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JonLP24

(30,001 posts)
36. I'm talking about the term progressive from 1991 to now
Tue Feb 26, 2019, 08:52 PM
Feb 2019

I'm no fan of Woodrow Wilson he is responsible for those laws we used to target whistleblowers that was originally used liberally by J Edgar Hoover to go after lefties.

I don't know why some Sanders supporters talk about identity politics. When I think of identity politics I think about what's getting people killed in Ukraine. I don't think you'll see me bringing up identity politics but I don't hold the politician I support responsible for that. I first heard of the term identity politics when I was studying Ukraine prior to the election. Russian identity, Russian language, nationalism.

I was defending Obama's immigration stance when it came to SB1070 which was introduced by my former state Senator Russell Pearce. There were a lot of conservative leaning members or trolls that not only backed SB1070 but some doubted it was written by racists. One poster wrote that Scalia wrote a beautiful dissent. There was a lot of debate but progressives that used to post here were against the SB1070 as well as most people here in general but I tend to find Conservative Democrats like stop and frisk Bloomberg more problematic when it comes to discrimination issues.

I've been here at the board during a lot of changes. I remember people here that took the side of Zimmerman or most police shootings up until around Michael Brown there were racist under the radar trolls that weren't particularly partisan Obama critics or supporters but they would show up to rip him on immigration. Myself I have been consistent on these issues but I consider anti racism a non partisan issue that should be agreed on by all people in politics but unfortunately even civil rights is a left vs right.

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You'll never convince them... brooklynite Feb 2019 #1
Nice insult to Some fellow Democrats Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #2
I'm afraid I don't see the "insult." kennetha Feb 2019 #4
Then we see it Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #5
you could try explaining yourself kennetha Feb 2019 #7
From the OP Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #8
That's just a plain fact. kennetha Feb 2019 #9
It is fact only in Your Opinion Sherman A1 Feb 2019 #12
I doubt any Sanders supporter would help Trump win in 2020 because a DU'er said something "mean" emulatorloo Feb 2019 #16
how, exactly, is pointing out that a mixed economy is not ipso facto "socialism" divisive? kennetha Feb 2019 #18
I understand your confusion. shanny Feb 2019 #28
I'm told BS is "authentic." He tells me he's a "Democratic Socialist." CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #45
When there is market failure then government delivers the service/product better. applegrove Feb 2019 #3
Mixed economies need to exist in part because kennetha Feb 2019 #6
Mixed market economies are everywhere in the world except for North Korea. applegrove Feb 2019 #10
Even the Chinese have gotten wise on that score. kennetha Feb 2019 #19
assuming the balance is right. shanny Feb 2019 #30
Not at all kennetha Feb 2019 #34
Values of the country are about equity and/or efficiency. Government applegrove Feb 2019 #11
Governments are not innovative and risk taking sfwriter Feb 2019 #31
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #13
nah. do a little research kennetha Feb 2019 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #15
you mean like this: kennetha Feb 2019 #17
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2019 #20
huh? kennetha Feb 2019 #21
Exactly sfwriter Feb 2019 #33
Words matter indeed, especially in English. Democratic Socialism does not equal Social Democracy. haele Feb 2019 #22
K&R kennetha Feb 2019 #23
Excellent post. And true. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #24
K&R kennetha Feb 2019 #25
A Democratic Socialist was the original chair of the Progressive Caucas JonLP24 Feb 2019 #27
Read up on the progressive movement. It has an ugly history. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #32
I'm talking about the term progressive from 1991 to now JonLP24 Feb 2019 #36
Excellent post. But the title of progressive is very dicey in the south. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #39
I'm a Sanders supporter and back Keynesian economics JonLP24 Feb 2019 #26
I am not posting to insult you or get into a fight. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #35
Socialists will probably tell you most Democratic Socialists are liberals JonLP24 Feb 2019 #37
And I hope your benefits are expanded under our next president. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #40
The VA isn't socialism. CrossingTheRubicon Feb 2019 #46
Everything is in Democratic Socialist countries JonLP24 Feb 2019 #47
Actually, words do not have fixed meanings in all cases. Caliman73 Feb 2019 #38
Interesting article. But your history is wrong. GulfCoast66 Feb 2019 #43
All economies are mixed Farmer-Rick Feb 2019 #29
It does frost me when folks say FDR was a socialist. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #41
exactly kennetha Feb 2019 #42
Or they will say The New Deal didn't pull us out of the Depression. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2019 #44
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