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radius777

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8. Agree w/Maloney

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 04:01 PM

Feb 2019

Most regular NY'ers, including most PoC and most Dem voters, want Amazon to come because it would help to modernize the area and bring the high tech industry.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/14/nyregion/amazon-long-island-city.html

The people protesting were the Bernie/AOC type crowd.

As I've stated before, most NY'ers (as most big city people) are not left-wing populists, but center-left internationalists (iow, Clinton/Obama Dems) who embrace pro-business policies and trade, balanced w/gov't safety nets and reg's to protect the middle class.

Amazon was going to employ many of the people in the area, but they got shouted down, and said 'fuck it' - one of the biggest companies in the world (who other cities are lining up to welcome) is not going to deal with such bullshit.

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NY Dem Congresswoman Goes Off on Opposition to Amazon HQ2: 'Now We're Protesting Jobs?' [View all] DonViejo Feb 2019 OP

Maloney is wrong. We don't need this massive corporate welfare for the superrich manor321 Feb 2019 #1

They are protesting corporate welfare, $3 billion in tax abatements. muntrv Feb 2019 #2

Governor Cuomo said the state would get back $9 in taxes for every $1 in incentives. former9thward Feb 2019 #84

Good point. "I'm a progressive too, but I'm pragmatic," Maloney (Democrat in District) responded. Hoyt Feb 2019 #3

Not progressive enough to stand up for unions, though. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #13

Progressive enough to know that if we want healthcare, education, etc., someone Hoyt Feb 2019 #15

Not all corporations are as vehemently anti-union as Amazon. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #22

Not progressive enough to refuse to market and distribute books through Amazon... lapucelle Feb 2019 #27

OK, this will be used on AOC DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #4

Any company that brings 25,000 jobs Apollyonus Feb 2019 #33

I suggest you read DonCoquixote Feb 2019 #50

Those jobs would not have gone to the local community. NYC Liberal Feb 2019 #5

+1 Anon-C Feb 2019 #31

With an avg of 150k across 25k jobs they are looking for exact fits. Afromania Feb 2019 #36

Cleveland and other small cities need Amazon way more than NYC sharedvalues Feb 2019 #6

Bernie said said the feds should cut off highway funds to states that undercut each other. mjvpi Feb 2019 #55

Protesting crap wage jobs that will only enslave people Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #7

These would have been tech jobs Apollyonus Feb 2019 #34

Agree w/Maloney radius777 Feb 2019 #8

I've been a Californian for 33 years, grew up here Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #12

CA and WA were conservative Western states radius777 Feb 2019 #17

Bullshit Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #18

Yes and same with Seattle and Amazon. You described the situation accurately. suffragette Feb 2019 #25

WA still has no income tax radius777 Feb 2019 #56

WA is a divided purple state, mostly Republican east of the Cascades. Seattle is solidly blue and so suffragette Feb 2019 #62

Why are you bringing up Gates Sr.? former9thward Feb 2019 #90

Gates Sr. was the one who pushed for an income tax in WA last go around Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #92

Addressing the poster's point about progressiveness and income tax in WA and pointing out some suffragette Feb 2019 #94

Rahm Emanuel Made Interesting Comments on Last Night's Real Time dlk Feb 2019 #9

Saw Emanuel last night. Expected people to bash him today like they did Hoyt Feb 2019 #21

I thought he was excellent last night, and made many valid points OnDoutside Feb 2019 #88

Another treat for chuck toads " Dem's in disarray"narrative kimbutgar Feb 2019 #10

Protesting SHITTY jobs. And an inevitable affordable housing shortage. TygrBright Feb 2019 #11

Yeah, the jobs averaged $150K. This was not a shipping hub. Hoyt Feb 2019 #14

Exactly what the tech jobs in the Bay Area pay Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #16

You live in the Bay Area I assume? Hoyt Feb 2019 #19

North Bay. Yes. Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #38

But you can afford it and get to live in an area that most of us only dream of. Hoyt Feb 2019 #41

Exactly, nobody is entitled to live in prime real estate. radius777 Feb 2019 #53

What People Forget Me. Feb 2019 #58

The surrounding boroughs are affordable radius777 Feb 2019 #63

Really? Me. Feb 2019 #65

Fact of life radius777 Feb 2019 #70

You Are Kidding Yourself If You Think Yuppies Me. Feb 2019 #72

So not average working class jobs. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #23

I suspect current constituents in NYC aren't untrained, uneducated people. Hoyt Feb 2019 #26

Actually, you're quite wrong abou Maloney's district and contitituents. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #32

Well, she makes it sound in the OP like she has a constituency in need of jobs. Cuthbert Allgood Feb 2019 #37

The assumption seemed to be that people in her district would not be qualified enough for the jobs. lapucelle Feb 2019 #49

Couldn't the $3B in incentves create more good paying jobs than Amazon promised? eleny Feb 2019 #20

Except, it's not like there was $3 Billion in bank. NYC was forging $3 B Hoyt Feb 2019 #24

They can't offer a group of deals adding up to the same money to locals? eleny Feb 2019 #29

If you live there, have the skills, you'd have first shot a jobs. Hoyt Feb 2019 #35

NY was not writing a check to Amazon Apollyonus Feb 2019 #39

+1. Good luck. Hoyt Feb 2019 #43

ty kindly nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #44

Like I also asked - they can't offer that value of incentives to locals? eleny Feb 2019 #46

What do you want them to incentivize "locals" to do? N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #83

That's in my first post in this sub thread eleny Feb 2019 #87

That's not alternate proposal through which "locals" will bring in 25,000 jobs. N/T lapucelle Feb 2019 #91

All these people complaining about the 3 Billion are clueless madville Feb 2019 #52

+1,000,000 Apollyonus Feb 2019 #54

Exactly. Appreciate the data. There's a reason so many areas competed for them. Hoyt Feb 2019 #76

Exactly. Now NY gets nothing. radius777 Feb 2019 #61

I like that Kerry quote. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #69

I think we're protesting corporate welfare. Liberal In Texas Feb 2019 #28

Amazon says they would bring in 25,000 jobs by end of June 2028. At what would amount to a cost Nanjeanne Feb 2019 #30

Amazon already has a warehouse in Queens Apollyonus Feb 2019 #42

Wow, are there 25K unemployed high salary tech people in Queens? TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #47

If there wasn't enough local talent Apollyonus Feb 2019 #51

This! They would have to import people anyway. Why not go to someplace that is Squinch Feb 2019 #66

I'm sure that part of it is that they feel that they can attract the talent TexasBushwhacker Feb 2019 #68

+1 Me. Feb 2019 #59

We want an end to corporate welfare. Lunabell Feb 2019 #40

First of all.... quickesst Feb 2019 #45

Great post, thank you Apollyonus Feb 2019 #57

But.... quickesst Feb 2019 #77

Goddess tells them what to believe Apollyonus Feb 2019 #78

Hi-tech capital of the east coast.. ??? pangaia Feb 2019 #48

Here's my understanding of the position of the anti-Amazon folks... brooklynite Feb 2019 #60

Have you listened to any of the people who live in Seattle talking about their home before and Squinch Feb 2019 #64

Yup. And interesting article about how Amazon stopped the proposed "head tax" proposed Nanjeanne Feb 2019 #71

Yet Another Point Of View Me. Feb 2019 #74

Another point of view? I think Teachout is right and supports what was in the article Nanjeanne Feb 2019 #75

Teachout would have more credibility if she could win an election. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #80

I Do Too Me. Feb 2019 #81

We're gonna lose this propaganda fight. Adrahil Feb 2019 #67

It's horrible...it makes Republicans look like the party for jobs and Dems the party of job killers BluegrassDem Feb 2019 #86

This is an optics disaster to be gloating over killing R B Garr Feb 2019 #73

+1000 nt Apollyonus Feb 2019 #79

R B Garr. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #82

No one wanting those opportunities is going to give a crap about "sending messages", AncientGeezer Feb 2019 #89

Twitter's presence in San Francisco hasn't helped the city one bit. RandySF Feb 2019 #85

NY Dem Congresswoman needs to get a clue. shanny Feb 2019 #93