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Tom Ripley

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Thu Aug 23, 2012, 10:29 PM
Aug 2012

Romney ancestor fled Army, joined LDS Church

By Lee Davidson, Deseret News

Published: Saturday, Sept. 8 2007 12:22 a.m. MDT


It may not be what a presidential candidate would want historians discussing, as they did Friday. But exactly 150 years ago, an ancestor of Mitt Romney deserted from U.S. Army troops sent to put down a purported Mormon rebellion in Utah.
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It may not be what a presidential candidate would want historians discussing, as they did Friday. But exactly 150 years ago, an ancestor of Mitt Romney deserted from U.S. Army troops sent to put down a purported Mormon rebellion in Utah.

Carl Heinrich (Charles Henry) Wilcken, Romney's great-great-grandfather, would give Mormons information about approaching troops, eventually joined the LDS Church and ultimately became a bodyguard and confidant of two church presidents.

The middle name of Romney's father, former Michigan Gov. George W. Romney (also once a presidential candidate), is Wilcken, after that soldier-ancestor.

The little-known soldier in the little-known "Utah War" was a topic Friday at the annual Utah State History Conference. Several seminars focused on the 150th anniversary of that "war," in which President James Buchanan sent troops against Mormons in 1857-58 after ex-officials convinced him that Mormons would not submit to federal law.

Mormons saw that as a renewal of persecution and sent militia to face the army in what was essentially a mini-civil war four years before the real thing between North and South. Little shooting occurred, as Buchanan eventually gave amnesty to Mormons as they accepted a non-Mormon governor and a permanent garrison of U.S. troops.

Amateur historian Steve Richardson presented a paper Friday that discussed Wilcken, who he said had previously been awarded the Iron Cross by the king of Prussia for service in its war against Denmark.

After that war, Denmark attempted to draft former Prussian soldiers living in its acquired regions of Scheswig-Holstein. So Wilcken decided to leave and join friends in Argentina but had only enough money to make it to New York.

Richardson said Wilcken was unable to find work, so he joined the U.S. Army and was sent on the "Utah expedition."

"He was unhappy with the lack of discipline of the soldiers," Richardson said. "He had a low opinion of other soldiers," as they talked about possibly hanging or jailing Mormon leaders and "appropriating" their wives and daughters.

Wilcken saw poor protection by U.S. troops, which allowed Mormon militia to burn forage in front of the approaching army. LDS soldiers also burned many of the federal supply wagons and ran off the army's livestock. Soldiers had little to eat. Their winter camp in Wyoming would be one of the hardest in the history of the U.S. Army.

Wilcken decided to desert and head for Salt Lake City. But, Richardson said, Wilcken reported a spiritual experience that delayed that action for a day and possibly saved him from being jailed or shot.

As he was about to desert, he said he "heard a voice calling his name" — his real name, not the assumed name he used to enlist. Two other times as he was to leave, he heard his name called and stopped. Wilcken later learned that the cavalry had been on patrol all night watching Mormon camps and likely would have caught him.

Richardson said, "That night, he had a dream telling him to ask his captain for permission to go out hunting the next day, and he would meet some friends." He did exactly that, deserted and met Mormons who escorted him back to their lines. That was on Oct. 7, 1857, 150 years ago next month.

Richardson said Wilcken was impressed with Mormons and their lack of the cursing and fighting that he had seen with U.S. troops. Wilcken provided Mormons with information about conditions of the U.S. Army and went to Salt Lake City.

Historian William P. MacKinnon added that Wilcken's U.S. Army captain, John W. Phelps, wrote in his diary about Wilcken's disappearance and "talked about what a fine man he was and how different he was from another man who deserted."

MacKinnon noted that Phelps, who would become a Union general in the Civil War, ran for president in 1880 but received only a few hundred votes. Wilcken's Romney descendants have done better than that in their campaigns for president.

Wilcken was baptized into the LDS Church only two months after he deserted the Army and later had plural wives. In later years, he became a messenger and bodyguard for LDS President John Taylor, who was, at times, in hiding during federal anti-polygamy crusades. He also was a bodyguard for President Wilford Woodruff, who succeeded John Taylor and ultimately led the church away from the practice of polygamy.
Mitt Romney's campaign declined comment on the story

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I wonder if it's Mormon religion policy Submariner Aug 2012 #1
No, this is a Romney thing. Ilsa Aug 2012 #21
Mormons can and do serve in the military n/t FreeState Aug 2012 #23
It's not a Mormon thing. Geoff R. Casavant Aug 2012 #24
Nope. xmas74 Aug 2012 #25
I sense there is an animosity.. kentuck Aug 2012 #57
Nope--the Mormon men I've known were my husband's coworkers in the military. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #83
That is pretty amazing. I'd never thought of it that way, but how many among pnwmom Aug 2012 #2
I was wondering that. I was wondering if ANYONE here could meet that standard. jsmirman Aug 2012 #20
I don't know beyond my grandfathers. pnwmom Aug 2012 #22
during WWII even many of the wealthy served. xmas74 Aug 2012 #31
Yeah, that war could be a singular exception jsmirman Aug 2012 #40
So how did his family get out of even that war? xmas74 Aug 2012 #58
FDR's son James served in WWII, including the Makin Island raid... Scuba Aug 2012 #52
That's another great example. xmas74 Aug 2012 #59
I think it would be quite difficult. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #46
My dad was too young to join the army in WW1 but he lied about his age ... spin Aug 2012 #54
My family can meet that standard RockaFowler Aug 2012 #77
My parents were immigrants, post ww2 refugees LiberalEsto Aug 2012 #78
my mom has family who fought in the ones no one knows about -before the french and roguevalley Aug 2012 #41
Paulie said that? pnwmom Aug 2012 #42
Yes he did. Scuba Aug 2012 #61
yeah. both granddads did. Tunkamerica Aug 2012 #44
Everyone on my father's side served aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #55
The Rmoneys take - they do not give malaise Aug 2012 #71
didn't driving that mobile home around Murica for Daddy count? rurallib Aug 2012 #3
True, but he did have ancestors who fought against The US military Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #4
Utah war? Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #8
Here: Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #11
A Deseret Deserter...how Romney of Him SoCalDem Aug 2012 #13
wouldn't that be a traitor, not just a deserter? 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #65
A deserter! Hoot! Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #18
What about Nixon, the putative Quaker? central scrutinizer Aug 2012 #5
Nixon was actually a commander in the Naval Reserve Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #7
Nixon served. xmas74 Aug 2012 #36
His whole attitude is that he owes the US NOTHING. aquart Aug 2012 #43
And that's an awful attitude. xmas74 Aug 2012 #60
it is not for the Romney Men to go to WAr,that's for other people JI7 Aug 2012 #6
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #9
He was still wearing knickers...... Historic NY Aug 2012 #12
I can see you stay is going to be short too. tbone8 Aug 2012 #14
Obama's grandfather served in WW2 B Calm Aug 2012 #38
Obama was eight years old 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #66
Er, no, stupid. This is a site for progressives/Democrats. HughBeaumont Aug 2012 #70
What? He should have participated in the "liberation of Grenada"? Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #16
I say goodbye, you say hello. Raine1967 Aug 2012 #19
Throw in Mitt's Offshore Tax Dodging for that All-American Fraudster. Octafish Aug 2012 #10
k&r nt arely staircase Aug 2012 #15
His family ran to Mexico to avoid US laws. Snarkoleptic Aug 2012 #17
He may truly be the least patriotic candidate I can remember jsmirman Aug 2012 #28
off topic. Love the levicat, can I use that for a website? n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #69
The more kittehs the better! Snarkoleptic Aug 2012 #73
thank you. He is very zen. n/t 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #75
Wow!! In a war hungry US, thats amazing. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #26
it's true riverwalker Aug 2012 #27
It's false - sort of Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #35
Silly post. Brewinblue Aug 2012 #29
Yeah; sins of the fathers is silly enough without adding "great-great grand" to that. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #32
I don't necessarily see it as a good or bad thing. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #48
Actually it's very telling economically - TBF Aug 2012 #67
not a silly post 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #68
I think there might be a lot of Amish families that have a few more generations than that. Kalidurga Aug 2012 #30
All our of my grandparents SheilaT Aug 2012 #33
Almost everyone considers "service" to include non-combat service. amandabeech Aug 2012 #82
You are absolutely right, but SheilaT Aug 2012 #84
Anyone who insinuates that really doesn't count as a human being. amandabeech Aug 2012 #87
Freeper Challenge: Find a Veteran in Romneys Family Tree riverwalker Aug 2012 #34
Off-topic but a2liberal Aug 2012 #39
I'm not sure if any of my great-grandparents served in the military sakabatou Aug 2012 #37
I Live In An Area With A Large Amish Population... JimGinPA Aug 2012 #45
I don't give a shit. And neither would any of you cali Aug 2012 #47
depends on the line hfojvt Aug 2012 #49
the family hasn't been in the us five generations straight. george was born in mexico. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #50
They started in the US--just because they took a convenient period of exile in Mexico to avoid hlthe2b Aug 2012 #64
My Dad and all my Uncles served either in WWII or Korea.... WCGreen Aug 2012 #51
An utter lack of patriotism or a genetically induced propensity for fear. 2on2u Aug 2012 #53
If my father-in-law were alive, I don't know how he'd feel about this... a la izquierda Aug 2012 #56
I would have loved to have gone to France... kentuck Aug 2012 #62
Unbelievable... I know of no family that doesn't at least have WWII vets in their "lineage".... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #63
But our President's family has! Marrah_G Aug 2012 #72
this is a great little comeback for all those obama is not an american type of thing dembotoz Aug 2012 #74
Mitt Rmoney a Hypocrite and Active Draft Evader earthside Aug 2012 #76
"Mitt’s father George, served the country during WWII by being a lobbyist hedgehog Aug 2012 #79
A little trivia about Richard Nixon's Great-Grandfather George Nixon (1821-July 14 1863) who was a ArnoldLayne Aug 2012 #80
Good Thread!! Kick ArnoldLayne Aug 2012 #81
my family is not one of them shanti Aug 2012 #85
That's a possibility then Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #86
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