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MichMan

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117. Why are consumers walking past all the cars and buying Crossovers, Trucks and SUV?

Sat Mar 2, 2019, 01:15 PM

Mar 2019

Still don't understand how they are being forced ?

Toyota for example sold 343K Camrys 280K Corollas and 87K Prius in 2018 vs. 427K Rav4, 244K Highlanders & 245K Tacoma pickups.

Way more Crossovers, Trucks and SUV than cars

Who was forcing their customers to buy them? Salesman at the dealers under gunpoint?

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Yesterday the last car rolled down the line at Lordstown GM in Lordstown Ohio, I wept as I [View all] Demsrule86 Mar 2019 OP

I've been involved in plant closings. watoos Mar 2019 #1

I believe we are heading for recession. And even the new GM truck was sent overseas...steel Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #5

It's all DownriverDem Mar 2019 #100

money for execs, none for workers Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #111

Thanks for the post ...very impressive. Yeah, good old Mary (CEO) what a piece of crap she is. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #178

We lost 5 plants True Blue American Mar 2019 #9

It really does break you heart. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #14

recently I read on DU onethatcares Mar 2019 #2

The Cruze didn't cost that much and most people lease these days. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #3

Leasing is a gimmick for most Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #6

Yeah, leasing is a big Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #8

True. True Blue American Mar 2019 #10

Agree 100%. Ohiogal Mar 2019 #93

Equity is a car isn't worth as much as you'd think . . . MrModerate Mar 2019 #11

True, bbut t I drove my True Blue American Mar 2019 #20

It depends. If you don't buy brand new and only take out a four year loan Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #24

I've been buying used cars csziggy Mar 2019 #29

How long do you consider long-term? MrModerate Mar 2019 #44

Basically anything other than renting a car for a vacation csziggy Mar 2019 #78

and when cars and truck are made mostly overseas where are these used vehicles Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #53

I haven't bought a new car since 1986. Ferrets are Cool Mar 2019 #55

It is actually cheaper to lease these days...hard to believe I know. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #15

No it's not. If I pay the car off in four years and drive it for eight or ten Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #27

For me it's a matter of risk vs reward . . . MrModerate Mar 2019 #36

It doesn't work that way unless you have cheap secondary insurance Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #105

Leasing is fine if your able to write it off, maybe not any more with Trump... Historic NY Mar 2019 #109

In my area, add to risk column, the fracking waste the State and localities OhioBlue Mar 2019 #176

Cars are super expensive. Most people take 7 years loans these days...and once paid off Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #65

If you need to take a seven year loan out Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #112

Thats just it; you beat them at their own game. Cars or anything else. We have to. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #121

Awesome! Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #128

I agree with that...my only point is as cars are moved overseas...we lose jobs and the ability to Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #179

Reminds Me RobinA Mar 2019 #200

As others have said, leasing is NOT cheaper..... getagrip_already Mar 2019 #60

Leasing is great for people who used to trade in their cars every few years TexasBushwhacker Mar 2019 #73

Depends on how much you drive Bettie Mar 2019 #142

In some circumstances, especially for the young, it's better to UBER allgood33 Mar 2019 #146

No it is not ...Uber is not cheap and not safe for women espcially. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #150

using the Uber app, my neighbor who is 67, pays 5.50 for a ride from her grocery store which allgood33 Mar 2019 #182

Well my future daughter in law lives in Autstin town Ohio and it cost me over $50.00 for three Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #194

Leasing is (as my grandfather so aptly put it) buying a dead horse. lastlib Mar 2019 #64

What shocks me is how many people lease. LuckyLib Mar 2019 #165

I love my Cruze. teamster633 Mar 2019 #45

The cruze is a great car. I love it. The Cobalt before it which was cheaper is a workhorse...my Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #66

I've had one as a rental a few times. It was/is a fine car. Decent mileage too oldsoftie Mar 2019 #120

Somehow I doubt most people lease. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #127

It is around 30% of new car sales are leases MichMan Mar 2019 #132

30% is hardly most people. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #133

1st car i ever bought on my own was a new one. I've never bought new since. (40 yrs) oldsoftie Mar 2019 #22

You and I think alike Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #30

Sure, with cars mostly being made overseas and increasing in prices...do you really think used cars Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #32

It depends on what your needs are. I've never spent 20k for a car yet. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #88

My Current 2015 RobinA Mar 2019 #203

I Don't Think RobinA Mar 2019 #202

all I am saying is the decent prices will go away when cars are shipped in mostly from overseas so Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #204

Exactly what we do, too. Ohiogal Mar 2019 #96

Yep! but diamonds are the WORST rip off!! oldsoftie Mar 2019 #119

Well if peope don't buy new cars there won't be any for you to buy as a used car. And if cars go Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #31

There are plenty of people who are slaves to image & will always buy new. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #82

They won't be able to afford them. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #98

Well, we'll see. I've been hearing that for 30 yrs. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #122

This is the endgame...and with manufacuring moving there will be other markets with cash... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #162

My sister just found a great deal on an off lease car csziggy Mar 2019 #42

Again, even fleet car sales are down...and without people buying new cars those Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #49

We do the same, learned it from my parents happybird Mar 2019 #114

Keep in mind that huge pick-ups and SUVs are driving up the average. Adrahil Mar 2019 #186

37 k buys one heck of a car. WeekiWater Mar 2019 #201

You a Boomer? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2019 #208

Thank you for telling this story. Can you tell us a little bit about please? mahina Mar 2019 #4

The Lordstown plant was the biggest employer in the Warren area. Thouasand of jobs will be Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #13

Thank you. I appreciate that. I looked online and read some of the newspaper articles mahina Mar 2019 #123

The Cruze was selling poorly MichMan Mar 2019 #7

And now the Buick LaCross is gone. True Blue American Mar 2019 #16

Ford isn't selling or making cars here now...so who the hell knows. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #47

I love my Subaru Crosstrek... druidity33 Mar 2019 #130

That is unture about all workers getting job offers. I know because my husband and my son Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #17

They get job offers IF True Blue American Mar 2019 #21

They are laying off in five plants. There are not enough jobs...and those who live in Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #28

You said it. True Blue American Mar 2019 #37

There is a reason why retraining is a dirty word in the Mid West...many trained for n Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #43

But those who had the will retrained True Blue American Mar 2019 #52

There are very few jobs that can't be outsourced...and the retraining was mostly in manufacuring... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #76

And the companies are now cutting True Blue American Mar 2019 #137

I think that is what will happen. Local companies will need accountants and we are looking a Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #157

Perfect True Blue American Mar 2019 #171

people are missing that point; the car made in this plant wasnt selling well in the US. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #19

No you are missing the point. Cars in general were not selling that well and steel tariffs made Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #23

Ford is not making cars here,period! True Blue American Mar 2019 #26

Exactly...and they won't sell them here either...from what I hear. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #34

My Grandfather actually worked for Henry Ford after he bought the DT& True Blue American Mar 2019 #41

My Uncle went to work for GM at Lordstown in the 70's mtngirl47 Mar 2019 #12

My son actually works for GM in Indiana. He was one of the lucky ones and was transferred last Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #18

My Son just took early retirement True Blue American Mar 2019 #25

Overwork? Did you mean overtime? I am glad you son is OK. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #38

He is an Engineer True Blue American Mar 2019 #57

My husband is an engineer. In his 50's he is still in demand. Chrysler is an example of how Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #67

You said it! True Blue American Mar 2019 #75

No they are laying off. And are hiring for electrical engineers...but I think we can expect more Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #79

Oh Lord True Blue American Mar 2019 #138

The new tax bill foisted on us by Trump makes it financially beneficial to ship jobs overseas. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #156

Trump aked Sherrod what True Blue American Mar 2019 #169

Yes it was ...oh they already got some money (too much) but the tax bill increased the amount. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #180

There are auto plants being built in the US MichMan Mar 2019 #33

That is one plant. It can't make up for the loses. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #40

Tariffs are part Bear Creek Mar 2019 #35

My son can't afford to buy the truck he makes and he is relatively well paid. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #39

Funny you should mention that. True Blue American Mar 2019 #46

That was not why Ford raised wages to $5 per day MichMan Mar 2019 #54

No,it wasn't! True Blue American Mar 2019 #58

Still waiting for the link to the quote you attributed to Henry Ford MichMan Mar 2019 #70

It was part of it Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #81

Exactly. Pretty soon none of us will be able to afford cars. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #69

Well, if you think that if you must pay at least 35k for a car, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #131

When new cars are not bought...used cars become less plentiful and more expensive. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #160

There will always be enough people who want a new car PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #168

There may be folks who want a new car but with further job losses , how man can afford a new? It Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #181

I guess not a single new car was sold during the Great Depression, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #197

That's big problem Bear Creek Mar 2019 #48

The reason? True Blue American Mar 2019 #61

That is true. The stamping union at Lordstown killed itself so as to get a new product... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #74

So far they are looking strong but the steel tariffs have to be hurting them as they use Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #72

Please educate me on why the biggest selling vehicles are crossovers then ? MichMan Mar 2019 #63

Thats nonsense. Vehicle death rates are FAR lower than they were before SUVs flooded us. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #124

So many features have been added on True Blue American Mar 2019 #139

And thats another one you can run forever. Great engine. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #143

Yep. True Blue American Mar 2019 #147

Lordstown workers fear for future as GM prepares to 'unallocate' plant MichMan Mar 2019 #50

I have seen the job offers as I have access to the website and workers are accepting those Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #83

Just all a part of how capitalism works Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #51

This is unfettered capitalism as existed pre- Roosevelt which lead to a great depression... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #84

Some people wanted to save slavery by regulating it Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #134

I am not a socialist and do not favor such an economic policy... I believe in regulated Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #159

No the 2 economic systems I compare are not apples and oranges Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #167

I referred to the comparison of slavery and socialism... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #183

Right on! True Blue American Mar 2019 #172

Said all along CDerekGo Mar 2019 #56

The Chevy Equinox gets 32-39 mpg on the highway MichMan Mar 2019 #77

Not good enough Bear Creek Mar 2019 #95

SOME are considered "light trucks" but not all. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #144

Back in the sixties union members wanting a day off used to put a mask on and strike, and ... marble falls Mar 2019 #59

You are repeating fables. True Blue American Mar 2019 #62

Wrong. My family had the masonry contract for Lordsburg. I was there. We are a pro-union family ... marble falls Mar 2019 #71

What is Lordsburg? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #99

Scuse me Lordstown. I was there when dirt was broken in '65/'66, you'll excuse an old brain. marble falls Mar 2019 #126

I did and saw no mention of any wild cat strike...perhaps you have link...I texted a guy who worked Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #161

Hell, there was a wildcat strike in '96. Over more substansive issues, but still ... marble falls Mar 2019 #166

You said they wanted the day of now it is substanual issues? Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #184

That is untrue and I wish you would self delete...we don't need fantasy stories Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #85

And we are losing the middle class because of the desmise of Unions. True Blue American Mar 2019 #148

Yes and we are way worse off without them. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #149

The post above is what Republicans love True Blue American Mar 2019 #170

Yes...it is. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #185

I would appreciate a link to this ...if you know the circumstances since I found nothing on this... Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #94

Is the story true blueinredohio Mar 2019 #136

Good point. The person said Lordsburg...no such place that I have ever heard of...union haters are Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #158

I know, I worked with some in a union shop blueinredohio Mar 2019 #173

Yep as they lose everything some Some who voted for these Republicans will have the added burden of Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #187

Unfortunately, the auto workers are like the coal miners. They are in an industry that's going out jalan48 Mar 2019 #68

That is untrue...cars will still be made forever, we just won't be making them... because Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #86

Our eco-system will no longer be able to support our fantasy lifestyles. Getting enough food jalan48 Mar 2019 #90

Oh please. Lets deal with the here and now. Green cars will repace gas burning cars. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #92

I wish we would deal with the here and now but we're too busy maintaining our fantasies. jalan48 Mar 2019 #103

I always enjoy your posts but I think yours might be a bit of fantasy this time. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #106

Tell that to the Polar Bears my friend..... jalan48 Mar 2019 #110

I have had few meaningful conversations with polar bears! hehe....just kidding. Have a great Monday! Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #188

To you as well. We may disagree on some things but on getting rid of Trump and the Republicans jalan48 Mar 2019 #190

We are on the same side. And I too think climate change is the most serious issue we face...just not Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #193

I don't know either, it's happening in slow motion which makes it harder to comprehend. jalan48 Mar 2019 #199

This is true. Democrats will address climate change...might not be what you or I want exactly but Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #205

I agree. The young people are going to push. It's life and death for them. jalan48 Mar 2019 #206

Could it be that Trump with his tariffs has found a way to destroy INdemo Mar 2019 #80

I hope voters realize this. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #87

I believe you are right Bear Creek Mar 2019 #97

Trying to understand how tariffs affected sedan sales and not crossovers MichMan Mar 2019 #89

There is less profibility in cars -particularly small cars. The tariffs added $1200 per car Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #91

Not true Bear Creek Mar 2019 #101

It is completely true...and I know this personally...because I have ties to Lordstown...and Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #104

Every vehicle sold in the US has to meet the same safety and emissions requirements MichMan Mar 2019 #108

It has nothing to do with cafe....smaller cars don't have the profit margin because there is a limit Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #189

Do research Bear Creek Mar 2019 #115

Why are consumers walking past all the cars and buying Crossovers, Trucks and SUV? MichMan Mar 2019 #117

I told you I have ties to the Lordstown plant and the tariffs are why the plant is closing ....I Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #164

5 years? Oh for Gods sake. The average age of cars on the road TODAY is over 10 years. oldsoftie Mar 2019 #174

But there were no price increases on the Cruze due to tariffs MichMan Mar 2019 #102

The American public is fickle and short sighted. llmart Mar 2019 #113

The Cruze wasn't selling as noted, which cost the first layoff...but the second one Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #163

Cost of steel for one thing True Blue American Mar 2019 #140

Damn NAFTA, and Old Man Bush and his narco sidekick Salinas for foisting this on us. sandensea Mar 2019 #107

Yep...and Clinton is too blame as well. He should never have forced Democrats to pass this disaster Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #155

Sad, but true. sandensea Mar 2019 #175

So now what Bear Creek Mar 2019 #116

That is not why Lordstown closed...it closed because of tariffs and slow car sales...bigger Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #154

This post made me think about my car history. mnhtnbb Mar 2019 #118

+1000 Power 2 the People Mar 2019 #125

It is a dark day indeed. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #153

Then trump has the gall to go around hugging American flags Blue Owl Mar 2019 #129

Yes he is an f'ing traitor. Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #152

I LOVE MY 2017 CRUZE. roamer65 Mar 2019 #135

The Malibu True Blue American Mar 2019 #141

The Malibu is a great car. And last year,you couldn't give them away ...had there been steel Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #191

My Buick is still serviced every Spring and Fall. True Blue American Mar 2019 #195

I love the new Malibu and would like to buy one but we have to wait until hospital bills are paid Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #196

Thank God for that! True Blue American Mar 2019 #198

This is so sad. I was born & raised in Youngstown, OH and williesgirl Mar 2019 #145

To see the shuttered factories in Youngstown makes you realize the bullshit that has been foisted on Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #151

As long as labor is not free to cross borders ... Straw Man Mar 2019 #177

You are exactly right HP offer to transfer workers to India...these workers were met with hate Demsrule86 Mar 2019 #192

IMO, the best way to go is to buy a "Certified" Used Car. MicaelS Mar 2019 #207

...and so the truth comes out. GM is moving Cruze production to Mexico. roamer65 Mar 2019 #209