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106. OP has ignored both of your studies.

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Once again, legalizing prostitution INCREASES the incidence of human trafficking. [View all] Squinch Feb 2019 OP

K&R. Legalizing prostitution is just a smiley face sticker on social and economic inequality ck4829 Feb 2019 #1

Exactly. There seems to be a large contingent, I imagine of mostly men, who want to slap Squinch Feb 2019 #2

Well said. Your last line made me think of the Four Freedoms Memorial, the last two being c-rational Feb 2019 #40

Tell a woman in jail how much more free she is Hortensis Feb 2019 #87

No, we shouldn't throw people in jail because they are prostitutes ck4829 Feb 2019 #119

Absolutely. I strongly suspect the increase in trafficking Hortensis Feb 2019 #120

Exactly. Thank you! janterry Feb 2019 #3

You're welcomed, but I have no faith it will do any good. I post it every time there is a Squinch Feb 2019 #4

It's the old rube that justifies the 'john'. They say janterry Feb 2019 #5

That nasty ol' "scale effect" rears its ugly head again... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #6

Are you saying that, even if it increases human trafficking, you are still in favor of legalization? Squinch Feb 2019 #7

No. I am saying that they are two different, but related, questions. TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #8

In all policy decisions you have to weigh ALL the consequences, positive and negative. thesquanderer Feb 2019 #108

There are no ends that justify the means of allowing the enslavement of people. Squinch Feb 2019 #109

What ends justify the death of 30k people a year in car accidents? thesquanderer Feb 2019 #115

Every fucking time. Squinch Feb 2019 #116

Well that's a cogent counter argument... thesquanderer Feb 2019 #117

What do you think of Kamala Harris' support for decriminalization... thesquanderer Feb 2019 #121

By your logic there should be NO international trade because ... bad stuff. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #15

I did not say that, and I do not believe that... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #23

I don't agree with you Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #52

To your first point flibbitygiblets Feb 2019 #69

Well... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #71

oh gross treestar Feb 2019 #111

The modern, feminist objection isn't about morality. It's about commodity. kcr Feb 2019 #112

You don't see a huge difference when it comes to "sex work?" treestar Feb 2019 #110

Just for a point of dissent, ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #9

You say that "Done with the proper levels of oversight we can mitigate the black market." Squinch Feb 2019 #17

Your defn of prostitution as "twisted people attracted to little girls" is antiquated at best Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #19

except that if you actually read my opinion, you'll note that I clearly ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #105

Much better post than that other one. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #10

Nah. This one is foolish and cherry picks data. Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #20

Are you saying you liked my data? littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #24

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #11

Contested. Not the Australian Experience. crazytown Feb 2019 #12

Contested. Amnesty International crazytown Feb 2019 #13

Thanks for posting this. It's good to have a more complete picture. PTWB Feb 2019 #22

'No Smoking Gun' - OP study crazytown Feb 2019 #41

OP has ignored both of your studies. PTWB Feb 2019 #106

Problem is worldwide wage&wealth inequality, NOT prostitution. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #14

Prostitution is a good place to stop human trafficking. People who are enslaved today Squinch Feb 2019 #16

1) Can't be stopped. 2) Won't stop trafficking. 3) Stop creating more misery with victiimless crimes Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #18

Amsterdam has a huge problem with Asian and Eastern European women being trafficked. Squinch Feb 2019 #21

Prostitution is victimless. Pimping and trafficking are not. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #103

Legalizing driving has caused an increase in DWI's. That's true. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #25

This study is seriously flawed, since most of the 150 countries are corrupt 3rd world countries Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #26

Exactly. Exploitation of all kinds is rampant in places were laws are not enforced. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #28

Yes. Of course. Sweden is a corrupt 3rd world country. Squinch Feb 2019 #33

Can I ask you something? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #34

FFS, again. WTF does that have to do with anything? Squinch Feb 2019 #35

I just wanted to hear your take. I like to learn from others. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #38

The 2015 review found that one of the unintended consequences of the policy ... Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #39

So your position is that you would prefer that we not make your own daughter safer, not do what Squinch Feb 2019 #46

My position is the same as it was from my first post ... the study you cited is extremely flawed Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #49

Yes. Your objection to the inclusion of corrupt third world countries like Sweden. Squinch Feb 2019 #56

Ooh, appeal to emotion wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #58

While your lack of emotion over pervasive human trafficking really makes you cool. Squinch Feb 2019 #61

What is the point of conversing with someone who doesn't listen to a word I say Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #65

This post of yours is a reply to my reply to ANOTHER poster. If you thought I was speaking Squinch Feb 2019 #68

Nobody said I didn't care about human trafficking wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #76

This doesn't support your case. Squinch Feb 2019 #81

Correct. roamer65 Feb 2019 #113

Equating prostitution with sexual slavery is a mistake. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #27

Oh, FFS. Squinch Feb 2019 #30

We can agree we are both against human trafficking, aren't we? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #32

How about we all agree on one thing? watoos Feb 2019 #29

Exactly. Lots of powerful guys used and abused minors. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #31

If it became legal, isn't it still exploitation of women or even young women? imanamerican63 Feb 2019 #36

I agree but think prostitution should be legal crazytown Feb 2019 #43

Yes, because it being illegal has been SOOOOOOOOO successful in making it go away. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #37

And the study showed that making it illegal is even LESS successful. Do you really want to Squinch Feb 2019 #42

I have been saying this same thing about the "employers" of Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #44

But this study says that things do not get better, especially in wealthier countries. Squinch Feb 2019 #47

Not true. crazytown Feb 2019 #50

SMH. Squinch Feb 2019 #57

OK. Here's my quote crazytown Feb 2019 #73

Crickets crazytown Feb 2019 #90

You have completely misconstrued my statement. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #99

I didn't. And in no way did I mean to suggest that YOU want to enslave other people. I apologize Squinch Feb 2019 #100

Prohibition was, is, and will always be a failure, IF... MicaelS Feb 2019 #45

The very same thing DOES NOT happen where prostitution has already been legalized. Squinch Feb 2019 #48

Is the OP biblical? MrGrieves Feb 2019 #66

LOL! And is this what you consider a rebuttal? Squinch Feb 2019 #67

No, I didn't address the OP MrGrieves Feb 2019 #80

So you just go with your gut then. Enjoy! Squinch Feb 2019 #82

That is exactly the opposite of what I said MrGrieves Feb 2019 #104

Agreed. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #51

Yet the study shows that this is NOT what happened with legalized prostitution. Especially in Squinch Feb 2019 #64

No, not really, and it specifically cautions against drawing the conclusions you are claiming LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #84

"... the substitution effect has been dominated by the scale effect." That means that Squinch Feb 2019 #88

I want to see all enslavement and trafficking of all humans eradicated. In no way did I state, LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #91

Yet it had a very good effect when it was instituted in Sweden. Squinch Feb 2019 #93

Again, the authors specifically noted that might not be the case LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #95

Let me provide, then, an example closer to home. Squinch Feb 2019 #98

Great post. nt Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #107

What's the solution? IronLionZion Feb 2019 #53

Heavily fine the buyers and leave the sex workers alone. Squinch Feb 2019 #63

Should be decriminalized though ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #54

Heavily fine the buyers - really heavily - and leave sex workers alone. Squinch Feb 2019 #59

Yup ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #60

So what happens when robots replace people as sex workers? getagrip_already Feb 2019 #55

I disagree that it will be illegal in most places. I'd love to see it. Leave the enslaved and Squinch Feb 2019 #62

Issac Asimov would ask.... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #70

Soylent Green is PEOPLE! Squinch Feb 2019 #72

I can hear infowars running this any day now - that green new deal..... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #75

LED light bulbs are SATAN! Squinch Feb 2019 #78

You excluded the important footnote: Rizen Feb 2019 #74

Ah! Higher levels of human trafficking should be tolerated because the legal prostitutes pay taxes! Squinch Feb 2019 #77

The problem is you're treating this as a black and white issue Rizen Feb 2019 #83

No, I'm not. I understand that there are downsides of criminalization. But the enslavement Squinch Feb 2019 #85

You're perpetuating a system where we throw prostitutes into overcrowded prisons Rizen Feb 2019 #96

No I'm not. I understand that there are problems with our treatment of prostitutes. Squinch Feb 2019 #97

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #86

What part of these excerpts from your own source to support your contention that RI's Squinch Feb 2019 #89

Cool wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #92

Jesus. YOUR OWN article shows proof of increased human trafficking. It says that horrible Squinch Feb 2019 #94

State legalization wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #101

I wonder if this article is taking into account that many of the women who work as illegal Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #102

Hitting the nail on the head is better than hitting the head on a nail. Huin Feb 2019 #118

Russia is the one of largest sources of human sex trafficking. roamer65 Feb 2019 #114