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catbyte

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102. Perhaps there are crickets because this story keeps changing and I don't know what to think.

Sat Feb 16, 2019, 11:10 PM

Feb 2019

I had posted an article about Smollet's non-cooperation with Chicago Police Department and was clobbered for it. I never said anything like "if he didn't have anything to hide, then why not cooperate?" but just noted that something about his story seemed "off." I'm as sensitive to racial attacks as anybody on this board. Growing up Ojibwe in northern lower Michigan, we were THE minority group. I've heard so many people refer to me, my friends, and family as "those dirty Indians" and that's one of the milder ones. I'm also the daughter of a cop and something just seems a little off about the whole incident. I'm reserving judgement in any case, because if the attack was legitimate, then the attackers need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. If it turns out he staged this, then he needs help.

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Remember when Jussie Smollett reported being attacked in a horrific anti-gay, anti-black hate crime [View all] EffieBlack Feb 2019 OP

I remember it well Empowerer Feb 2019 #1

Is there proof besides his word that he was attacked? Beakybird Feb 2019 #2

There's physical evidence that he was assaulted EffieBlack Feb 2019 #3

Just so you know jberryhill Feb 2019 #13

I'm an attorney and frequently use the terms interchangeably in normal conversation Empowerer Feb 2019 #17

Bragging about my experience? jberryhill Feb 2019 #20

Interesting EffieBlack Feb 2019 #21

Snicker. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #27

Thank goodness one can find the funny side of a bias attack jberryhill Feb 2019 #48

Because I was not responding to the OP jberryhill Feb 2019 #34

Since when do we put the onus of proof on the victim? KentuckyWoman Feb 2019 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #4

Enjoy your short stay. nolabear Feb 2019 #5

Oh, now I'm going to wonder what this fool said Clash City Rocker Feb 2019 #76

Better question... JHB Feb 2019 #6

What do you like on pizza NOYB? irisblue Feb 2019 #7

We'll never know... Aristus Feb 2019 #14

🍕 delievered. 😂 irisblue Feb 2019 #15

Yes. Aristus Feb 2019 #16

After going in to tbe basement of the interwebz, I found a copy, but can only get it to imgur irisblue Feb 2019 #18

I miss those. They should bring it back. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #82

Signed sealed delivered. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #28

Poster got tombstoned over questioning whether the story adds up. LisaL Feb 2019 #29

The problem... TeeYiYi Feb 2019 #133

Not everyone is as sheltered as you. WeekiWater Feb 2019 #8

You're still here... TeeYiYi Feb 2019 #9

Nothing but crickets so far, I see Empowerer Feb 2019 #10

Some of us have not changed our positions. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #12

Kick Empowerer Feb 2019 #11

Crickets, still Empowerer Feb 2019 #19

I'm not sure how the OP expects people to respond. cwydro Feb 2019 #22

It seems to be an accusation of some kind jberryhill Feb 2019 #31

Yes, it does seem a wee bit accusatory. cwydro Feb 2019 #33

It's one that wasn't on my radar jberryhill Feb 2019 #35

Yes, I missed most of the original story myself because I'm currently traveling. cwydro Feb 2019 #37

I can't tell jberryhill Feb 2019 #38

Lol. cwydro Feb 2019 #50

When is someone going to do something about all these crickets? jberryhill Feb 2019 #58

Nope. EffieBlack Feb 2019 #61

Yes. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #64

"many people here were very quick to question Smollett's story" jberryhill Feb 2019 #67

You've posted 10 times so far in this thread to snark or say you don't get my OP or you don't care EffieBlack Feb 2019 #68

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #69

"previous thread on the topic of this story-You will find a complete absence of any comment from me" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #70

Like i said jberryhill Feb 2019 #72

And maybe i should be more specific jberryhill Feb 2019 #71

Wow, dude. Just ask her to the prom already. Empowerer Feb 2019 #74

Bazinga! George II Feb 2019 #75

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #73

LOL! EffieBlack Feb 2019 #78

My suspicions about his story had nothing whatsoever to do with his phone. cwydro Feb 2019 #81

I'm uneasy with the blanket acceptance Swagman Feb 2019 #108

??? USALiberal Feb 2019 #23

Sounds like he's now being investigated for a possible hoax. Ace Rothstein Feb 2019 #24

It's getting weirder every day. cwydro Feb 2019 #25

Yes it does and as a Chicagoan, I will be upset he chose Chicago for the location to play out this lunasun Feb 2019 #44

Sources: Jussie Smollett staged attack with help of others, allegedly being written off 'Empire' madville Feb 2019 #26

Chicago police are denying these reports. Empire has also denied his being written off the show. grossproffit Feb 2019 #41

I don't know about him being written off. xmas74 Feb 2019 #79

Or maybe there was another reason altogether why he didn't turn over his phone. LisaL Feb 2019 #30

That's what I was thinking madville Feb 2019 #32

I've really reserved judgement on this for a while, but things aren't adding up. cwydro Feb 2019 #36

Does anybody know his motivation for lying? DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #39

The motivation suggested on the Chicago area stations is that he was being written off the show. cwydro Feb 2019 #40

Well. sheshe2 Feb 2019 #65

I think it was publicity. cwydro Feb 2019 #83

Reminds me of those faked receipts happybird Feb 2019 #104

Why wouldn't the police just subpoena the phone records? PTWB Feb 2019 #42

Probably already been done madville Feb 2019 #46

true USALiberal Feb 2019 #97

Word on the street... Dr. Strange Feb 2019 #100

presumably they would if they think the story is bogus Swagman Feb 2019 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author superpatriotman Feb 2019 #43

would he be ever justified with lying? Demonaut Feb 2019 #45

Nope madville Feb 2019 #47

This hasn't aged well. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2019 #49

noooope. 912gdm Feb 2019 #52

And looks worse by the day. n/t QC Feb 2019 #96

I wonder if she knows about self delete? Mosby Feb 2019 #125

Seems a fair question. Tipperary Feb 2019 #134

The last thing I paid attention to about this was that PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2019 #51

He declared unequivocally yesterday on GMA that those were the guys too. cwydro Feb 2019 #59

The one thing that struck me as odd GusBob Feb 2019 #53

I thought it odd that two MAGA supporters would recognize an actor in the middle of the night. cwydro Feb 2019 #55

Okay, but... MountCleaners Feb 2019 #62

Yep. xmas74 Feb 2019 #80

Yeah, I used to live in Boys Town MountCleaners Feb 2019 #86

All very odd DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #54

Sounding more and more the reason for not turning over the phone ... because it was a hoax Raine Feb 2019 #56

The lawyer for the two accused say they are friends with Smollett. cwydro Feb 2019 #57

rumor is that Smollett was going lose his TV role Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #85

Remember when the two people arrested in the case were coworkers of his? jberryhill Feb 2019 #60

Wait. Is that crickets I hear? cwydro Feb 2019 #63

Two arrests this afternoon - both charged with battery. Chicago police don't arrest suspects... George II Feb 2019 #66

Two men have been released without charging dalton99a Feb 2019 #77

And Smollet just hired Michael Monico as his defense attorney. Dr. Strange Feb 2019 #87

CPD now says they were released due to "new evidence" madville Feb 2019 #88

My guess madville Feb 2019 #84

And now, it turns out Smollett has hired Michael Cohen's attorney. cwydro Feb 2019 #89

CPD says they have new evidence from the two brothers madville Feb 2019 #90

Oh my. cwydro Feb 2019 #91

I'm thinking this isn't going to end well for someone. cwydro Feb 2019 #92

Latest news is Smollett has retained a defense attorney madville Feb 2019 #94

Chicago detectives are 'eager to speak to Jussie Smollett' after new information emerges madville Feb 2019 #95

Police sources: New evidence suggests Jussie Smollett orchestrated attack melman Feb 2019 #98

Brothers say Jussie Smollett paid them to participate in alleged attack, source says melman Feb 2019 #99

That answers the proof question. Apparently there are receipts! Beartracks Feb 2019 #101

Perhaps there are crickets because this story keeps changing and I don't know what to think. catbyte Feb 2019 #102

'I showed the cops my call history, but didn't want to give them possession of my phone' greyl Feb 2019 #103

Now it looks as though he is going before a grand jury. Tipperary Feb 2019 #135

Regardless of how this turns out, civil liberties exist for a reason.... SaschaHM Feb 2019 #105

You're absolutely right EffieBlack Feb 2019 #106

Perhaps another example might have served your case better. cwydro Feb 2019 #107

Actually, this example proves my argument perfectly EffieBlack Feb 2019 #115

No. It doesn't. cwydro Feb 2019 #116

You felt the need to devote considerable time and effort - and 20+ posts EffieBlack Feb 2019 #119

Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #120

"It takes me about 30 seconds to write a post" EffieBlack Feb 2019 #124

So I guess you are still arguing his credibility shouldn't be questioned? Despite the recent reports LisaL Feb 2019 #110

It is confusing, isn't it. cwydro Feb 2019 #111

If it should be used as an example, I would think that we shouldn't automatically believe LisaL Feb 2019 #112

Yes, I think the Smollett example has proved exactly the opposite point desired by those OPs. cwydro Feb 2019 #114

It's clear the point was completely lost on you EffieBlack Feb 2019 #117

If someone doesn't agree with you, then they miss the point? cwydro Feb 2019 #123

I'm not arguing that at all - never have EffieBlack Feb 2019 #118

he lied. Inkfreak Feb 2019 #113

yep. Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #121

He's made himself look stupid, if nothing else. cwydro Feb 2019 #122

So any thoughts on the damage this may do to credibility of future victims? MrGrieves Feb 2019 #126

Yes EffieBlack Feb 2019 #127

Huh? Tipperary Feb 2019 #131

This incident should be learning opportunity for everyone. Vinnie From Indy Feb 2019 #128

Agreed. MrGrieves Feb 2019 #129

+1 Sneederbunk Feb 2019 #130

+1 Power 2 the People Feb 2019 #132