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pnwmom

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68. That sounds awful about the morphine. Seeing her go through that must have been painful.
Wed Mar 6, 2019, 04:13 AM
Mar 2019

Last edited Wed Mar 6, 2019, 05:43 AM - Edit history (3)

But you have a misconception about hospice. Although someone may enter hospice who already has a feeding tube, hospice care doesn't include the insertion of a tube, which requires the use of anesthesia and which a confused patient might try to rip out. Once your parents chose hospice, they were choosing a natural death. Inserting a tube to feed someone who has lost the swallowing reflex, and is actively dying, can increase and prolong discomfort.

You're probably right that the hospital's rush to get your mother out may have been at the root of the problems. No one was prepared for what was to come.

https://www.hospicesect.org/hospice-and-palliative-care/feeding-hydration-and-hospice-care

Can someone have a feeding tube under hospice care?

Hospice doesn’t include the placement of feeding tubes, or any other steps taken to prolong life at this stage of care. However, patients who already have a feeding tube in place may benefit from hospice services. We will never ask anyone to remove a feeding tube in order to be eligible for assistance.

Sometimes, very close to the end of life, patients may choose to have feeding tubes removed. This decision can also be made on their behalf by loved ones or medical professionals, as artificial feeding and hydration may no longer be playing a helpful role or may become harmful or painful.

https://americanhospice.org/caregiving/artificial-nutrition-and-hydration-at-the-end-of-life-beneficial-or-harmful/

A nasogastric tube can cause choking and extreme discomfort at placement and afterwards. At the time of insertion, it can be misplaced in the trachea and cause pneumonia. The tube can cause erosions and abrasions, even perforations (holes) in the nasal passages, esophagus and stomach, and can cause acute and chronic bleeding. Aspiration pneumonia is a risk whenever an NG tube is in place. If a person is confused, he/she may need restraints to keep him/her from pulling the tube out. This can cause a whole host of problems, including psychic distress and increased agitation and anxiety, skin breakdown due to immobility, pneumonia due to immobility, and injury from restraints, to name a few.

A gastrostomy tube requires anesthesia during placement and has risks associated with the use of anesthesia. There is also a risk of infection of the abdominal wall and peritonitis (life threatening infection of the abdominal cavity). Gastrointestinal bleeding, blockage of the bowel or perforation of the bowel may occur. Diarrhea from the feeding formula is fairly common. Aspiration pneumonia is also common. If the person requires restraints to keep from pulling the tube out, the same complications listed above can occur.

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Hospice [View all] titaniumsalute Mar 2019 OP
So sorry for your loss.... NRaleighLiberal Mar 2019 #1
Thanx for sharing that, ts. Lucid Dreamer Mar 2019 #2
Yes it is. JanetLovesObama Mar 2019 #3
I am sorry for your loss. riverbendviewgal Mar 2019 #4
AGEE 100000000% bluestarone Mar 2019 #5
Me too, as a young adult losing a parent, they were Angels lostnfound Mar 2019 #64
My deepest condolences and as a former hospice nurse, THANKS! flying_wahini Mar 2019 #6
Please read my comment below (comment #40) lunatica Mar 2019 #41
Deepest sympathy malaise Mar 2019 #7
As my dad was dying 12 years ago, hospice care really was an appreciated part of his care The Genealogist Mar 2019 #8
So happy you had a positive experience during a very emotional time..... a kennedy Mar 2019 #9
I was a hospice nurse for almost 4 years, thank you for sharing this Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #10
Hospice is just as important for the care of the entire family during the lunatica Mar 2019 #42
Oh lunatica, you made me tear up a little there. It was the honor of my life to be there Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #45
Thank you for your post. titaniumsalute Mar 2019 #73
Hospice attendents are saints on earth. As I've gotten older I've seen it more and more. marble falls Mar 2019 #11
Thank you, Titanium. I'm glad to take the message Hortensis Mar 2019 #12
I have known several people to be in Hospice, and it was wonderful. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #13
My mom was in hospice care for the final few weeks of her life. MarianJack Mar 2019 #14
Hospice is wonderful cp Mar 2019 #15
I just lost my dad, too. And you're right about hospice. Reader Rabbit Mar 2019 #16
Hospice nurses and doctors really are a breed apart BritVic Mar 2019 #17
So sorry for your loss and I totally agree about Hospice. lark Mar 2019 #18
Yes. Hospice enabled my husband to die marybourg Mar 2019 #19
Hospice workers are saints... albacore Mar 2019 #20
INDEED hospice is a godsend... RobertDevereaux Mar 2019 #21
Condolences on the loss of your father. gademocrat7 Mar 2019 #22
Hospice has helped me say goodbye to two brothers and my mother.... spanone Mar 2019 #23
Reading all this about hospice makes me wonder, as I've wondered before... LisaM Mar 2019 #24
That's why I practically moved into the hospital whenever lunatica Mar 2019 #44
we had the same experience with my dad Hamlette Mar 2019 #25
As everyone posting, I'll second your experience Duppers Mar 2019 #26
benzos (like xanax) Mosby Mar 2019 #27
Hospice is wonderful. Granny M Mar 2019 #28
My condolences ... my mom died of the same thing bedazzled Mar 2019 #29
Before retirement, I worked with hospice people quite often. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2019 #30
They are all angels hibbing Mar 2019 #31
Hospice is amazing LittleGirl Mar 2019 #32
My Deepest Sympathy, titaniumsalute. Kind of Blue Mar 2019 #33
not a bad thing to be said handmade34 Mar 2019 #34
I had quite the opposite zipplewrath Mar 2019 #35
I am so sorry your experiences were so difficult. pnwmom Mar 2019 #38
I understand zipplewrath Mar 2019 #48
That sounds awful about the morphine. Seeing her go through that must have been painful. pnwmom Mar 2019 #68
Drug induced dysphagia (problem swallowing) Mosby Mar 2019 #43
There are many, many reasons why dying people develop trouble with swallowing. Maru Kitteh Mar 2019 #47
opiates and benzos are being massively overprescribed Mosby Mar 2019 #50
Thank you nini Mar 2019 #53
Morphine helped make your mother more comfortable nini Mar 2019 #55
Oh, I probably will zipplewrath Mar 2019 #69
Unfortunately RobinA Mar 2019 #70
Yes, that's a whole other problem zipplewrath Mar 2019 #71
So sorry! I lost my brother last year, & hospice care was wonderful. displacedtexan Mar 2019 #36
Hospice is wonderful - it really helps people die with dignity mcar Mar 2019 #37
I want to thank you for your work in hospice, lunatica Mar 2019 #46
My Mom Delphinus Mar 2019 #39
I like to say that when hospice workers go to heaven lunatica Mar 2019 #40
Hospice workers are the best! mcar Mar 2019 #60
Kindness is the solution to so many things. lunatica Mar 2019 #61
It is still out there mcar Mar 2019 #62
I cannot agree more. Loryn Mar 2019 #49
My deepest sympathies leftynyc Mar 2019 #51
My experience has Rebl2 Mar 2019 #52
Hospice nurses are geniuses too. planetc Mar 2019 #54
My sincerest condolences to you Ohiogal Mar 2019 #56
All the best to you at this difficult time, titaniumsalute True Dough Mar 2019 #57
Condolences on your loss. Hospice workers are quite amazing. Stinky The Clown Mar 2019 #58
Condolences, titaniumsalute. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #59
Same experience nicehuman16 Mar 2019 #63
So sorry for your loss, and I agree with you about hospice! MiniMe Mar 2019 #65
I 100% agree with you about Hospice. And I am terribly sorry that your dad passed. Maraya1969 Mar 2019 #66
I'm so sorry about your father radical noodle Mar 2019 #67
I watched how panicked my Grandma was at the end... pandr32 Mar 2019 #72
Much love and empathy to you, titaniumsalute. calimary Mar 2019 #74
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