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treestar

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111. oh gross

Sat Feb 23, 2019, 02:34 PM

Feb 2019

a woman marrying for money is getting a lot of money and a lot more than just money. Not that it's a recipe for happiness. But it's a lot better than having sex with different strangers over time. The "payor" is getting a lot more than sex, too, whatever social capital remains of your ability to buy a younger woman who everyone knows is only marrying him for his money, but he gets to fool himself about his desirability. He may not even be getting any sex, i.e. the Dotard.

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Once again, legalizing prostitution INCREASES the incidence of human trafficking. [View all] Squinch Feb 2019 OP

K&R. Legalizing prostitution is just a smiley face sticker on social and economic inequality ck4829 Feb 2019 #1

Exactly. There seems to be a large contingent, I imagine of mostly men, who want to slap Squinch Feb 2019 #2

Well said. Your last line made me think of the Four Freedoms Memorial, the last two being c-rational Feb 2019 #40

Tell a woman in jail how much more free she is Hortensis Feb 2019 #87

No, we shouldn't throw people in jail because they are prostitutes ck4829 Feb 2019 #119

Absolutely. I strongly suspect the increase in trafficking Hortensis Feb 2019 #120

Exactly. Thank you! janterry Feb 2019 #3

You're welcomed, but I have no faith it will do any good. I post it every time there is a Squinch Feb 2019 #4

It's the old rube that justifies the 'john'. They say janterry Feb 2019 #5

That nasty ol' "scale effect" rears its ugly head again... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #6

Are you saying that, even if it increases human trafficking, you are still in favor of legalization? Squinch Feb 2019 #7

No. I am saying that they are two different, but related, questions. TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #8

In all policy decisions you have to weigh ALL the consequences, positive and negative. thesquanderer Feb 2019 #108

There are no ends that justify the means of allowing the enslavement of people. Squinch Feb 2019 #109

What ends justify the death of 30k people a year in car accidents? thesquanderer Feb 2019 #115

Every fucking time. Squinch Feb 2019 #116

Well that's a cogent counter argument... thesquanderer Feb 2019 #117

What do you think of Kamala Harris' support for decriminalization... thesquanderer Feb 2019 #121

By your logic there should be NO international trade because ... bad stuff. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #15

I did not say that, and I do not believe that... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #23

I don't agree with you Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #52

To your first point flibbitygiblets Feb 2019 #69

Well... TreasonousBastard Feb 2019 #71

oh gross treestar Feb 2019 #111

The modern, feminist objection isn't about morality. It's about commodity. kcr Feb 2019 #112

You don't see a huge difference when it comes to "sex work?" treestar Feb 2019 #110

Just for a point of dissent, ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #9

You say that "Done with the proper levels of oversight we can mitigate the black market." Squinch Feb 2019 #17

Your defn of prostitution as "twisted people attracted to little girls" is antiquated at best Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #19

except that if you actually read my opinion, you'll note that I clearly ForgedCrank Feb 2019 #105

Much better post than that other one. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #10

Nah. This one is foolish and cherry picks data. Loki Liesmith Feb 2019 #20

Are you saying you liked my data? littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #24

+1000 smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #11

Contested. Not the Australian Experience. crazytown Feb 2019 #12

Contested. Amnesty International crazytown Feb 2019 #13

Thanks for posting this. It's good to have a more complete picture. PTWB Feb 2019 #22

'No Smoking Gun' - OP study crazytown Feb 2019 #41

OP has ignored both of your studies. PTWB Feb 2019 #106

Problem is worldwide wage&wealth inequality, NOT prostitution. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #14

Prostitution is a good place to stop human trafficking. People who are enslaved today Squinch Feb 2019 #16

1) Can't be stopped. 2) Won't stop trafficking. 3) Stop creating more misery with victiimless crimes Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #18

Amsterdam has a huge problem with Asian and Eastern European women being trafficked. Squinch Feb 2019 #21

Prostitution is victimless. Pimping and trafficking are not. Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #103

Legalizing driving has caused an increase in DWI's. That's true. Captain Stern Feb 2019 #25

This study is seriously flawed, since most of the 150 countries are corrupt 3rd world countries Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #26

Exactly. Exploitation of all kinds is rampant in places were laws are not enforced. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #28

Yes. Of course. Sweden is a corrupt 3rd world country. Squinch Feb 2019 #33

Can I ask you something? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #34

FFS, again. WTF does that have to do with anything? Squinch Feb 2019 #35

I just wanted to hear your take. I like to learn from others. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #38

The 2015 review found that one of the unintended consequences of the policy ... Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #39

So your position is that you would prefer that we not make your own daughter safer, not do what Squinch Feb 2019 #46

My position is the same as it was from my first post ... the study you cited is extremely flawed Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #49

Yes. Your objection to the inclusion of corrupt third world countries like Sweden. Squinch Feb 2019 #56

Ooh, appeal to emotion wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #58

While your lack of emotion over pervasive human trafficking really makes you cool. Squinch Feb 2019 #61

What is the point of conversing with someone who doesn't listen to a word I say Snake Plissken Feb 2019 #65

This post of yours is a reply to my reply to ANOTHER poster. If you thought I was speaking Squinch Feb 2019 #68

Nobody said I didn't care about human trafficking wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #76

This doesn't support your case. Squinch Feb 2019 #81

Correct. roamer65 Feb 2019 #113

Equating prostitution with sexual slavery is a mistake. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #27

Oh, FFS. Squinch Feb 2019 #30

We can agree we are both against human trafficking, aren't we? IluvPitties Feb 2019 #32

How about we all agree on one thing? watoos Feb 2019 #29

Exactly. Lots of powerful guys used and abused minors. IluvPitties Feb 2019 #31

If it became legal, isn't it still exploitation of women or even young women? imanamerican63 Feb 2019 #36

I agree but think prostitution should be legal crazytown Feb 2019 #43

Yes, because it being illegal has been SOOOOOOOOO successful in making it go away. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #37

And the study showed that making it illegal is even LESS successful. Do you really want to Squinch Feb 2019 #42

I have been saying this same thing about the "employers" of Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #44

But this study says that things do not get better, especially in wealthier countries. Squinch Feb 2019 #47

Not true. crazytown Feb 2019 #50

SMH. Squinch Feb 2019 #57

OK. Here's my quote crazytown Feb 2019 #73

Crickets crazytown Feb 2019 #90

You have completely misconstrued my statement. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #99

I didn't. And in no way did I mean to suggest that YOU want to enslave other people. I apologize Squinch Feb 2019 #100

Prohibition was, is, and will always be a failure, IF... MicaelS Feb 2019 #45

The very same thing DOES NOT happen where prostitution has already been legalized. Squinch Feb 2019 #48

Is the OP biblical? MrGrieves Feb 2019 #66

LOL! And is this what you consider a rebuttal? Squinch Feb 2019 #67

No, I didn't address the OP MrGrieves Feb 2019 #80

So you just go with your gut then. Enjoy! Squinch Feb 2019 #82

That is exactly the opposite of what I said MrGrieves Feb 2019 #104

Agreed. LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #51

Yet the study shows that this is NOT what happened with legalized prostitution. Especially in Squinch Feb 2019 #64

No, not really, and it specifically cautions against drawing the conclusions you are claiming LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #84

"... the substitution effect has been dominated by the scale effect." That means that Squinch Feb 2019 #88

I want to see all enslavement and trafficking of all humans eradicated. In no way did I state, LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #91

Yet it had a very good effect when it was instituted in Sweden. Squinch Feb 2019 #93

Again, the authors specifically noted that might not be the case LongtimeAZDem Feb 2019 #95

Let me provide, then, an example closer to home. Squinch Feb 2019 #98

Great post. nt Ferrets are Cool Feb 2019 #107

What's the solution? IronLionZion Feb 2019 #53

Heavily fine the buyers and leave the sex workers alone. Squinch Feb 2019 #63

Should be decriminalized though ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #54

Heavily fine the buyers - really heavily - and leave sex workers alone. Squinch Feb 2019 #59

Yup ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #60

So what happens when robots replace people as sex workers? getagrip_already Feb 2019 #55

I disagree that it will be illegal in most places. I'd love to see it. Leave the enslaved and Squinch Feb 2019 #62

Issac Asimov would ask.... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #70

Soylent Green is PEOPLE! Squinch Feb 2019 #72

I can hear infowars running this any day now - that green new deal..... getagrip_already Feb 2019 #75

LED light bulbs are SATAN! Squinch Feb 2019 #78

You excluded the important footnote: Rizen Feb 2019 #74

Ah! Higher levels of human trafficking should be tolerated because the legal prostitutes pay taxes! Squinch Feb 2019 #77

The problem is you're treating this as a black and white issue Rizen Feb 2019 #83

No, I'm not. I understand that there are downsides of criminalization. But the enslavement Squinch Feb 2019 #85

You're perpetuating a system where we throw prostitutes into overcrowded prisons Rizen Feb 2019 #96

No I'm not. I understand that there are problems with our treatment of prostitutes. Squinch Feb 2019 #97

K & R 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2019 #79

This message was self-deleted by its author wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #86

What part of these excerpts from your own source to support your contention that RI's Squinch Feb 2019 #89

Cool wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #92

Jesus. YOUR OWN article shows proof of increased human trafficking. It says that horrible Squinch Feb 2019 #94

State legalization wellst0nev0ter Feb 2019 #101

I wonder if this article is taking into account that many of the women who work as illegal Downtown Hound Feb 2019 #102

Hitting the nail on the head is better than hitting the head on a nail. Huin Feb 2019 #118

Russia is the one of largest sources of human sex trafficking. roamer65 Feb 2019 #114