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Laura PourMeADrink

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23. It's the eternal struggle between going full foward

Tue Feb 19, 2019, 05:42 PM

Feb 2019

With our progressive dreams of the way we want society to look and the practical reality of actually winning with that.

Like we know Republicans don't care about those less fortunate and want power and money for the top. But they don't actually SAY that! Why do we have to announce our plans??? We will scare so many people away. (Center right and conservative leaning Indies). And will give the other side fuel for critique. Why not just say your long term goal is universal coverage rolled out in a practical and affordable way over time. And then actually make that happen?

I work with a lot of fiscally conservative bankers who also have brains. They hate trump and are looking for the least liberal Dem if trump runs again. That's why I know from the depths of my soul that Biden could definitely win this.

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Klobuchar Runs to the Center [View all] babylonsister Feb 2019 OP

I'll definitely vote for "Mediocre" 2020... TCJ70 Feb 2019 #1

I'm always into logistics. Perhaps one of our candidates has done this and I havent Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #12

I have the same questions, not because I do not support "M4A" etc, pangaia Feb 2019 #26

Yes, it's not like trillions are just sitting in an untapped account Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #72

That. onecaliberal Feb 2019 #76

The last thing this country needs is a centrist. alarimer Feb 2019 #2

Most of the gettable votes are in the center... brooklynite Feb 2019 #4

Except Bernie wasn't the candidate. Doremus Feb 2019 #36

So BS didn't bring in new Democratic voters? lapucelle Feb 2019 #60

Says who? Doremus Feb 2019 #62

It wasn't Sanders, it was those self-identified progressives who refused to vote for the Democratic still_one Feb 2019 #65

Interesting that you place "self-identified progressives who refused to vote Doremus Feb 2019 #70

The reason why is because there were several factors involved, a perfect storm if you will. The still_one Feb 2019 #73

Labels like "centrist" and "progressive" are vague at best, lapucelle Feb 2019 #67

BTW, the issues many are calling "progressive" really are just average liberal ideals. Doremus Feb 2019 #37

"Why are we letting repukes frame them as socialism, etc.?" brooklynite Feb 2019 #42

Aren't things like affordable healthcare, livable minimum wage, et al in the Democratic sphere? Doremus Feb 2019 #64

Well, when "radical" is Medicare for All, we have a problem. alarimer Feb 2019 #41

Everything you say is true..but a huge fear factor is being safe enough to beat fatnixon. And Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #13

It's not like the policies don't hold a fascination for many conservatives. theaocp Feb 2019 #14

It's the eternal struggle between going full foward Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #23

Actually Andy823 Feb 2019 #17

I think that might be what makes the whole US different than Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #24

It's easy to get consensus for liberal policies that benefit everyone namahage Feb 2019 #45

Interesting take...never heard of before. You are Laura PourMeADrink Feb 2019 #48

It's a good move for the primary madville Feb 2019 #25

Medicare for all polls well MontanaFarmer Feb 2019 #29

Don't dismiss Klobuchar too quickly. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #51

The center of the Democratic party is still to the left of the political spectrum. n/t pnwmom Feb 2019 #57

disappointing bigtree Feb 2019 #3

Might be able to shake the cult loose from their delusions and help heal the country lostnfound Feb 2019 #5

"she did not participate in railroading of Franken..." brooklynite Feb 2019 #7

+1 Celerity Feb 2019 #9

Klobuchar told him to resign in private and called his resignation the right decision Celerity Feb 2019 #8

I'd hardly call that railroading backtoblue Feb 2019 #15

I never framed it as railroading so that is a non sequitur Celerity Feb 2019 #16

Yes elleng Feb 2019 #33

facts and figures will surely dominate the upcoming debates. nt oasis Feb 2019 #6

How many here watched her town hall on CNN last night? I recorded it and watched it KewlKat Feb 2019 #10

Yes, please post the transcripts ... I don't mind someone not lock stepping but offering SOMETHING uponit7771 Feb 2019 #11

She strikes me as a "pleaser" type DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #18

Zero chance here. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #28

Actually think this is a flawed strategy DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #34

That was how Clinton lost. marylandblue Feb 2019 #39

Technically, yes, but imo DeminPennswoods Feb 2019 #80

I agree. alarimer Feb 2019 #44

Nor will she get mine. smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #82

This sounds like a "hit job" FakeNoose Feb 2019 #19

Too bad. ananda Feb 2019 #20

For Klobuchar, it's all about winning Iowa and hoping that propels her forward. Garrett78 Feb 2019 #21

I like Amy Klobuchar more every time I see her speak. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #22

Yes! MontanaFarmer Feb 2019 #32

Yep. Me too. nt kstewart33 Feb 2019 #52

No thank you Amy. InAbLuEsTaTe Feb 2019 #27

We need someone who will BEAT trump, elleng Feb 2019 #30

I think this is incorrect alarimer Feb 2019 #49

+1 Celerity Feb 2019 #58

Sounds identical to all the rationalizations about Andrew Gillum Awsi Dooger Feb 2019 #71

Well said. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #53

I was feeling good about her until she started with the "aspirational" stuff. Vinca Feb 2019 #31

That's her lane. BannonsLiver Feb 2019 #35

I totally agree with you. babylonsister Feb 2019 #43

this sums it up nicely Kurt V. Feb 2019 #56

She supports free 2 year community college degrees marylandblue Feb 2019 #38

"... not for four-year college for all." That's quite a quote! David__77 Feb 2019 #40

I'm not sure I understand why she is running. BeckyDem Feb 2019 #46

Because most of the candidates are coasters. kstewart33 Feb 2019 #55

That's an odd position for an "asspiring" president loyalsister Feb 2019 #47

Wow I definitely cannot support workinclasszero Feb 2019 #50

Promising 4 years of college for free is pie in the sky. It doesn't have nearly the amount pnwmom Feb 2019 #59

Well how about student loan relief then? workinclasszero Feb 2019 #79

I would think there'd be much more support for that. One of my disappointments pnwmom Feb 2019 #81

You are exactly correct. I am so tired kacekwl Feb 2019 #63

Well, many democrats disagree with you. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #75

Glad someone agrees with me Freddie Feb 2019 #78

At least she's being real with herself Blue_Tires Feb 2019 #54

I guess that's it for Klobuchar and Sherrod Brown since they don't think Medicare is doable Hoyt Feb 2019 #61

only for those that are single issue voters, and don't care to look at the whole picture still_one Feb 2019 #66

+1. Although I'm not sure some of the posts really have to do with a single Hoyt Feb 2019 #69

Thankfully it is still a long way off, and hopefully we don't get into that situation, and "wise up" still_one Feb 2019 #74

I like Klobuchar and could support her easily Gothmog Feb 2019 #68

Sounds like she is running to where most democrats and Americans are. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #77