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catbyte

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164. Try to see it from our perspective

Thu Aug 23, 2012, 03:00 PM

Aug 2012

You get pregnant as the result of a rape. Besides having a 24/7 reminder of what was the most terrifying, painful, humiliating event of your life, your rapist sues you for visitation rights and the judge agrees. How would that make you feel? To be chained to your rapist for the rest of your life. Not to mention how screwed up the kid is going to be. If you don't have a uterus you can't imagine. It's like trying to describe the color red to a blind person. Men have no say in this. Until that fetus can survive on its own it's not a human being but a part of ME and I make the decisions, NOT YOU.

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what about rape victims who get pregnant and choose to have it? [View all] Green_Lantern Aug 2012 OP

Um..it's pro-*choice*... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #1

CHOICE....nowhere are you seeing anyone saying a woman raped must get an abortion. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #2

I know it is a choice but is it being implied that not having the rapist's baby is preferable.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #25

Where is that being implied? yardwork Aug 2012 #29

Yes, I missed that memo too get the red out Aug 2012 #35

Quick! Stop talking about this! It sounds like we're DEMANDING ABORTIONS!!!!! yardwork Aug 2012 #43

WHAT DO WE WANT? CatWoman Aug 2012 #58

I'll one up you: GAY ABORTIONS!!!!! WHEN DO WE WANT THEM???? NOW!!!!! nt Guy Whitey Corngood Aug 2012 #154

*snort* CatWoman Aug 2012 #236

It is obviously implied NOWHERE, which is why the OP ceased to respond to this line of questioning. renie408 Aug 2012 #201

and I responded to the poster Marrah_G Aug 2012 #230

My friend, it has been implied, but not by everyone Marrah_G Aug 2012 #229

here Marrah_G Aug 2012 #231

No, that doesn't imply an abortion is preferable muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #237

It might not imply it to you Marrah_G Aug 2012 #238

most people on du get what choice is. i have yet to hear it suggest something wrong with the woman seabeyond Aug 2012 #55

Please provide a link where DUers "implied that not having the... Spazito Aug 2012 #56

here is one example of an unitentionally hurtful post Marrah_G Aug 2012 #232

No it isn't. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #91

There is an implicit judgement there metalbot Aug 2012 #117

No, I don't see any implicit judgement there. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #119

No there isn't, unless you ignore the phrase "Should be forced to" nt stevenleser Aug 2012 #178

I will not only imply it, but would 100% choose abortion if I got pregnant from violence. lies and propaganda Aug 2012 #114

Nothing for them either get the red out Aug 2012 #3

1++++++++ patrice Aug 2012 #9

Someone just posted that 30% of women do so but the terrible thing was pnwmom Aug 2012 #4

Um... Aristus Aug 2012 #50

No, it's up to a judge to determine if and what parental rights they can exercise NotThisTime Aug 2012 #69

To be fair... metalbot Aug 2012 #118

Anger should never be underestimated. That said, I think anyone who can do as you patrice Aug 2012 #5

I think the choice should be the woman's Lucy Goosey Aug 2012 #6

Well, Akin would damn sure be against giving 'em welfare. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #7

and another thing. i want a law that IF a woman is raped and preg, the rapist does NOT seabeyond Aug 2012 #8

1+++++++ and shouldn't that include a fine anyway too? I would say no child-support, just a fine, patrice Aug 2012 #14

i could go with that. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #17

I'd want that iron-clad. He. is. NOT. the. father. period! & the fine cannot be included in bankrupt patrice Aug 2012 #34

... and the "his estate" bit is non-negotiable too. There are concrete real world reasons for that. patrice Aug 2012 #65

Is this if someone is convicted of rape or just accused? Does it include kelly1mm Aug 2012 #92

Most of the states with statutes like this enlightenment Aug 2012 #103

That would be hard to inforce if... Heather MC Aug 2012 #93

yes. i recognize the pit falls. and i am all for protecting a fathers right. seabeyond Aug 2012 #94

Because women NEVER lie about being raped, right? Let me tell you about a client I had. kelly1mm Aug 2012 #98

Your case is a perfect example of why a law like that Heather MC Aug 2012 #109

It would be very difficult (and I would argue wrong) if their was no conviction kelly1mm Aug 2012 #110

Rapists should have no visitation ritghts to the woman or the child. If it is proven that they are smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #112

but it doesn't-rapists ARE being awarded visitation catbyte Aug 2012 #169

Oh, please... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #10

Maybe you read a different OP than I did. Green Lantern did not imply that there is "something wrong patrice Aug 2012 #18

Oh, bullshit hlthe2b Aug 2012 #20

What's the matter, Green Lantern not part of some clique here? Issue-ownership? Or is it just patrice Aug 2012 #27

once again.... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #30

I agree with Patrice. Your reaction to the OP makes no sense. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #122

You are clearly in the minority here hlthe2b Aug 2012 #124

You're projecting. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #125

and you are inexplicably defending those who would accuse pro-choice liberal/progressives hlthe2b Aug 2012 #127

That is not what the OP was doing. You are reading way too much into it for some reason. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #128

You need only read this thread to realize your interpretation is the minority view hlthe2b Aug 2012 #129

I didn't say all pro-choice supporters favored rape victims getting abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #130

" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." there is no difference and proved hlthe2bs seabeyond Aug 2012 #133

" implied that women impregnated should get abortions." that is exactly what HE was doing in seabeyond Aug 2012 #134

I'm seeing the exact same things in the OP's posts and so are many others. yardwork Aug 2012 #144

So, you are taking a stand against providing more support for mothers? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #146

it is this bullshit that is being called out. what a fuckin offensive comment for you to make. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #150

How do you know it removes anybody's reason for choosing an abortion? yardwork Aug 2012 #155

If some women are having abortions ONLY for financial reasons, shouldn't pnwmom Aug 2012 #148

believe that society should help pregnant women through their pregnancies seabeyond Aug 2012 #151

There's at least one example in this thread. pnwmom Aug 2012 #157

he is making an argument, fabricating an argument that is NOT there. did yardwork say that seabeyond Aug 2012 #165

Yardwork denied G.L.'s point that some women have abortions for financial reasons. pnwmom Aug 2012 #168

LOL! No, I did not say that. yardwork Aug 2012 #172

yardwork, I cut and pasted your quotes from #144 and #155. pnwmom Aug 2012 #177

Yes, you quoted me accurately, but you characterized my statements inaccurately. yardwork Aug 2012 #181

Neither GL nor I said it was anyone else's "business" why a particular woman decides to pnwmom Aug 2012 #194

yardwork is clearly taking exception to why, not what. ieoeja Aug 2012 #206

Where was anyone trying to make pregnant women feel guilty? pnwmom Aug 2012 #211

Thank you. I'm a woman. yardwork Aug 2012 #222

what does social service has to do with rape? that is with any preg. that is being a DEMOCRAT seabeyond Aug 2012 #170

Where has GL suggested that pro-choice shames women into getting abortions? pnwmom Aug 2012 #174

every. single. fuckin. post. of. HIS. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #176

Right. Nowhere that you can link to. n/t pnwmom Aug 2012 #180

+1 redqueen Aug 2012 #185

this thread is disgusting with the oh so smart man telling naive women what to think feel and seabeyond Aug 2012 #188

your reading comprehension is lacking Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #226

I was lectured for saying that Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #158

you are lectured for saying anyone is arguing that a woman must get an abortion seabeyond Aug 2012 #166

Who said they shouldn't? Nice straw man argument there. yardwork Aug 2012 #152

The OP is a dog whistle. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #221

+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #33

+1 obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #97

In a Fox News kind of way the OP did just that. yellowcanine Aug 2012 #208

You put words in my mouth and make my case... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #37

If you are raised in the Catholic Church treestar Aug 2012 #53

Hi there- Your post is what the OP is talking about Marrah_G Aug 2012 #233

No. I respect you, Marrah, but my post is NOT what the OP is all about hlthe2b Aug 2012 #239

I am very, very pro-choice Marrah_G Aug 2012 #240

You assume that I and others do not have first hand experience as well... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #243

my OP never mentions pro-choice liberals... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #246

Your post speaks for itself. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #247

I don't even want to think about the psychology involved hifiguy Aug 2012 #11

What about it? ananda Aug 2012 #12

The question you should have asked: fried eggs Aug 2012 #13

You are just making up shit or DURHAM D Aug 2012 #15

"You are just making up shit"... yup. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #19

No kidding. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #23

It looks to me like the OP (Matt) is conflicted on this issue and DURHAM D Aug 2012 #31

Ask Patrice... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #32

LOL - no thanks DURHAM D Aug 2012 #38

It happens because OP doesn't know or accept that there is one and only one way to patrice Aug 2012 #44

I will admit that OP could be fishing for something and I have a pretty good idea what that might patrice Aug 2012 #47

tell me if it shows up because I don't know what you mean... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #54

I have to go do laundry and stuff. That point-of-vew may avoid a thread I'm in anyway. patrice Aug 2012 #62

Really, because I have certainly gotten that feeling the last few days Marrah_G Aug 2012 #234

No the consensus is that women SHOULD HAVE THE CHOICE nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #16

Oh for God's sake. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #21

Do you know which night she's scheduled to speak at the RNC? Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #22

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #24

what a foul and disgusting accusation to make against other DUers. Sick hlthe2b Aug 2012 #26

pretty disgusting. wtf is the problem here. not only getting the garbage from repugs seabeyond Aug 2012 #60

DU is full of Repugs and "Libertarians". DURHAM D Aug 2012 #68

One would think that Libertarians would be in favor of choice but I've noticed that they're not. yardwork Aug 2012 #71

Funny...I think the pro-choice crowd here buys into the libertarian notion.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #78

have you EVER seen anyone suggest that we should not take care of those that are in need. ANOTHER seabeyond Aug 2012 #79

The "pro-choice crowd here" on DU should be 100% of members. yardwork Aug 2012 #80

if you say so.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #83

Seriously obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #102

I think the above post was sarcasm, maybe in poor taste CJCRANE Aug 2012 #86

Then perhaps the hide will reinforce on the poster (and others) that they can not assume hlthe2b Aug 2012 #95

That's fair enough... CJCRANE Aug 2012 #101

Your post sounds very insensitive to me. Maybe you didn't intend it that way. yardwork Aug 2012 #28

you are misunderstanding my post... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #41

Ok. Explain it then. It sounds like you're accusing women of demanding abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #42

This DURHAM D Aug 2012 #48

I didn't say women demanded abortion... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #49

And what the fuck would be wrong with that implication? yardwork Aug 2012 #59

You don't like women very much do you? gatorboy Aug 2012 #85

how does what I said show dislike for women? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #131

What fucking business of yours is it if a woman wants an abortion? neverforget Aug 2012 #115

I said nothing about whether or not women should get abortions... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #132

you are right. 77% leaders for anti abortion are men. you are right, the choice is being taken away seabeyond Aug 2012 #135

It's none of your business how women make that choice. The law provides them with the choice. yardwork Aug 2012 #139

I don't support criminalizing abortion but making them rare... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #141

That's none of your business. It's not up to you to decide why women choose to have abortions. yardwork Aug 2012 #143

you are misstating my position... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #147

"we need more support for people to raise kids." who doesnt support? strawman seabeyond Aug 2012 #153

+1 yardwork Aug 2012 #156

damnit if this man is not sounding like every other man that lectures ME on seabeyond Aug 2012 #163

Yep. Same exact words and behavior. yardwork Aug 2012 #167

the naive is what took it to this point. fuck... welcome to du. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #171

superiority in reading skills.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #162

no. most everyone gets what you are saying. and most everyone is calling you the fuck out seabeyond Aug 2012 #175

No...you are grandstanding and putting words into my mouth Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #189

bullshit. you throw out a lie as a truth in accusatory manner and want us to defend the fuckin lie. seabeyond Aug 2012 #190

you need to twist my words to make your argument... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #196

not really. look at the number of people saying the exact same thing to you. you need to run away seabeyond Aug 2012 #198

I really don't see what I've said offensive Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #203

of course you do not see it as offensive. i get that. nor does ryan, akin or any of the other seabeyond Aug 2012 #205

twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #210

you throw out bullshit and then cannot even address it. weak. so weak. seabeyond Aug 2012 #213

you must like the song Twist and Shout Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #215

ya, you cannot defend what you have done in this thread. the people hurt and falsely accused by you seabeyond Aug 2012 #217

Try to see it from our perspective catbyte Aug 2012 #164

Your question in the OP was different muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #241

Notice I never said I was refering to DUers.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #248

So why did you post it on DU? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #249

My mistake was in not making myself clear enough... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #251

I know someone who met a young lady recently whom, if I take her at her word, is more than willing patrice Aug 2012 #57

~facepalm~ Marrah_G Aug 2012 #235

This message was self-deleted by its author yardwork Aug 2012 #244

You know who I'm pissed off at in that case? DevonRex Aug 2012 #36

A False Equivalent...and a War on Women Bait. cr8tvlde Aug 2012 #39

Here's my 2 cents - this should all be 'NONE OF OUR BUSINESS' LynneSin Aug 2012 #40

that is another point...the issue has become rape and abortion Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #46

+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #113

Choose? LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #45

No, it's not being implied. reflection Aug 2012 #51

The true agenda is revealed a little more in this post: yardwork Aug 2012 #61

I didn't read anything Machiavellian into it reflection Aug 2012 #72

It's far less subtle than Machiavelli. This has all the subtlety of a trainwreck. yardwork Aug 2012 #73

More common than you think FightForMichigan Aug 2012 #52

The only "wrong" thing is that people OUTSIDE the situation want to pass laws telling the woman JoePhilly Aug 2012 #63

The word you need here is not 'imply' but 'infer' Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #64

Some people don't think we REALLY mean Choice. & Good! catch on imply vs. infer! patrice Aug 2012 #67

Then that is their choice, just like women who under law are allowed to make a different choice NotThisTime Aug 2012 #66

Good for them, if that is what they choose to do. Quantess Aug 2012 #70

Pro-choice on abortion is mythical in the US... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #74

"The Irish Sinn Fein party(not exactly right-wing)" Capt. Obvious Aug 2012 #75

Democrats and progressives, as well as nearly ALL "pro-choice" people in the U.S. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #88

no, I'm not saying pro-choice groups are forcing women to get abortions Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #136

If you are still looking for the answer to your worldview tnvoter Aug 2012 #142

I'd say there's still far MORE pressure for women to quit their jobs, stay home, and have kids Ken Burch Aug 2012 #149

You should start listening to what PRO-CHOICE WOMEN are saying. redqueen Aug 2012 #193

You realise Sinn Fein is saying abortion should only be allowed for rape or grave risk to health? muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #245

no...sorry, I wasn't aware of what the British abortion law did.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #250

this feels like a made up problem. like you in particular are making up this problem La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2012 #76

Where is that being implied? drm604 Aug 2012 #77

I think we are just making sure there is choice... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #81

It's all about choice. notadmblnd Aug 2012 #82

What a terribly odd question. gatorboy Aug 2012 #84

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #87

No one was implying that at all, and you know it. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #89

I hope they have a happy life loyalsister Aug 2012 #90

My only concern in this place gollygee Aug 2012 #96

it's their choice.... spanone Aug 2012 #99

Here is a relevent article from The Declassified Adoptee: me b zola Aug 2012 #100

Many years ago a friend was raped Frances Aug 2012 #104

That too is a choice bluestateguy Aug 2012 #105

Why do you "hope" that? Don't you have anything better to worry about? Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #106

not necessarily pro-choicers but I do think.. Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #137

why should they admit it? what do you gain with women admitting it? seabeyond Aug 2012 #182

another twist of my words by you... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #192

are you fucking serious? this is what you reduce rape to? just a shrug? should have no effect seabeyond Aug 2012 #197

see...I told you that you would twist my words Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #209

you minimize rape. you minimize the experience. you want to pin the rape on the child as what? seabeyond Aug 2012 #212

Twist twist Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #216

how old are you, 5? nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #218

Is it me? I feel like we are talking about this from the right.... chowder66 Aug 2012 #107

Good point. nt redqueen Aug 2012 #202

What about them? Warpy Aug 2012 #108

You are disinjenous and confused. GeorgeGist Aug 2012 #111

That would be their choice. ALL women should be allowed CHOICE. Their bodies, their choice. Autumn Aug 2012 #116

it's their CHOICE JI7 Aug 2012 #120

as a survivor salin Aug 2012 #121

I am not talking about the force of law... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #138

There's a lot of societal pressure against women, as your posts in this thread demonstrate. yardwork Aug 2012 #140

wow that sounds naive.... Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #145

why should a woman who is raped but decides to keep the baby have to "admit" it is a rape victim? seabeyond Aug 2012 #161

who is lecturing? you are sounding paranoid Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #183

i dont sound paranoid. i should sound fuckin pissed. you like to project shit onto people seabeyond Aug 2012 #186

I didn't say anything about "women who get raped should do this or that" Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #199

again as a survivor... salin Aug 2012 #253

Pro-choice is about giving women power over their own bodies, it's not pro-abortion. MatthewStLouis Aug 2012 #123

............... pbmus Aug 2012 #126

hahahaha.... NOPE fascisthunter Aug 2012 #159

If men Aerows Aug 2012 #160

How many women who've been raped by their husbands keep the baby? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #173

It has always been about choice, however if incest is still_one Aug 2012 #179

This post sounds very concern-troll-ish. stevenleser Aug 2012 #184

My 12 year old friend who was raped HockeyMom Aug 2012 #187

this argument was in the back of my mind thru out. it is easy for the men to demand OTHER women seabeyond Aug 2012 #191

I knew somebody this happened to and being Catholic she opted to have Cleita Aug 2012 #195

Why didn't you just write "LOOK AT ME!!! LOOK AT ME!!"... renie408 Aug 2012 #200

Eh. Straw man alert. Where do you get that implication? It is trollish to raise issues yellowcanine Aug 2012 #204

Addressing the phrase "rapist's child" Purple_Vines Aug 2012 #207

Thank you for your post. DURHAM D Aug 2012 #219

What about the rapist who gets his victim pregnant and wants her to have it? Tikki Aug 2012 #214

Unreal-if you are opposed to abortion then don't have one Progressive dog Aug 2012 #220

how do you people get this out of the OP? Green_Lantern Aug 2012 #224

Why else would you make the OP? Progressive dog Aug 2012 #227

Not a choice I'd make in that situation but if that's what she wants 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #223

shun them Enrique Aug 2012 #225

I have a couple comments on the topic Marrah_G Aug 2012 #228

The point is that no law should force ANY woman to give birth. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #242

Remember the concept of " Pro Choice " orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #252