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zipplewrath

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48. I understand
Tue Mar 5, 2019, 05:08 PM
Mar 2019
I hope you don't feel too bad about the morphine, though. It can help a dying person, who isn't getting enough oxygen, feel less anxious.


I'm sure it can, but in this case it did not. It only amplified the feelings she was already having, and they literally had to physically force it into her mouth. She bit the nurses hand. It was some sort of capsule that had fluid in it that had to be "broken" into her mouth for her to ingest. Her final hours were pretty awful because of the slow failure of the mental functions. Forcing her to change beds, and inducing unnecessary pain, as well as administering medications that only made things worse just exacerbated things.

I can understand if they just weren't able to detect how far along she was, but the whole affair gave the appearance of "boilerplate" care without regard to the individual.

Also, taking her blood pressure was a way of telling the nurse how far along she was.


I'm dubious. She told us nothing after taking it and it had been taken not two hours earlier by the transport nurse. We objected and she explained it was "required for insurance reasons".

And not putting a feeding tube in for your father is pretty normal, even for a Catholic facility.


You're absolutely correct. However, I know my parents, especially my father, which is why I was surprised she didn't consult the Parish Priest with which she had a twenty year relationship.

It sounds like the main problem with hospice for your family wasn't necessarily the care for your parents, but the problems with communicating with the adult children.


You could be right, but I am dubious. There was the constant suggestion that we didn't understand and that we were somehow trying to "hang on" too long or something. And as I said, in the case of my father, there were the definite overtones of coming up with an explanation weeks after the decision was made. They should have easily been able to repeat their discussion with my mother so that we could understand what she had been told. They had no problems doing that when they didn't like the decisions she was making.

Like I say, I suspect our situation both times was pretty much out of the norm for them. None of us were probably "experts" at handling the situation. With dad, if they had suspect how long he would last, they probably never would have admitted him in the first place. And with mom, if the Hospice nurse had been called to the hospital first, a quick discussion with the doctors might have clued her more into exactly how far along she was. The hospital was in a hell fire hurry to get her out, and that may be the root cause of the whole affair.

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Hospice [View all] titaniumsalute Mar 2019 OP
So sorry for your loss.... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2019 #1
Thanx for sharing that, ts. Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #2
Yes it is. JanetLovesObama Mar 2019 #3
I am sorry for your loss. riverbendviewgal Mar 2019 #4
AGEE 100000000% bluestarone Mar 2019 #5
Me too, as a young adult losing a parent, they were Angels lostnfound Mar 2019 #64
My deepest condolences and as a former hospice nurse, THANKS! flying_wahini Mar 2019 #6
Please read my comment below (comment #40) lunatica Mar 2019 #41
Deepest sympathy malaise Mar 2019 #7
As my dad was dying 12 years ago, hospice care really was an appreciated part of his care The Genealogist Mar 2019 #8
So happy you had a positive experience during a very emotional time..... a kennedy Mar 2019 #9
I was a hospice nurse for almost 4 years, thank you for sharing this Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #10
Hospice is just as important for the care of the entire family during the lunatica Mar 2019 #42
Oh lunatica, you made me tear up a little there. It was the honor of my life to be there Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #45
Thank you for your post. titaniumsalute Mar 2019 #73
Hospice attendents are saints on earth. As I've gotten older I've seen it more and more. marble falls Mar 2019 #11
Thank you, Titanium. I'm glad to take the message Hortensis Mar 2019 #12
I have known several people to be in Hospice, and it was wonderful. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #13
My mom was in hospice care for the final few weeks of her life. MarianJack Mar 2019 #14
Hospice is wonderful cp Mar 2019 #15
I just lost my dad, too. And you're right about hospice. Reader Rabbit Mar 2019 #16
Hospice nurses and doctors really are a breed apart BritVic Mar 2019 #17
So sorry for your loss and I totally agree about Hospice. lark Mar 2019 #18
Yes. Hospice enabled my husband to die marybourg Mar 2019 #19
Hospice workers are saints... albacore Mar 2019 #20
INDEED hospice is a godsend... RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #21
Condolences on the loss of your father. gademocrat7 Mar 2019 #22
Hospice has helped me say goodbye to two brothers and my mother.... spanone Mar 2019 #23
Reading all this about hospice makes me wonder, as I've wondered before... LisaM Mar 2019 #24
That's why I practically moved into the hospital whenever lunatica Mar 2019 #44
we had the same experience with my dad Hamlette Mar 2019 #25
As everyone posting, I'll second your experience Duppers Mar 2019 #26
benzos (like xanax) Mosby Mar 2019 #27
Hospice is wonderful. Granny M Mar 2019 #28
My condolences ... my mom died of the same thing bedazzled Mar 2019 #29
Before retirement, I worked with hospice people quite often. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2019 #30
They are all angels hibbing Mar 2019 #31
Hospice is amazing LittleGirl Mar 2019 #32
My Deepest Sympathy, titaniumsalute. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #33
not a bad thing to be said handmade34 Mar 2019 #34
I had quite the opposite zipplewrath Mar 2019 #35
I am so sorry your experiences were so difficult. pnwmom Mar 2019 #38
I understand zipplewrath Mar 2019 #48
That sounds awful about the morphine. Seeing her go through that must have been painful. pnwmom Mar 2019 #68
Drug induced dysphagia (problem swallowing) Mosby Mar 2019 #43
There are many, many reasons why dying people develop trouble with swallowing. Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #47
opiates and benzos are being massively overprescribed Mosby Mar 2019 #50
Thank you nini Mar 2019 #53
Morphine helped make your mother more comfortable nini Mar 2019 #55
Oh, I probably will zipplewrath Mar 2019 #69
Unfortunately RobinA Mar 2019 #70
Yes, that's a whole other problem zipplewrath Mar 2019 #71
So sorry! I lost my brother last year, & hospice care was wonderful. displacedtexan Mar 2019 #36
Hospice is wonderful - it really helps people die with dignity mcar Mar 2019 #37
I want to thank you for your work in hospice, lunatica Mar 2019 #46
My Mom Delphinus Mar 2019 #39
I like to say that when hospice workers go to heaven lunatica Mar 2019 #40
Hospice workers are the best! mcar Mar 2019 #60
Kindness is the solution to so many things. lunatica Mar 2019 #61
It is still out there mcar Mar 2019 #62
I cannot agree more. Loryn Mar 2019 #49
My deepest sympathies leftynyc Mar 2019 #51
My experience has Rebl2 Mar 2019 #52
Hospice nurses are geniuses too. planetc Mar 2019 #54
My sincerest condolences to you Ohiogal Mar 2019 #56
All the best to you at this difficult time, titaniumsalute True Dough Mar 2019 #57
Condolences on your loss. Hospice workers are quite amazing. Stinky The Clown Mar 2019 #58
Condolences, titaniumsalute. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #59
Same experience nicehuman16 Mar 2019 #63
So sorry for your loss, and I agree with you about hospice! MiniMe Mar 2019 #65
I 100% agree with you about Hospice. And I am terribly sorry that your dad passed. Maraya1969 Mar 2019 #66
I'm so sorry about your father radical noodle Mar 2019 #67
I watched how panicked my Grandma was at the end... pandr32 Mar 2019 #72
Much love and empathy to you, titaniumsalute. calimary Mar 2019 #74
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