subordinates.. whathehell Feb 2019 #153

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #181

Thank you, Smirky whathehell Feb 2019 #187

Abuse is a strong accusation. ooky Feb 2019 #184

I'd call sending demeaning emails and throwing things "abusive". whathehell Feb 2019 #186

What did she throw? ooky Feb 2019 #189

Office supplies, I believe.. whathehell Feb 2019 #191

To be honest, ooky Feb 2019 #196

I understand.. whathehell Feb 2019 #197

Well there! bdamomma Feb 2019 #4

At least she's addressed it, but.... Siwsan Feb 2019 #5

If you fire someone for being divisive and pissing off DURHAM D Feb 2019 #10

I think I'm stuck on the reports she throws things, even indirectly, at people Siwsan Feb 2019 #16

I have not seen any believable reports of her throwing stuff. nt DURHAM D Feb 2019 #22

I haven't read of anyone refuting what's out there, but maybe that's the best tactic Siwsan Feb 2019 #28

My only critique is that I'm not sure that requires thrown objects... Volaris Feb 2019 #42

Are there thrown objects? DURHAM D Feb 2019 #46

It certainly doesn't.. That's abuse, and sounds like it could whathehell Feb 2019 #154

On the money. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #47

And sometimes "abuse" is just perception. Demit Feb 2019 #15

Yes - you are absolutely right. Siwsan Feb 2019 #18

The problem might be that not everyone is cut out to work in a high-powered, high stress environment Demit Feb 2019 #41

So customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #115

People who don't like stressful jobs aren't victims. They're people who don't like stressful jobs. Demit Feb 2019 #131

Lol.. There's a difference between a "stressful"work environment and whathehell Feb 2019 #152

Why would her office be more stressed than that of other senators? whathehell Feb 2019 #172

For any number of reasons. Demit Feb 2019 #173

Name some.. whathehell Feb 2019 #176

There are various reasons for people leaving political jobs listed throughout this thread. Demit Feb 2019 #177

Character counts, dear whathehell Feb 2019 #185

I commented on this in another thread. Fla Dem Feb 2019 #76

Yes -- It speaks volumes. n/t. whathehell Feb 2019 #169

And women leaders who behave in exactly the same way as men are perceived pnwmom Feb 2019 #19

Klobuchar staff turnover is a fact Boomer Feb 2019 #151

Are you asserting that the 36% turnover rate is solely based on her behavior? Caliman73 Feb 2019 #168

It's a matter of comparative degree Boomer Feb 2019 #193

There is no evidence that she's been abusive, just some anonymous griping. pnwmom Feb 2019 #17

Thanks for the information! Siwsan Feb 2019 #20

Here's the Politico article at the bottom of this, headlined the Worst Bosses of the Senate, pnwmom Feb 2019 #25

Thanks for the link Siwsan Feb 2019 #31

I'm pretty sure that one or both of the initial outlets Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #27

What did the emails say? I haven't read any details. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #33

But her emails!!!111!! Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #48

Sounds familiar doesn't it! pazzyanne Feb 2019 #77

Not to mention that DC is an expensive city mcar Feb 2019 #92

Let's see customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #117

No, her attrition rate of 36% isn't even high. It's only about 6% a year. And the firm that did the pnwmom Feb 2019 #119

If Rep. Lee were running for president customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #120

The FACT is that her attrition rate isn't actually high, and the range in the Senate pnwmom Feb 2019 #121

You're right, 75% customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #122

I don't know why my boss survived multiple years of turnover like that, pnwmom Feb 2019 #124

Is the place where you worked customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #126

It was at a university, but there were several other academic institutions in the city, pnwmom Feb 2019 #127

Loved that she responded to it, and good for her. a kennedy Feb 2019 #6

I sat and wept as I watched her speak. I haven't done that since Hillary. Even my hubby said he KewlKat Feb 2019 #7

"send her some money" .... DontBooVote Feb 2019 #9

I was surprised at my own reaction. DURHAM D Feb 2019 #13

She moved on to my radar scope today. ooky Feb 2019 #51

That was our opinion as well. KewlKat Feb 2019 #61

This is a quote I like from The Godfather exboyfil Feb 2019 #11

Unfortunately, it didn't help Moe Greene's case. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2019 #39

Claim jumper. You beat me to it. nt Blue_true Feb 2019 #53

I like the combination prosecutor and Senator. This gives Amy a better position, empedocles Feb 2019 #12

End of story. riverwalker Feb 2019 #21

Joe Biden's temper with his staff was legendary... First Speaker Feb 2019 #26

I had a male boss who also put the fear of God into people, as his Executive Assistant would say. pnwmom Feb 2019 #34

Wasn't Bill Clinton known for having a bad temper as well? NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #138

Good chicken salad response BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #29

If she were male and "tough", she'd be admired for it DesertRat Feb 2019 #35

Not by me. nt Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #59

No TimeToGo Feb 2019 #79

Tough is throwing objects? ok. nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #94

I would think just as poorly of a man who treated his staff that way. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #182

I went to dinner with some friends last night who were gushing over her. I don't know very... NNadir Feb 2019 #36

That is very similar to what I wrote in a thread last night Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #37

Good answer, we'll see how that plays out for her. jalan48 Feb 2019 #38

I don't know what the specifics are. But abusive is different from demanding, IMO. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #40

Boot camp is similar treestar Feb 2019 #96

No. We're tough on recruits, because when you're being shot at you need to follow orders quickly. Stand and Fight Feb 2019 #166

I'm not saying it's as dangerous treestar Feb 2019 #167

If Amy Klobuchar was a man doing this - nothing would be said jpak Feb 2019 #43

If a male boss threw stuff at his employees, he'd be arrested LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #107

My goodness, is that so? I guess you have examples of that? Demit Feb 2019 #108

Sure LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #110

I work for a large Fortune 100 company. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #183

Same here. Boomer Feb 2019 #194

Not true...Abusive behavior by males is both resented and reported. whathehell Feb 2019 #192

Another stupid... Mike Nelson Feb 2019 #44

If she was able to keep her head with the way Kavanaugh was acting without exploding... PeeJ52 Feb 2019 #45

I agree. She would have ripped him a second asshole. Blue_true Feb 2019 #55

There are people customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #123

Side note: The great Chelsea Janes, former Nationals beat reporter Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #49

Biting my tongue. nt Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #57

Another "But Her Emails" issue ... I pray she has the discipline to just refer to this response uponit7771 Feb 2019 #62

I thought she was highly effective and compelling during Kavanaugh hearing elias7 Feb 2019 #63

I have a low tolerance for abusive bosses, male or female. I've seen the damage done. Paladin Feb 2019 #64

Total agreement jmbar2 Feb 2019 #71

+1 Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #100

Same here customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #125

Exactly my feelings on this nini Feb 2019 #143

As a man I say, good for her. She has nothing to explain. Pepsidog Feb 2019 #66

as many former and current staffers acknowledge she is tough Kurt V. Feb 2019 #67

LOL How fucking stupid this is. Oneironaut Feb 2019 #68

Got it ISUGRADIA Feb 2019 #72

Tbh, I think you missed the point I was making. Oneironaut Feb 2019 #158

How often president Obama was said to treestar Feb 2019 #97

i worked for a brilliant woman. barbtries Feb 2019 #69

She gave a good answer, ignore the attack. marylandblue Feb 2019 #70

Dignity and Respect ISUGRADIA Feb 2019 #74

This is not a tweet from Klobuchar. former9thward Feb 2019 #78

She said it to an NBC reporter: klook Feb 2019 #81

Thanks former9thward Feb 2019 #83

So? Kingofalldems Feb 2019 #86

I like to see direct quotes and their context. former9thward Feb 2019 #88

OK, but you can be tough and have high expectations w/o throwing things. nt Laffy Kat Feb 2019 #80

Exactly ZeroSomeBrains Feb 2019 #84

Why more contrition? How do you know it even happened? We're talking about anonymous reports pnwmom Feb 2019 #99

I see comments around the internet that this narrative DURHAM D Feb 2019 #105

This letter from AFSCME is concerning Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #111

Yeah, but the STATE union people did investigate, and they overruled the local group. pnwmom Feb 2019 #128

Where there is this much smoke, there is undoubtedly fire. Laffy Kat Feb 2019 #129

Really good point about the leaking staff. Nt Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #137

She needs to deny throwing stuff. Simple! nt USALiberal Feb 2019 #95

But all we have is an anonymous report from a couple of disgruntled employees. pnwmom Feb 2019 #98

If you are concerned about results, Amy delivers! pazzyanne Feb 2019 #82

While still in high school I took a summer job yaesu Feb 2019 #85

I think where I come down on this is that I am suspicious enough to take her out of my top teer Quixote1818 Feb 2019 #101

She's going to be great for SNL. jalan48 Feb 2019 #102

K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼 spanone Feb 2019 #103

Need to see more. She didn't do well when Kavanaugh insulted her. gulliver Feb 2019 #106

That would have been a great method to throw away her likability Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #130

Toughness is good. Abuse is bad. She's my favorite candidate so far but, IluvPitties Feb 2019 #109

A good response... brooklynite Feb 2019 #133

I was bothered by this at first, but the more I think about it the more it's not "a thing." Vinca Feb 2019 #135

she should forget it. she's going to run into the Franken wall Rene Feb 2019 #136

5,974 People Find This Canned Response Convincing. Act_of_Reparation Feb 2019 #141

High expectations and bullying are two different things nini Feb 2019 #142

Major fail - this is bullshit Boomer Feb 2019 #150

Well, did anybody actually think she wouldn't be tough as nails? Texin Feb 2019 #159

Tough female prosecutor who comes across as calm and likable Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #170

So many gullible suckers in this thread who believe an obvious hit piece BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #164

Could you imagine if we had heard these kinds of stories about Hillary? StevieM Feb 2019 #165

Where would, "How Candidate Treats Staff," have slotted on a priority list two weeks ago? Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #171

Don't tell me people are falling for this bullshit here??? RhodeIslandOne Feb 2019 #174