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PatrickforO

(15,427 posts)
47. Well the truth is, based on the comments on this thread, that
Mon Feb 11, 2019, 11:28 PM
Feb 2019

every candidate has some minor flaws.

I noticed you asked for links from the person who thought Kamala should go fly a kite.

I'm sure you know these, and forgive me if I'm telling you what you already know, but:

https://votesmart.org/ is a really good site for looking at what candidates have actually done. It also has links to their websites, bios, speeches, and ratings from various groups on issues. It also has a 'political courage' rating under 'positions.'

https://www.opensecrets.org/ is where to find how much money their campaigns have received and from whom. I like it because it gives the percent of funds coming from small donors. I always look at that.

I usually also look at each candidates' website, obviously, and research articles that have been written about them. Now, I like to see negative articles from the right because that shows our person has gravitas - judge a person by the quality of her enemies, as it were. And by where they stand on the Green New Deal (my grandkids need that now), healthcare and social security. Those are my issues.

Now, about Kamala - I don't think she should go fly a kite, but to my mind (as an economist) she's a bit weak on fiscal and monetary policy. Nothing else about her scares me.

I've said this before, but Booker's opponents will try and tar him with Wall Street affiliations.

Klobuchar is a good candidate - I haven't looked deeply into her positions as yet.

Gillibrand will not enjoy my support in the primary but I will obviously support her fervently if she is our nominee. Hope not, though, for Franken's sake.

I don't know much about Castro except that he has very little executive experience.

I love Warren because I'm a fiscal and monetary policy wonk, and she totally gets it. I'd rather she stay in the Senate though, because ultimately I think she will get more done there - to my mind she's taken over as the Lion of the Senate from Teddy (or Lioness, we should say). The Wall Street lizards, corporate shareholder primacy people, MIC and billionaire parasites all absolutely hate her, so that's very encouraging.

Bloomberg...no. I agree with AOC on that. A society that allows billionaires is immoral.

I like Sherrod Brown. Very solid progressive. He'd be great.

Biden...no. The 2005 bankruptcy law he supported betrayed our children and grandchildren and is helping to make them debt slaves. In my state alone, 733,700 people owe an average of $35,000 in student loan debt and are remitting an aggregate of $2.7 billion a year that is leaving our state, not being used to purchase local goods and services, and even worse, about 85,000 people are in default - they can't buy or sell cars or homes, their wages are garnished forever, the loan principal keeps growing and their credit is ruined. They don't get tax refunds, and their schools won't release transcripts. And, due to this law, THEY CAN NEVER GET RELIEF FROM THESE DEBTS THROUGH BANKRUPTCY. Biden did this to our children and grandchildren and I will actively oppose him tooth and nail. Plus, he was a good ol' boy in the Anita Hill hearings. My wife dislikes him for that, though I'm not happy with it either. He was a good VP for Obama, but...no.

Tulsi Gabbard - many people around her really seem to dislike her, it seems for her foreign policy leanings, and for her unfortunate anti-LGBTQ stances through about 2010, when she 'evolved' on gay rights as did so many others. Pardon my cynicism.

Beto? He kind of went like John Lennon for awhile, but he's getting his mojo back with that Trump demonstration down in El Paso. Like Obama, Beto is new and untried. I sure like the way he talks thought.

Bernie? Well, I was a huge Bernie supporter in the bitter 2016 primaries. I'd rather he not run this time because others have picked up his torch, and he unfortunately (and somewhat unjustly to my mind) has been tarred with racism, or at least a cavalier attitude toward social justice as opposed to economic justice.

In the meantime we should all be ready - the right wing will be working really, really hard 24/7/365 to ridicule, discredit and divide us around candidates, and in my 60 years I've seen us be stupid and fall for that far more often than I've seen us stick it out and stick together.

As Obama said - we cannot allow the perfect to be the enemy of the good.



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My problem as well leftieNanner Feb 2019 #1
Yes, she is Rachel's guest tonight. ooky Feb 2019 #2
Agreed, although as time goes by perhaps it will become easier! flor-de-jasmim Feb 2019 #3
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #4
Care to explain your comment? sheshe2 Feb 2019 #6
no, i wish i could. something i read and joet67 Feb 2019 #10
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #17
No, I am NOT confused. My reasons are mine. joet67 Feb 2019 #31
You said it was because of something you read, but no longer remember. cwydro Feb 2019 #86
16 what? betsuni Feb 2019 #91
Profound. honest.abe Feb 2019 #23
sorry. not playing the games here, joet67 Feb 2019 #32
Are ya sure? Iggo Feb 2019 #65
You funny. cwydro Feb 2019 #85
lol fail ! stonecutter357 Feb 2019 #101
what the???? MrGrieves Feb 2019 #94
I think I can guess! betsuni Feb 2019 #54
oh my! sheshe2 Feb 2019 #66
Brock has been paying all of us for years! betsuni Feb 2019 #83
Why should Kamala go fly a kite? NBachers Feb 2019 #8
I love flying kites! Horse with no Name Feb 2019 #12
I love kites and Mary Poppins. And dreams that can come new again. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #21
Go fly a kite? cwydro Feb 2019 #13
What a bizarre comment?!? honest.abe Feb 2019 #22
As an avowed lefty, I already have some problems with both Harris' and Klobuchar's voting record pecosbob Feb 2019 #5
Links to their votes please. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #7
Here's what I read... pecosbob Feb 2019 #20
Huff is your source and every Dem sheshe2 Feb 2019 #24
They are all Senators, not traditionally known as a hotbed of radical leftism pecosbob Feb 2019 #26
EVERY SINGLE ONE. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #27
Here's a link to a Star Tribune (which has always endorsed Amy) about her problems with progressives dflprincess Feb 2019 #57
As I said. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #62
Although none of my "horses" are in this race (yet, anyway) DFW Feb 2019 #87
actually Kamala's positions are to abolish private prisons, legal cannabis on the federal level and TeamPooka Feb 2019 #70
If that is in fact her position I had not heard of it pecosbob Feb 2019 #73
she introduced legislation on the private prisons and sentencing stuff co-sponsored by a TeamPooka Feb 2019 #75
Both Harris and Klobuchar have serious negatives disndat Feb 2019 #95
Where'd you get "harsh rebuke" from? Demit Feb 2019 #107
I read about the Harry Reid rebuke disndat Feb 2019 #109
Harris and Warren have almost identical voting records. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #30
that's great info. Thank you TeamPooka Feb 2019 #71
Most who talk about differences in voting records likely... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #117
Congress legislates Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2019 #72
I have issues with Harris' voting record also. MH1 Feb 2019 #100
Today I'm leaning towards Harris--I'm liking the idea of a former Prosecuter after Trump cally Feb 2019 #9
It is not fair. guillaumeb Feb 2019 #11
Like them all. But if Brown declares I am all in. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #14
Sherrod Brown bdamomma Feb 2019 #39
I have been touting him on here since early 2017. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #41
Me, too. broiles Feb 2019 #43
Same here lkinwi Feb 2019 #50
I think Klobuchar or Brown would win the midwest. apcalc Feb 2019 #56
We have some great candidates Horse with no Name Feb 2019 #15
I agree sheshe2, we have a plethora of excellent candidates so far, and many have not even declared monmouth4 Feb 2019 #16
We are on the same wavelength. As a Biden supporter from the 2008 primaries, WheelWalker Feb 2019 #18
Same here. Add Sherrod Brown and it will be even tougher. blm Feb 2019 #19
Brown/Biden bdamomma Feb 2019 #45
Biden/Brown disndat Feb 2019 #115
Look at all the young women that voters put into the House womanofthehills Feb 2019 #126
Agreed. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #127
Same here, but the one good thing about it... GoCubsGo Feb 2019 #25
I like all 3 and will take any of them marlakay Feb 2019 #28
For me it is too early rufus dog Feb 2019 #29
Me too bdamomma Feb 2019 #46
I like Sen Harris, and I'm tuning in to Rachel to learn more about Klobuchar tonight. ecstatic Feb 2019 #33
That was all about Klobuchar confronting the inevitable "not tough enough" label. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #118
Tougher than the choices will be... Hekate Feb 2019 #34
Umm. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #37
Your top three are mine too, at least so far ... FakeNoose Feb 2019 #35
I knew we would have an embarrassment of riches... Lisa0825 Feb 2019 #36
A Harris / Klobuchar team? A Harris / Warren team? A Warren / Klobuchar team? YOHABLO Feb 2019 #38
I think many of us have that problem. I have at least four to consider, maybe more when they.... George II Feb 2019 #40
It is going to very hard, George. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #44
Biden/Beto,Amy,Stacy LakeArenal Feb 2019 #42
Well the truth is, based on the comments on this thread, that PatrickforO Feb 2019 #47
Clean up crew...the OP asked me for links after I made my initial post... pecosbob Feb 2019 #64
The kite person was Joet67. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #81
Harris and Brown were also on the Franken train with Gillibrand. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #82
Booker, too DFW Feb 2019 #88
My feelings exactly. Except I don't think of it as personal feelings. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #93
Your second point is of high importance to me DFW Feb 2019 #97
True. Obama didn't immediately react to situations, most of the time. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #98
I know. Republicans go berserk when I tell them Obama was conservative. DFW Feb 2019 #99
Exactamundo. Except I referred to Obama as moderate. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #112
we have an embarassment of riches. They have a traitor who no one else feels they can "better" Takket Feb 2019 #48
i would support and vote for whichever one of these highly qualified.... samnsara Feb 2019 #49
Frankly. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #51
Same here. Fall in love in the primary, then enthusiastically work for the nominee emulatorloo Feb 2019 #55
Truth. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #61
With California's primary being moved up to an earlier date (it's about time) Mr.Bill Feb 2019 #52
Harris all the way. Not white. Not a man. Period. nt MadDAsHell Feb 2019 #53
I'm with you. And with good reason. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #125
we definitely have a wealth of qualified candidates fishwax Feb 2019 #58
I think I'll want to see how they all campaign against each other. GaYellowDawg Feb 2019 #59
Right now, I'm for all of them. Iggo Feb 2019 #60
I'm not going to jump on any bandwagons yet because there is a whole caravan of them The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #63
Totally agree. nt SunSeeker Feb 2019 #67
Today, I think Kamala won the millennials WhiteTara Feb 2019 #68
Hey, you. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #69
Hey You! WhiteTara Feb 2019 #74
I have been in some strange head space too. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #78
Turnout for a Harris-O'Rourke ticket would top the 2008 numbers. Bank on it. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #80
That would have a couple of interesting aspects to it. DFW Feb 2019 #89
1 reason, though not the only 1, why I'm opposed to Brown being on the ticket is... Garrett78 Feb 2019 #90
He just won re-election last year DFW Feb 2019 #92
A lot of people seem to think we'll have no problem taking control of the Senate in 2021. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #104
I unfortunately agree DFW Feb 2019 #106
There's the simple fact that the Senate is an anti-democratic institution. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #110
Not having that way would have been a deal-breaker--in 1787 DFW Feb 2019 #113
I think we now have 80 times as many people here in California. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #116
I think we have to look at the experiences that candidates bring. Quite a lot of depth for Dems. YOHABLO Feb 2019 #76
It would be nice if we did not have Turbineguy Feb 2019 #77
Yeah, well. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #79
I'm still waiting for someone who appeals to me. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #84
There's lots of talent in the presidential pool. MineralMan Feb 2019 #96
Isn't it the best problem ever? Codeine Feb 2019 #102
Exactly! sheshe2 Feb 2019 #105
KH Is Still #1 For Me Me. Feb 2019 #103
Present State of Democratic Candidates Beowulf42 Feb 2019 #108
:) For me way too early, Sheshe. I'll entertain myself Hortensis Feb 2019 #111
Agreed, great field, hard choice... Wounded Bear Feb 2019 #114
It's early and the field is large peggysue2 Feb 2019 #119
I'm hoping for a female-dominated primary debate! Reader Rabbit Feb 2019 #120
Don't stress yourself out. Just listen to what they have to say, and tune in to the debates. You've Nitram Feb 2019 #121
I am not stressed at all. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #122
"I'm going to have a real hard time here," would generally be considered a symptom of stress. But I Nitram Feb 2019 #123
Yes I was. Thanks for getting it, Nitram. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #124
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