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75. "The Irish Sinn Fein party(not exactly right-wing)"

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what about rape victims who get pregnant and choose to have it? [View all] Green_Lantern Aug 2012 OP

Um..it's pro-*choice*... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #1

CHOICE....nowhere are you seeing anyone saying a woman raped must get an abortion. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #2

I know it is a choice but is it being implied that not having the rapist's baby is preferable.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #25

Where is that being implied? yardwork Aug 2012 #29

Yes, I missed that memo too get the red out Aug 2012 #35

Quick! Stop talking about this! It sounds like we're DEMANDING ABORTIONS!!!!! yardwork Aug 2012 #43

WHAT DO WE WANT? CatWoman Aug 2012 #58

I'll one up you: GAY ABORTIONS!!!!! WHEN DO WE WANT THEM???? NOW!!!!! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #154

*snort* CatWoman Aug 2012 #236

It is obviously implied NOWHERE, which is why the OP ceased to respond to this line of questioning. renie408 Aug 2012 #201

and I responded to the poster Marrah_G Aug 2012 #230

My friend, it has been implied, but not by everyone Marrah_G Aug 2012 #229

here Marrah_G Aug 2012 #231

No, that doesn't imply an abortion is preferable muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #237

It might not imply it to you Marrah_G Aug 2012 #238

most people on du get what choice is. i have yet to hear it suggest something wrong with the woman seabeyond Aug 2012 #55

Please provide a link where DUers "implied that not having the... Spazito Aug 2012 #56

here is one example of an unitentionally hurtful post Marrah_G Aug 2012 #232

No it isn't. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #91

There is an implicit judgement there metalbot Aug 2012 #117

No, I don't see any implicit judgement there. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #119

No there isn't, unless you ignore the phrase "Should be forced to" nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #178

I will not only imply it, but would 100% choose abortion if I got pregnant from violence. lies and propaganda Aug 2012 #114

Nothing for them either get the red out Aug 2012 #3

1++++++++ patrice Aug 2012 #9

Someone just posted that 30% of women do so but the terrible thing was pnwmom Aug 2012 #4

Um... Aristus Aug 2012 #50

No, it's up to a judge to determine if and what parental rights they can exercise NotThisTime Aug 2012 #69

To be fair... metalbot Aug 2012 #118

Anger should never be underestimated. That said, I think anyone who can do as you patrice Aug 2012 #5

I think the choice should be the woman's Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #6

Well, Akin would damn sure be against giving 'em welfare. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #7

and another thing. i want a law that IF a woman is raped and preg, the rapist does NOT seabeyond Aug 2012 #8

1+++++++ and shouldn't that include a fine anyway too? I would say no child-support, just a fine, patrice Aug 2012 #14

i could go with that. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #17

I'd want that iron-clad. He. is. NOT. the. father. period! & the fine cannot be included in bankrupt patrice Aug 2012 #34

... and the "his estate" bit is non-negotiable too. There are concrete real world reasons for that. patrice Aug 2012 #65

Is this if someone is convicted of rape or just accused? Does it include kelly1mm Aug 2012 #92

Most of the states with statutes like this enlightenment Aug 2012 #103

That would be hard to inforce if... Heather MC Aug 2012 #93

yes. i recognize the pit falls. and i am all for protecting a fathers right. seabeyond Aug 2012 #94

Because women NEVER lie about being raped, right? Let me tell you about a client I had. kelly1mm Aug 2012 #98

Your case is a perfect example of why a law like that Heather MC Aug 2012 #109

It would be very difficult (and I would argue wrong) if their was no conviction kelly1mm Aug 2012 #110

Rapists should have no visitation ritghts to the woman or the child. If it is proven that they are smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #112

but it doesn't-rapists ARE being awarded visitation catbyte Aug 2012 #169

Oh, please... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #10

Maybe you read a different OP than I did. Green Lantern did not imply that there is "something wrong patrice Aug 2012 #18

Oh, bullshit hlthe2b Aug 2012 #20

What's the matter, Green Lantern not part of some clique here? Issue-ownership? Or is it just patrice Aug 2012 #27

once again.... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #30

I agree with Patrice. Your reaction to the OP makes no sense. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #122

You are clearly in the minority here hlthe2b Aug 2012 #124

You're projecting. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #125

and you are inexplicably defending those who would accuse pro-choice liberal/progressives hlthe2b Aug 2012 #127

That is not what the OP was doing. You are reading way too much into it for some reason. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #128

You need only read this thread to realize your interpretation is the minority view hlthe2b Aug 2012 #129

I didn't say all pro-choice supporters favored rape victims getting abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #130

" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." there is no difference and proved hlthe2bs seabeyond Aug 2012 #133

" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." that is exactly what HE was doing in seabeyond Aug 2012 #134

I'm seeing the exact same things in the OP's posts and so are many others. yardwork Aug 2012 #144

So, you are taking a stand against providing more support for mothers? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #146

it is this bullshit that is being called out. what a fuckin offensive comment for you to make. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #150

How do you know it removes anybody's reason for choosing an abortion? yardwork Aug 2012 #155

If some women are having abortions ONLY for financial reasons, shouldn't pnwmom Aug 2012 #148

believe that society should help pregnant women through their pregnancies seabeyond Aug 2012 #151

There's at least one example in this thread. pnwmom Aug 2012 #157

he is making an argument, fabricating an argument that is NOT there. did yardwork say that seabeyond Aug 2012 #165

Yardwork denied G.L.'s point that some women have abortions for financial reasons. pnwmom Aug 2012 #168

LOL! No, I did not say that. yardwork Aug 2012 #172

yardwork, I cut and pasted your quotes from #144 and #155. pnwmom Aug 2012 #177

Yes, you quoted me accurately, but you characterized my statements inaccurately. yardwork Aug 2012 #181

Neither GL nor I said it was anyone else's "business" why a particular woman decides to pnwmom Aug 2012 #194

yardwork is clearly taking exception to why, not what. ieoeja Aug 2012 #206

Where was anyone trying to make pregnant women feel guilty? pnwmom Aug 2012 #211

Thank you. I'm a woman. yardwork Aug 2012 #222

what does social service has to do with rape? that is with any preg. that is being a DEMOCRAT seabeyond Aug 2012 #170

Where has GL suggested that pro-choice shames women into getting abortions? pnwmom Aug 2012 #174

every. single. fuckin. post. of. HIS. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #176

Right. Nowhere that you can link to. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #180

+1 redqueen Aug 2012 #185

this thread is disgusting with the oh so smart man telling naive women what to think feel and seabeyond Aug 2012 #188

your reading comprehension is lacking Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #226

I was lectured for saying that Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #158

you are lectured for saying anyone is arguing that a woman must get an abortion seabeyond Aug 2012 #166

Who said they shouldn't? Nice straw man argument there. yardwork Aug 2012 #152

The OP is a dog whistle. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #221

+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #33

+1 obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #97

In a Fox News kind of way the OP did just that. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #208

You put words in my mouth and make my case... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #37

If you are raised in the Catholic Church treestar Aug 2012 #53

Hi there- Your post is what the OP is talking about Marrah_G Aug 2012 #233

No. I respect you, Marrah, but my post is NOT what the OP is all about hlthe2b Aug 2012 #239

I am very, very pro-choice Marrah_G Aug 2012 #240

You assume that I and others do not have first hand experience as well... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #243

my OP never mentions pro-choice liberals... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #246

Your post speaks for itself. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #247

I don't even want to think about the psychology involved hifiguy Aug 2012 #11

What about it? ananda Aug 2012 #12

The question you should have asked: fried eggs Aug 2012 #13

You are just making up shit or DURHAM D Aug 2012 #15

"You are just making up shit"... yup. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #19

No kidding. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #23

It looks to me like the OP (Matt) is conflicted on this issue and DURHAM D Aug 2012 #31

Ask Patrice... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #32

LOL - no thanks DURHAM D Aug 2012 #38

It happens because OP doesn't know or accept that there is one and only one way to patrice Aug 2012 #44

I will admit that OP could be fishing for something and I have a pretty good idea what that might patrice Aug 2012 #47

tell me if it shows up because I don't know what you mean... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #54

I have to go do laundry and stuff. That point-of-vew may avoid a thread I'm in anyway. patrice Aug 2012 #62

Really, because I have certainly gotten that feeling the last few days Marrah_G Aug 2012 #234

No the consensus is that women SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #16

Oh for God's sake. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #21

Do you know which night she's scheduled to speak at the RNC? Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #22

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #24

what a foul and disgusting accusation to make against other DUers. Sick hlthe2b Aug 2012 #26

pretty disgusting. wtf is the problem here. not only getting the garbage from repugs seabeyond Aug 2012 #60

DU is full of Repugs and "Libertarians". DURHAM D Aug 2012 #68

One would think that Libertarians would be in favor of choice but I've noticed that they're not. yardwork Aug 2012 #71

Funny...I think the pro-choice crowd here buys into the libertarian notion.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #78

have you EVER seen anyone suggest that we should not take care of those that are in need. ANOTHER seabeyond Aug 2012 #79

The "pro-choice crowd here" on DU should be 100% of members. yardwork Aug 2012 #80

if you say so.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #83

Seriously obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #102

I think the above post was sarcasm, maybe in poor taste CJCRANE Aug 2012 #86

Then perhaps the hide will reinforce on the poster (and others) that they can not assume hlthe2b Aug 2012 #95

That's fair enough... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #101

Your post sounds very insensitive to me. Maybe you didn't intend it that way. yardwork Aug 2012 #28

you are misunderstanding my post... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #41

Ok. Explain it then. It sounds like you're accusing women of demanding abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #42

This DURHAM D Aug 2012 #48

I didn't say women demanded abortion... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #49

And what the fuck would be wrong with that implication? yardwork Aug 2012 #59

You don't like women very much do you? gatorboy Aug 2012 #85

how does what I said show dislike for women? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #131

What fucking business of yours is it if a woman wants an abortion? neverforget Aug 2012 #115

I said nothing about whether or not women should get abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #132

you are right. 77% leaders for anti abortion are men. you are right, the choice is being taken away seabeyond Aug 2012 #135

It's none of your business how women make that choice. The law provides them with the choice. yardwork Aug 2012 #139

I don't support criminalizing abortion but making them rare... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #141

That's none of your business. It's not up to you to decide why women choose to have abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #143

you are misstating my position... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #147

"we need more support for people to raise kids." who doesnt support? strawman seabeyond Aug 2012 #153

+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #156

damnit if this man is not sounding like every other man that lectures ME on seabeyond Aug 2012 #163

Yep. Same exact words and behavior. yardwork Aug 2012 #167

the naive is what took it to this point. fuck... welcome to du. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #171

superiority in reading skills.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #162

no. most everyone gets what you are saying. and most everyone is calling you the fuck out seabeyond Aug 2012 #175

No...you are grandstanding and putting words into my mouth Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #189

bullshit. you throw out a lie as a truth in accusatory manner and want us to defend the fuckin lie. seabeyond Aug 2012 #190

you need to twist my words to make your argument... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #196

not really. look at the number of people saying the exact same thing to you. you need to run away seabeyond Aug 2012 #198

I really don't see what I've said offensive Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #203

of course you do not see it as offensive. i get that. nor does ryan, akin or any of the other seabeyond Aug 2012 #205

twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #210

you throw out bullshit and then cannot even address it. weak. so weak. seabeyond Aug 2012 #213

you must like the song Twist and Shout Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #215

ya, you cannot defend what you have done in this thread. the people hurt and falsely accused by you seabeyond Aug 2012 #217

Try to see it from our perspective catbyte Aug 2012 #164

Your question in the OP was different muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #241

Notice I never said I was refering to DUers.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #248

So why did you post it on DU? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #249

My mistake was in not making myself clear enough... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #251

I know someone who met a young lady recently whom, if I take her at her word, is more than willing patrice Aug 2012 #57

~facepalm~ Marrah_G Aug 2012 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Aug 2012 #244

You know who I'm pissed off at in that case? DevonRex Aug 2012 #36

A False Equivalent...and a War on Women Bait. cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #39

Here's my 2 cents - this should all be 'NONE OF OUR BUSINESS' LynneSin Aug 2012 #40

that is another point...the issue has become rape and abortion Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #46

+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #113

Choose? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #45

No, it's not being implied. reflection Aug 2012 #51

The true agenda is revealed a little more in this post: yardwork Aug 2012 #61

I didn't read anything Machiavellian into it reflection Aug 2012 #72

It's far less subtle than Machiavelli. This has all the subtlety of a trainwreck. yardwork Aug 2012 #73

More common than you think FightForMichigan Aug 2012 #52

The only "wrong" thing is that people OUTSIDE the situation want to pass laws telling the woman JoePhilly Aug 2012 #63

The word you need here is not 'imply' but 'infer' Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #64

Some people don't think we REALLY mean Choice. & Good! catch on imply vs. infer! patrice Aug 2012 #67

Then that is their choice, just like women who under law are allowed to make a different choice NotThisTime Aug 2012 #66

Good for them, if that is what they choose to do. Quantess Aug 2012 #70

Pro-choice on abortion is mythical in the US... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #74

"The Irish Sinn Fein party(not exactly right-wing)" Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #75

Democrats and progressives, as well as nearly ALL "pro-choice" people in the U.S. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #88

no, I'm not saying pro-choice groups are forcing women to get abortions Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #136

If you are still looking for the answer to your worldview tnvoter Aug 2012 #142

I'd say there's still far MORE pressure for women to quit their jobs, stay home, and have kids Ken Burch Aug 2012 #149

You should start listening to what PRO-CHOICE WOMEN are saying. redqueen Aug 2012 #193

You realise Sinn Fein is saying abortion should only be allowed for rape or grave risk to health? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #245

no...sorry, I wasn't aware of what the British abortion law did.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #250

this feels like a made up problem. like you in particular are making up this problem La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2012 #76

Where is that being implied? drm604 Aug 2012 #77

I think we are just making sure there is choice... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #81

It's all about choice. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #82

What a terribly odd question. gatorboy Aug 2012 #84

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #87

No one was implying that at all, and you know it. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #89

I hope they have a happy life loyalsister Aug 2012 #90

My only concern in this place gollygee Aug 2012 #96

it's their choice.... spanone Aug 2012 #99

Here is a relevent article from The Declassified Adoptee: me b zola Aug 2012 #100

Many years ago a friend was raped Frances Aug 2012 #104

That too is a choice bluestateguy Aug 2012 #105

Why do you "hope" that? Don't you have anything better to worry about? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #106

not necessarily pro-choicers but I do think.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #137

why should they admit it? what do you gain with women admitting it? seabeyond Aug 2012 #182

another twist of my words by you... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #192

are you fucking serious? this is what you reduce rape to? just a shrug? should have no effect seabeyond Aug 2012 #197

see...I told you that you would twist my words Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #209

you minimize rape. you minimize the experience. you want to pin the rape on the child as what? seabeyond Aug 2012 #212

Twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #216

how old are you, 5? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #218

Is it me? I feel like we are talking about this from the right.... chowder66 Aug 2012 #107

Good point. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #202

What about them? Warpy Aug 2012 #108

You are disinjenous and confused. GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #111

That would be their choice. ALL women should be allowed CHOICE. Their bodies, their choice. Autumn Aug 2012 #116

it's their CHOICE JI7 Aug 2012 #120

as a survivor salin Aug 2012 #121

I am not talking about the force of law... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #138

There's a lot of societal pressure against women, as your posts in this thread demonstrate. yardwork Aug 2012 #140

wow that sounds naive.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #145

why should a woman who is raped but decides to keep the baby have to "admit" it is a rape victim? seabeyond Aug 2012 #161

who is lecturing? you are sounding paranoid Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #183

i dont sound paranoid. i should sound fuckin pissed. you like to project shit onto people seabeyond Aug 2012 #186

I didn't say anything about "women who get raped should do this or that" Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #199

again as a survivor... salin Aug 2012 #253

Pro-choice is about giving women power over their own bodies, it's not pro-abortion. MatthewStLouis Aug 2012 #123

............... pbmus Aug 2012 #126

hahahaha.... NOPE fascisthunter Aug 2012 #159

If men Aerows Aug 2012 #160

How many women who've been raped by their husbands keep the baby? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #173

It has always been about choice, however if incest is still_one Aug 2012 #179

This post sounds very concern-troll-ish. stevenleser Aug 2012 #184

My 12 year old friend who was raped HockeyMom Aug 2012 #187

this argument was in the back of my mind thru out. it is easy for the men to demand OTHER women seabeyond Aug 2012 #191

I knew somebody this happened to and being Catholic she opted to have Cleita Aug 2012 #195

Why didn't you just write "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!"... renie408 Aug 2012 #200

Eh. Straw man alert. Where do you get that implication? It is trollish to raise issues yellowcanine Aug 2012 #204

Addressing the phrase "rapist's child" Purple_Vines Aug 2012 #207

Thank you for your post. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #219

What about the rapist who gets his victim pregnant and wants her to have it? Tikki Aug 2012 #214

Unreal-if you are opposed to abortion then don't have one Progressive dog Aug 2012 #220

how do you people get this out of the OP? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #224

Why else would you make the OP? Progressive dog Aug 2012 #227

Not a choice I'd make in that situation but if that's what she wants 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #223

shun them Enrique Aug 2012 #225

I have a couple comments on the topic Marrah_G Aug 2012 #228

The point is that no law should force ANY woman to give birth. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #242

Remember the concept of " Pro Choice " orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #252