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PoindexterOglethorpe

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57. I think that's the missing piece of the puzzle of why people don't vaccinate.
Sat Mar 9, 2019, 12:41 AM
Mar 2019

I'm in the generation that got all the childhood diseases: measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox. Honestly, I never knew anyone who suffered bad consequences of those, but that's probably because we all got them and the bad consequences, while real, are still relatively rare.

I was in 2nd grade when the Salk vaccine came out. One of the boys who was in my kindergarten and 1st grade class (we moved to another city after that) had had polio and had a major brace on one leg. Over the years I've known others who had polio, including an 8th grade teacher and my late father-in-law.

The DPT vaccine was around for me. I recall my mother, who was born in 1916, mentioning once or twice of a cousin who died from diphtheria. It was when she was a child, and so long ago it meant nothing to me.

My own two sons got the MMR, although they were a bit too soon for the chicken pox vaccine, and so went through that. Luckily for them it was no big deal.

My older son is mildly autistic, Asperger's, and among the many things that can enrage me is the suggestion that it's from vaccinations. I can assure you he was different from the day he was born. Whatever the source of his Asperger's, it sure as hell wasn't vaccines.

Slightly more to the point, the young parents today were themselves vaccinated, and didn't even go through mild bouts of those diseases, let alone the more devastating versions.

Here's something else that I think may be a factor: Babies do inherit a certain amount of immunities from their mother, which are apparently reinforced if the mother nurses them. So a nursing infant will have a degree of immunity early on from some diseases. And here I'm talking about a world in which there are no vaccines, and those kids will eventually get those diseases. I rather suspect that now that we've had nearly two generations who've mostly been vaccinated, there simply isn't that pass-on immunity. Which means the vaccines are even more important for babies.

Please note, that while I'm acknowledging that the immunity you get if you get the disease is a life-long one, I'm not advocating forgoing the vaccines. For that, I will simply bring up smallpox. Yeah, you get it and if you survive you'll never get it again, but in all likelihood you'll be disfigured from the scarring. I have read more than once that a woman, back in the pre-smallpox vaccination day, who was not scarred was automatically considered beautiful.

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Horrible story, and at the end it says the parents still won't vaccinate marylandblue Mar 2019 #1
Willfull stupidity. Archae Mar 2019 #2
Sociopathetic stupidity was what I was going to say, but you beat me to it. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #13
Parental malpractice! lastlib Mar 2019 #64
It makes no sense Stargazer09 Mar 2019 #9
Because they're self-important assholes, Volaris Mar 2019 #22
Bingo! FiveGoodMen Mar 2019 #23
Exactly! Stargazer09 Mar 2019 #61
The parents aren't gonna suffer, they all GOT their shots. Volaris Mar 2019 #66
I am willing to bet this family did not pay the full medical bill, the article does not say. trc Mar 2019 #25
If I choose to smoke my health insurance would almost double Norbert Mar 2019 #63
Naked child abuse workinclasszero Mar 2019 #48
They live on a farm, cleaned the wound at home and didn't get him vaccinated? Farmer-Rick Mar 2019 #3
I am allergic to tetanus (or is it anti-tetanus). Not sure what the alternatives are BSdetect Mar 2019 #4
That's awful. Mariana Mar 2019 #11
I sometimes wonder if parents who don't vaccinate their children really understand the risks Arkansas Granny Mar 2019 #5
We need mandatory educational films Stargazer09 Mar 2019 #10
That's been the missing link: education that includes pictures and videos... Hekate Mar 2019 #33
show the consequences! Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2019 #46
They showed some pretty gruesome vids in my driver's ed class. Mariana Mar 2019 #50
You are so right! Stargazer09 Mar 2019 #62
If schools refused to admit children who aren't immunized... dawg day Mar 2019 #54
On the contrary, they homeschool. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #65
I think that's the missing piece of the puzzle of why people don't vaccinate. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2019 #57
Antivaxers are the most frustrating people you can encounter. gordianot Mar 2019 #6
They've been around much longer than that. Mariana Mar 2019 #14
My favorite is do not resuscitate orders for medically fragile children. gordianot Mar 2019 #17
One of Gutenberg.org recent acquisitions in e-books was an anti-vax book from that era... Hekate Mar 2019 #36
What I remember is that this essay really covered the bases. Mariana Mar 2019 #39
Found the book I referred to and updated my post. Loved the Transcriber's Note, which I included. nt Hekate Mar 2019 #40
Wallace wrote that? Mariana Mar 2019 #43
Oh! No, I didn't know who he was. Sometimes I learn the darndest things here. Hekate Mar 2019 #45
The collective intelligence of DU is legendary. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #58
I hope the bill went directly to the parents. Can these people get insurance? spanone Mar 2019 #7
I hope they get the bill too. Baitball Blogger Mar 2019 #12
It would be fitting if family had to file for bankruptcy. But probably sinkingfeeling Mar 2019 #8
That may be the thing that would get these people to vaccinate. Mariana Mar 2019 #15
Agree! Lonestarblue Mar 2019 #24
They're endangering some of the vaccinated people, too. Mariana Mar 2019 #42
They are probably anti socialist. justgamma Mar 2019 #26
"The wound was cleaned and sutured at home..." Mariana Mar 2019 #16
Anti-vaxxers probably knew a doctor would insist on a tetanus shot. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #21
I can't believe they haven't been arrested and charged. Mariana Mar 2019 #44
Good point! Their unlicensed practice of medicine butchery itself could have imparted tetanus. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #49
doing my family research on ancestry, I found a 15 year old relative who died from tetanus EveHammond13 Mar 2019 #18
There is a Cultivated Ignorance that Creates these Situations dlk Mar 2019 #19
K & R for exposure of anti-vaxx child abuse. SunSeeker Mar 2019 #20
Non-evidence-based vaccine exemptions/refusals for minors are immoral, and should not be legal. RockRaven Mar 2019 #27
+∞ LongtimeAZDem Mar 2019 #31
Could not agree more, LongtimeAZDem. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #35
+3 mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #53
"sutured at home"? That's more than what I would call a "scrape." suffragette Mar 2019 #28
I bet they didn't have any local anesthetic for the pain of suturing. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2019 #29
I bet you're right. suffragette Mar 2019 #30
I'm 64. akraven Mar 2019 #32
I had to get a booster not long ago. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #34
Correct Sgent Mar 2019 #68
Thanks so much for the reply, Sgent. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #69
Among the non-fiction books I have on WWI nurses recounts the deaths of soldiers by tetanus... Hekate Mar 2019 #37
Only negative vaccination reaction I ever had, same as you, very sore arm mr_lebowski Mar 2019 #55
Oh yeah, typhoid fever. We moved to Hawai'i before Statehood, and had to get those shots. Ouch.nt Hekate Mar 2019 #60
Betcha they vaccinated all the livestock on their farm. procon Mar 2019 #38
Sad, but telling point. littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #41
Bill the parents for the full amount. They put their child through hell EllieBC Mar 2019 #47
put the parents in jail and have them pay the medical expenses for all involved juxtaposed Mar 2019 #51
How is that not child abuse? Child endangerment? Neglect? Solly Mack Mar 2019 #52
Me too, Solly Mack. nt littlemissmartypants Mar 2019 #59
He Was In EXCRUCIATING PAIN Me. Mar 2019 #56
His parents should pay. Drahthaardogs Mar 2019 #67
Kick ck4829 Mar 2019 #70
Fuck antivaxxers. Fucking ignant morons. Tetanus is a really nasty disease. backscatter712 Mar 2019 #71
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