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LisaM

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82. Or asking someone to prove a negative...

Tue Feb 26, 2019, 04:47 PM

Feb 2019

or ignoring evidence someone's posted as if it's not there.

I remember getting in a pointless argument years ago with someone who refused to equivocate "particles" with "particulate matter" regarding pollution (this was not at DU, BTW) and the guy wouldn't let go, no matter how many times I linked to sources, pretended to be a world expert on the topic, and so on, with the apparent purpose of either wearing me down or driving me batty or discrediting the concept of pollution entirely (he seemed to be some shill for industry regarding climate change).

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Sealioning, no not the animal, the behavior on social media and a point [View all] irisblue Feb 2019 OP

There is no shortage of sea lions right here at DU. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #1

Can you prove that? Do you have any stats to back that up? Oh, your post aggrieves me! *faints* Bucky Feb 2019 #18

I've been watching Trump so maybe I can make up some compelling stats comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #29

I wonder if DownriverDem Feb 2019 #43

At a minimum 86.324% do support Democrats comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #47

Journal of Irreproducible Results wryter2000 Feb 2019 #50

But do 99.713% of the best people agree with you 100%??? dameatball Feb 2019 #68

Sometimes they do comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #70

Can't argue with that! dameatball Feb 2019 #74

YES! lillypaddle Feb 2019 #66

And this "SeaLioning" is a bad thing? LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #73

Asking for facts to support a position one has taken is fine. comradebillyboy Feb 2019 #78

I would agree with being deliberately obtuse LiberalLovinLug Feb 2019 #83

And here I thought that was called Dinesh D'Souzaing. NT mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #2

It's older than D'Ishonest D'zaster JHB Feb 2019 #9

D'Ishonest D'zaster Bucky Feb 2019 #20

@KevinMKruse, on twitter, is a brilliant historian and has a sub specialty on 'dunkin' on Dinesh' irisblue Feb 2019 #10

a thread of all the *other* historians who've debunked @DineshDSouza on Twitter. mahatmakanejeeves Feb 2019 #21

Yeah I bookmarked that. irisblue Feb 2019 #22

*snort* smirkymonkey Feb 2019 #56

Got any evidence, please? snort Feb 2019 #3

I posted 2 websites. irisblue Feb 2019 #5

I have most of the sealions on ignore. demmiblue Feb 2019 #4

I'd come across the term on DU a few years back LanternWaste Feb 2019 #6

Beat me to it. JHB Feb 2019 #8

Thanks for the cartoon irisblue Feb 2019 #13

well... qazplm135 Feb 2019 #44

I know that user very well. One of at least three who used to continually follow me around DU... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #51

.... George II Feb 2019 #85

A lot of that goes on. It's so easy to spot people who do that and I've decided I don't need to play Autumn Feb 2019 #7

Just curious: Why are they called sealions? nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #11

Chech out post#6 irisblue Feb 2019 #15

Yes, I saw that. But I still don't understand what it is about the animal sea lion that tblue37 Feb 2019 #17

Because they pop up suddenly, bark and bellow, and then submerge again . . hatrack Feb 2019 #26

Ah--now I understand. Thanks. nt tblue37 Feb 2019 #31

As A Toddler RobinA Feb 2019 #33

Also, they never STFU. maxsolomon Feb 2019 #55

Also, they park themselves right in the way and won't budge Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #63

Large, aggressive and smelling of fish? The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #57

This is a good OP to bookmark for future reference. lpbk2713 Feb 2019 #12

:blush: irisblue Feb 2019 #35

Tons of that here melman Feb 2019 #14

That's not why the sealioning is in their signature line ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #23

Your opinion melman Feb 2019 #24

I know who you are talking about ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #27

Look melman Feb 2019 #28

That's not my style ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #30

This is a complete misrepresentation on your part. R B Garr Feb 2019 #77

Haha.. No, it's Not "the end" just Cha Feb 2019 #86

It's not an opinion. George II Feb 2019 #92

I hadn't seen that. demmiblue Feb 2019 #41

Amazing melman Feb 2019 #58

This post reminds me of a biblical quote ismnotwasm Feb 2019 #71

+++ brer cat Feb 2019 #91

I'd imagine they use it draw attention to the concept rather than illustrate an alleged pride. LanternWaste Feb 2019 #61

This is inappropriate mcar Feb 2019 #79

All I can say is if certain things happen again, we better all start learning russian. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2019 #87

.... George II Feb 2019 #84

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Feb 2019 #88

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #93

Imo, Melman, that person is one of the more thoughtful Hortensis Feb 2019 #89

Strawmen zipplewrath Feb 2019 #16

I can see your points. It is a grey area irisblue Feb 2019 #34

I do get that part zipplewrath Feb 2019 #37

Not sealioning to ask for credible links/refs. Sealioning to never be satisfied & never stop. . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #64

I have never seen this at DU. No, not once. Ever. Stinky The Clown Feb 2019 #19

I have to own up to being guilty of this Bucky Feb 2019 #25

I think that it is contextual. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #90

I'm not really sure where I fall on this. bearsfootball516 Feb 2019 #32

Near as I can tell zipplewrath Feb 2019 #38

Or asking someone to prove a negative... LisaM Feb 2019 #82

Interesting, I did not know it had a name apart from just ms liberty Feb 2019 #36

Easy one. grumpyduck Feb 2019 #39

I had"debates" with a couple of those in 2016. Panich52 Feb 2019 #40

Isn't That Just Being Obtuse? jayfish Feb 2019 #42

I like & use the term "being obtuse" as well. irisblue Feb 2019 #45

Right, But "Sealioning". jayfish Feb 2019 #49

... NurseJackie Feb 2019 #52

Okay, it is made up, as all language is. irisblue Feb 2019 #53

It isn't a term you can intuitively guess at either lunatica Feb 2019 #67

Nope. Some people just are dense. Sealioning is being WILLFULLY obtuse, repetitively, annoyingly. nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2019 #65

and, if a person does get emotional/angry in a response NewJeffCT Feb 2019 #46

And, any source given to them is immediately ignored. Oneironaut Feb 2019 #48

I didn't know there was a word for it, but there's plenty of it here. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2019 #54

Obviously we need a whole new type of dictionary lunatica Feb 2019 #59

We already have it. Fer'instance... JHB Feb 2019 #69

I think it depends on whether the person asking the question is doing so in good faith-they really jalan48 Feb 2019 #60

It seems a term like pretentious reasonableness lunatica Feb 2019 #72

Yes, the problem with online discussions is that many times the poster is just trolling jalan48 Feb 2019 #75

K&R geardaddy Feb 2019 #62

I see this everday on Twitter, I've seen it here quite a dewsgirl Feb 2019 #76

Ah, so that's what I've been seeing the past several days. The smell of fish should 've... Hekate Feb 2019 #80

I'm glad someone put a name to it. LisaM Feb 2019 #81

like the now banned TROLLberliner JI7 Feb 2019 #94