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zipplewrath

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35. I had quite the opposite
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 03:11 PM
Mar 2019

I've always suspected we were the exception to the rule, because generally they come so highly regarded. And our two situations were kinda out of the norm so I think everyone was outside of their area of expertise.

Dad. He was in a "memory unit" for a couple of years, but his health started to take such a bad turn that he was put into a facility that advertised itself as a "hospice facility". He had excellent insurance and so could afford quite the high level of care provided. But he was expected to last at most 3 months and he hung on for 9. They started to talk about having to move him to another facility for long term care. Okay, we started the research, and then out of the blue, Mother is talking about terminating feeding. Kinda caught us off guard. We all lived out of town so there were phone calls first, but Mom's hearing was kinda bad. So visits were next. She couldn't seem to explain how this had come about so quickly. One brother was a designated "health care advocate". So he tried to talk to the facility and got quite frustrated. Every question was answered by starting with "Well, your mother had decided...". We knew that, we just wondered WHY? What had she been told? It's not that we disagreed per se, it's just that it came about so quickly and she couldn't seem to tell us why.

It took a couple of weeks, but finally someone made a case associated with the inability of Dad to swallow anymore and they'd have to put him on a feeding tube. Okay, I get it. It was strange though for my seriously catholic parents to choose this, but it is permissible, although most of us thought she would have discussed it with the family pastor. She had not. But whatever, once explained most of us didn't really disagree. There was this feeling though that they had backed into this explanation. That it took two weeks to think it up. But we mostly just "blamed mom" for not understanding what she had agreed to.

3 years later, Mom is in the hospital again for serious heart problems. She's too ill for any surgery and her heart is slowly failing. Maybe a month at the most. So we take her to her home and had prearranged for Hospice to come in. It was a tough day because she was becoming less than coherent and there was alot of moving around to do and various care arrangements to be made. The Hospice nurse showed up and immediately started barking orders. Two of us were there and she was dealing with the Health Delegate by telephone. She wasn't keen on answering any questions and kept starting every exchange with, "you have to understand, your mother is dying". Yeah, we know, that's why WE called YOU. She insisted on administering morphine despite mom not complaining of any pain. She did say the blood pressure cuff hurt, but the nurse INSISTED that it be taken. Mom's bed wasn't good enough and we HAD to get a hospital bed TODAY. We're all trying to cooperate but we're from out of town and everything takes a bit longer. And again, every exchange started with, "you know your mother is dying".

She died that night. In hindsight I should have figured out just how close she was. And maybe that's what the nurse was trying to communicate. The home healthcare aid that we had, took off her socks to change her and her feet were blue. Later her fingers turned blue. It's why she wasn't all that coherent. Her heart was failing so fast that none of her body, including her brain, was getting enough oxygen/blood. Having Hospice there was pointless. But I would have expected the nurse to see the signs, or at least check for them. Instead she took blood pressure but never looked at her feet. She force morphine on her for no apparent reason. And she caused a tremendous amount of upheavel in a family that was watching their mother die. We didn't need the bed. We didn't need the morphine. We needed to be told we had hours, maybe a day, not just told "your mother is dying".

Fortunately, I don't think mom or dad were cognizant enough to be aware of what was happening.

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Hospice [View all] titaniumsalute Mar 2019 OP
So sorry for your loss.... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2019 #1
Thanx for sharing that, ts. Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #2
Yes it is. JanetLovesObama Mar 2019 #3
I am sorry for your loss. riverbendviewgal Mar 2019 #4
AGEE 100000000% bluestarone Mar 2019 #5
Me too, as a young adult losing a parent, they were Angels lostnfound Mar 2019 #64
My deepest condolences and as a former hospice nurse, THANKS! flying_wahini Mar 2019 #6
Please read my comment below (comment #40) lunatica Mar 2019 #41
Deepest sympathy malaise Mar 2019 #7
As my dad was dying 12 years ago, hospice care really was an appreciated part of his care The Genealogist Mar 2019 #8
So happy you had a positive experience during a very emotional time..... a kennedy Mar 2019 #9
I was a hospice nurse for almost 4 years, thank you for sharing this Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #10
Hospice is just as important for the care of the entire family during the lunatica Mar 2019 #42
Oh lunatica, you made me tear up a little there. It was the honor of my life to be there Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #45
Thank you for your post. titaniumsalute Mar 2019 #73
Hospice attendents are saints on earth. As I've gotten older I've seen it more and more. marble falls Mar 2019 #11
Thank you, Titanium. I'm glad to take the message Hortensis Mar 2019 #12
I have known several people to be in Hospice, and it was wonderful. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #13
My mom was in hospice care for the final few weeks of her life. MarianJack Mar 2019 #14
Hospice is wonderful cp Mar 2019 #15
I just lost my dad, too. And you're right about hospice. Reader Rabbit Mar 2019 #16
Hospice nurses and doctors really are a breed apart BritVic Mar 2019 #17
So sorry for your loss and I totally agree about Hospice. lark Mar 2019 #18
Yes. Hospice enabled my husband to die marybourg Mar 2019 #19
Hospice workers are saints... albacore Mar 2019 #20
INDEED hospice is a godsend... RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #21
Condolences on the loss of your father. gademocrat7 Mar 2019 #22
Hospice has helped me say goodbye to two brothers and my mother.... spanone Mar 2019 #23
Reading all this about hospice makes me wonder, as I've wondered before... LisaM Mar 2019 #24
That's why I practically moved into the hospital whenever lunatica Mar 2019 #44
we had the same experience with my dad Hamlette Mar 2019 #25
As everyone posting, I'll second your experience Duppers Mar 2019 #26
benzos (like xanax) Mosby Mar 2019 #27
Hospice is wonderful. Granny M Mar 2019 #28
My condolences ... my mom died of the same thing bedazzled Mar 2019 #29
Before retirement, I worked with hospice people quite often. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2019 #30
They are all angels hibbing Mar 2019 #31
Hospice is amazing LittleGirl Mar 2019 #32
My Deepest Sympathy, titaniumsalute. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #33
not a bad thing to be said handmade34 Mar 2019 #34
I had quite the opposite zipplewrath Mar 2019 #35
I am so sorry your experiences were so difficult. pnwmom Mar 2019 #38
I understand zipplewrath Mar 2019 #48
That sounds awful about the morphine. Seeing her go through that must have been painful. pnwmom Mar 2019 #68
Drug induced dysphagia (problem swallowing) Mosby Mar 2019 #43
There are many, many reasons why dying people develop trouble with swallowing. Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #47
opiates and benzos are being massively overprescribed Mosby Mar 2019 #50
Thank you nini Mar 2019 #53
Morphine helped make your mother more comfortable nini Mar 2019 #55
Oh, I probably will zipplewrath Mar 2019 #69
Unfortunately RobinA Mar 2019 #70
Yes, that's a whole other problem zipplewrath Mar 2019 #71
So sorry! I lost my brother last year, & hospice care was wonderful. displacedtexan Mar 2019 #36
Hospice is wonderful - it really helps people die with dignity mcar Mar 2019 #37
I want to thank you for your work in hospice, lunatica Mar 2019 #46
My Mom Delphinus Mar 2019 #39
I like to say that when hospice workers go to heaven lunatica Mar 2019 #40
Hospice workers are the best! mcar Mar 2019 #60
Kindness is the solution to so many things. lunatica Mar 2019 #61
It is still out there mcar Mar 2019 #62
I cannot agree more. Loryn Mar 2019 #49
My deepest sympathies leftynyc Mar 2019 #51
My experience has Rebl2 Mar 2019 #52
Hospice nurses are geniuses too. planetc Mar 2019 #54
My sincerest condolences to you Ohiogal Mar 2019 #56
All the best to you at this difficult time, titaniumsalute True Dough Mar 2019 #57
Condolences on your loss. Hospice workers are quite amazing. Stinky The Clown Mar 2019 #58
Condolences, titaniumsalute. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #59
Same experience nicehuman16 Mar 2019 #63
So sorry for your loss, and I agree with you about hospice! MiniMe Mar 2019 #65
I 100% agree with you about Hospice. And I am terribly sorry that your dad passed. Maraya1969 Mar 2019 #66
I'm so sorry about your father radical noodle Mar 2019 #67
I watched how panicked my Grandma was at the end... pandr32 Mar 2019 #72
Much love and empathy to you, titaniumsalute. calimary Mar 2019 #74
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