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Ms. Toad

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56. I have an advantage -
Mon Feb 25, 2019, 10:27 PM
Feb 2019

as former outside counsel for a company that liked to describe themselves as a "fortune 1000" company and dealt regularly with both other companies and with state and federal governmental units I've written quite a few, none of them binding. I also currently teach contract law (among other subjects).

As to your first scenario, your PO is an offer, which the vendor accepts by either promising to ship or shipping (assuming the subject matter is the goods). You're actually likely creating multiple binding contracts is PO + the MOU provisions that are incorporated by reference that were accepted by eihter shipment or promise to ship by the vendor. The catch is that you could send a PO (an offer), and the vendor could just refuse to respond, and not be in breach (as a general rule) because the MOU does not (generally) create a binding obligation.

As to your second note - determation of whether something (scribbles on a napkin, a phone call, or even an MOU) is a contract all depends on what a reasonable person would determine the parties intended. So yes - an MOU can be a contract if the parties intend it to be one and its terms are specific enough to permit enforcement. But companies I've worked with generallly use them because they are expressly trying to avoid a contract for one reason or another.

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To Trump, Binding Agreements DON'T MEAN ANYTHING! Just ask the thousands of contractors he's fucked. TheBlackAdder Feb 2019 #1
Or ask his first two wives. Tanuki Feb 2019 #6
Or junior's wife. George II Feb 2019 #17
Or his current wife, come to think of it. Tanuki Feb 2019 #52
There you go PatSeg Feb 2019 #13
Then he and the Chinese will get along just fine. They both have the same attitude. TeamPooka Feb 2019 #23
The only think he finds binding is cheese. nt Snotcicles Feb 2019 #41
The world is laughing at us... Hekate Feb 2019 #2
Right in front of him. To his face. JHB Feb 2019 #36
In fairness True Dough Feb 2019 #3
. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #27
This message was self-deleted by its author Jarqui Feb 2019 #4
Nothing is binding to this clown, not an MOU, not a contract, not a promise mikehiggins Feb 2019 #5
Exactly. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #28
This is just shamefully embarrassing. PatrickforO Feb 2019 #7
Post removed Post removed Feb 2019 #8
I hate that word. and yet, after moments like this and many others he truly does seem TeamPooka Feb 2019 #24
When he doesn't know what something is, it "doesn't mean anything" Maru Kitteh Feb 2019 #9
Exactly right. Same with when he doesn't understand why something is important. JBoy Feb 2019 #12
There is *NO* surprise anymore about his ignorance, just about his supporters & collaborators. UTUSN Feb 2019 #10
Ignorant mother F'er. Pepsidog Feb 2019 #11
MOU not LOI Roy Rolling Feb 2019 #14
Thank you underpants Feb 2019 #15
This belpejic Feb 2019 #20
It's his REFUSAL to be educated about anything that's the real problem William Seger Feb 2019 #16
Another Problem erpowers Feb 2019 #19
To be fair Sgent Feb 2019 #26
No, he HAD to correct him William Seger Feb 2019 #34
With trDump,... magicarpet Feb 2019 #51
Yeah, Lighthizer gave up pretty quickly: "trade agreements, ok?" William Seger Feb 2019 #53
The only thing truly binding with trump is his stupidity. nt DirtEdonE Feb 2019 #18
haha. Trump clearly didn't even know what the letters "MOU" stood for, tries to save face. ha ha Demovictory9 Feb 2019 #21
MOUs are common in non-government business as well Retrograde Feb 2019 #22
What an idiot. That is THE stupidest thing I have heard defacto7 Feb 2019 #25
Hell, it isn't just that he doesn't know, it that he REFUSES TO LISTEN OR LEARN RockRaven Feb 2019 #29
U. Penn. Yavin4 Feb 2019 #30
I like to say Pres-tidigitation is an idiot and he is. littlemissmartypants Feb 2019 #31
Nope. MOUs generally are NOT binding. OneBro Feb 2019 #32
Yes they are. underpants Feb 2019 #38
Well, good luck to any litigant who sues based solely on an MOU. OneBro Feb 2019 #58
Question: On the web site Google Translate.... KY_EnviroGuy Feb 2019 #33
Word to the wise: even a broken clock is right twice a day. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #35
The MOU's I've dealt with are binding contracts underpants Feb 2019 #37
Go look up the legal definition of MOU. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #47
Well you are right. underpants Feb 2019 #50
I have an advantage - Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #56
No, he still wasn't right, because whatever you call it... William Seger Feb 2019 #43
The fact that is the only agreement Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #44
But this is a specific case of an MOU William Seger Feb 2019 #46
What is your basis for saying it is legally binding Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #48
An MOU is considered to be a contract if... William Seger Feb 2019 #49
The conversation I listened to wasn't specific to this deal. Ms. Toad Feb 2019 #57
:) , but same old depraved whack job, nothing new. Hortensis Feb 2019 #39
His malignant narcissism in full view. BSdetect Feb 2019 #40
Wait a minute. This is a real weak weakness in Trump. raging moderate Feb 2019 #42
Stunning stupidity. femmocrat Feb 2019 #45
So much for him knowing the "Art of the deal". Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Feb 2019 #54
The 'art' is cleverly changing the terms before drawing up the final paperwork localroger Feb 2019 #55
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