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Cold War Spook

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99. Here is a few things you don't know about me.

Tue Feb 12, 2019, 05:32 PM

Feb 2019

I am Jewish and no I don't hate the fact I am Jewish. Do I practice my religion? No, I don't practice any religion. I believe in God, I don't believe in religions. I am 75, White and a disabled veteran. Do I believe there will be peace in the Middle East, no, even if there weren't any Jews, there will never be peace in the Middle East. In basic training I was taught to shoot the M-14 and received my expert badge. I never fired or even held a weapon after that. I was in from 63-67 and my records are still flagged. I can tell you that I went to the Defense Language Institute in Monterey CA where I spent one year learning Russian and getting 23 college credits through UC Berkeley. Even my family did not know what training I had after that or where I was stationed overseas. My unit was the Army Security Agency which if you google it you will see what agency we were assigned to. The problem with Israel and the Palestinians is neither side, at this point, is willing to trust the other side and I do not have a clue what can be done to bring that about. To me, the Democrats and Republicans in this country are having a love affair compared to the Middle East. I said I believe in God, unfortunately I do not believe in human kindness. It is nice to have this give and take with someone who is passionate and intelligent. I mean that.

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Israel is not a race or a religion [View all] Soxfan58 Feb 2019 OP

IBTL. Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #1

Agreed Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #2

Agreed Pacifist Patriot Feb 2019 #3

Well stated SallyHemmings Feb 2019 #4

My thoughts exactly. Charade walkingman Feb 2019 #5

You're right, criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitic, BUT fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #6

I agree! Soxfan58 Feb 2019 #13

Well then, AIPAC should apologize too DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #21

AIPAC isn't a person. But Netanyahu is. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #45

AIPAC is made up of of people DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #47

Another Israel is Possible: AIPAC Money Should Go to Solving It McKim Feb 2019 #56

AIPAC does not want that Israel. SQUEE Feb 2019 #112

I have not read the tweet(s), so I don't have context here. LakeSuperiorView Feb 2019 #22

But, her criticism of AIPAC is accurate. HootieMcBoob Feb 2019 #27

anti-Semitic tropes??? Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #62

If the only way you can criticize is by using anti-Semitic tropes, fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #105

And calling anything a trope Trumpocalypse Feb 2019 #107

Claiming lobbyist groups putting money into congresses pockets is now anti Semitic tropes lancelyons Feb 2019 #103

AIPAC is not a Political Action Committee fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #104

Since nobody said it was leftynyc Feb 2019 #7

many people do conflate Israel and Judaism. cab67 Feb 2019 #8

It obviously depends on the criticism leftynyc Feb 2019 #10

I criticized the policy of establishing settlements in the West Bank. cab67 Feb 2019 #17

My friends there HATE that law leftynyc Feb 2019 #30

something occurs to me. cab67 Feb 2019 #57

If you trashed Bibi and the entire reason Israel is in place after 1948 that is not antisemitism. lancelyons Feb 2019 #34

Saying Israel has no right to exist leftynyc Feb 2019 #54

I can certainly talk about what Israel has done bad without being anti semitic. lancelyons Feb 2019 #63

You just changed the subject leftynyc Feb 2019 #64

I don't believe that ANY country has a "right to exist", including my own. Crunchy Frog Feb 2019 #111

Agreed. cab67 Feb 2019 #58

But criticism of lobbyists influencing Republican politicians is IronLionZion Feb 2019 #9

The second problem with Rep. Omar's tweet was fountainofyouth Feb 2019 #11

the apology itself was half-hearted; dragging the NRA into the apology? oldsoftie Feb 2019 #26

Christian lobbyists influencing Christian Republicans is anti-Semitic IronLionZion Feb 2019 #40

well said handmade34 Feb 2019 #12

Do you have a link? For whatever reason, the text is showing as characters rather than letters. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #28

.... handmade34 Feb 2019 #36

I found it and was able to read the entire piece for additional context. Thanks. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #42

For some additional context, here's what Leonhardt writes next: lapucelle Feb 2019 #33

The problem was not criticism of Israel Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #14

She spoke specifically about a political action committee, not a religion or ethnicity Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #19

No, it's not that simple Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #31

Yes they are because they Lobby for pro Israel policy. Hard not to have associations there. lancelyons Feb 2019 #35

AIPAC routinely condemns people wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #67

And yet the association is there Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #80

So when and how wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #90

You don't suggest that "it's all about the Benjamins." Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #93

So here is the tweet she is responding to: wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #96

Who are you to suggest that I'm taking things "at face value" and have not dug deeply enough? Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #106

Her tweet is nothing noteworthy wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #108

And I'm sorry that you cannot see the problem Nonhlanhla Feb 2019 #109

Criticizing lobbyist money wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #110

Not initially. That was her second tweet. George II Feb 2019 #38

? Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #39

The tweets in question were posted all over DU yesterday. George II Feb 2019 #43

Thanks! Dennis Donovan Feb 2019 #44

THIS. Israel's government is controlled by strong Hortensis Feb 2019 #23

Well, Speaker Pelosi customerserviceguy Feb 2019 #15

Excellent point, we had no problem calling arthritisR_US Feb 2019 #16

Remember, Republicans want to divide us over Israel and Judaism. EndGOPPropaganda Feb 2019 #18

Yup ouija Feb 2019 #20

The GOP strategy, from Bari Weiss to McCarthy, is to get us to fight EndGOPPropaganda Feb 2019 #24

And as usual Democrats took the bait PatSeg Feb 2019 #37

And it is important that people grasp that with intellectual clarity pdsimdars Feb 2019 #25

As a congresswoman, Omar has no excuse for her shocking ignorance. Hortensis Feb 2019 #29

Point to where Omar specifically named Jews wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #68

Sophistry a bit? Point to where "Israel" and references to venality Hortensis Feb 2019 #70

You can't point to where Omar specifically referenced Jews wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #72

Then it's a bad look for our Democratic Party leadership, Hortensis Feb 2019 #73

Ad populum arguments are rhetorical fallacies wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #74

If you'd like to wait for the National Council of Churches to Hortensis Feb 2019 #75

If you'd like to wait for the National Council of Churches to Hortensis Feb 2019 #77

Exactly. Im shocked how we treat criticism of them as anti semitic. lancelyons Feb 2019 #32

It is possible to criticize Israel without invoking antediluvian anti-semitic tropes, yes? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #41

It depends on where you put the goalposts n/t wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #69

And how often you keep moving them... LanternWaste Feb 2019 #76

Not when any criticism is simply labeled as anti-Semitic, no (nt) Recursion Feb 2019 #71

That seems like a straw man DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #89

They don't say "all", they simply say it individually about every single example Recursion Feb 2019 #98

AIPAC's mission is to attribute all criticism of Israel to anti-semitism? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #100

Like many countries including Russia & the US yaesu Feb 2019 #46

Similarly, if you disagree with Fat Donnie's policies, it does not make you a Trump-hater, LastLiberal in PalmSprings Feb 2019 #48

True. But at the same time, the criticism must use a scalpel, not a kitchen knife. Honeycombe8 Feb 2019 #49

It's the policies, not the people patphil Feb 2019 #50

In a nutshell The Blue Flower Feb 2019 #51

Agreed bitterross Feb 2019 #52

Israel and the Israeli government are not one and the same beastie boy Feb 2019 #53

I agree. Being anti-Israeli policies, and being anti-Semitic PatrickforO Feb 2019 #55

How Much Anti Semitism Does Having Snipers Shoot Protesting Children RAAD2 Feb 2019 #59

But the US Government generally backs the Israeli Government guillaumeb Feb 2019 #60

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #61

Because that isn't in the news? HopeAgain Feb 2019 #78

While true, the situation is more complicated than that. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #65

"Also, ALL countries have questionable policies, not just Israel." FiveGoodMen Feb 2019 #82

No. Not all, just the ones that give us things we really want. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #95

Europeans came to the "New World" and took the land from the indigenous people. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #66

where are the phonecians? Mosby Feb 2019 #79

Israel is the result of European anti-Semitism BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #81

not even close to the truth Mosby Feb 2019 #84

Lol, ok BeyondGeography Feb 2019 #87

not a fan of history? Mosby Feb 2019 #91

Arab conquest of the Levant Mosby Feb 2019 #92

The Jewish people are not indigenous to what is now Israel. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #85

science proves you wrong Mosby Feb 2019 #88

You don't know me or anything about me. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #94

the fact that the likud and a few others engaged in terrorism... Mosby Feb 2019 #97

Here is a few things you don't know about me. Cold War Spook Feb 2019 #99

What is so hard to understand? RelativelyJones Feb 2019 #83

I look at the Israeli-Palestinian conflict as the longest running civil war in history. Xolodno Feb 2019 #86

From J Street Gothmog Feb 2019 #101

Agreed. This carp we are today is I sanity lancelyons Feb 2019 #102