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jsmirman

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31. I think he definitely used... but

Fri Aug 24, 2012, 12:31 AM

Aug 2012

I also think it is a JOKE to not realize that basically everyone in that entire sport was doping during Armstrong's years at the top.

Everyone of my friends who participate in top level cycling (whatever that top level is below the tour riders and whatnot) said the same thing when asked - "Armstrong is definitely doping. But so is everyone else."

These guys ride serious competitions, but at a distinct level down from riders who participate in the various Tours. Their level is probably for the most part clean - I have a hard time believing that the current guys are clean, and I definitely don't believe the riders Armstrong competed against were any cleaner than he was.

I usually hate the "everybody does it" defense. But I think in this case, looking at the Armstrong years, literally everyone was doing it.

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BANNED FOR LIFE: Lance Armstrong To Be Stripped Of Tour De France Titles Over Doping Charges [View all] hlthe2b Aug 2012 OP

ya. it is a bummer. and it is cheating. nt seabeyond Aug 2012 #1

There are penalties for cheating DontTreadOnMe Aug 2012 #2

Just for the record.. ananda Aug 2012 #3

Stupid joeybee12 Aug 2012 #59

always knew he was a cheating asshole CatWoman Aug 2012 #4

I never liked him either Whisp Aug 2012 #39

I think you're wrong about that unc70 Aug 2012 #43

don't be too sure of that Duppers Aug 2012 #58

He was buddies with GW Bush, big Republican ass adigal Aug 2012 #129

I repeat, stupid joeybee12 Aug 2012 #60

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #77

Have fun in your short tenure here..... TalkingDog Aug 2012 #80

Sorry but this panel is the sporting equivalent of the "when did you stop beating your wife"... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #95

Wow. TeeYiYi Aug 2012 #5

Ahahahahaaaaaaa!!! Codeine Aug 2012 #6

Yet he failed no doping tests... Mec9000 Aug 2012 #7

There is always an apologist for the cheaters HangOnKids Aug 2012 #10

So you are saying he has failed some of the 100s of tests he had to take? Mec9000 Aug 2012 #14

He failed the "don't buy or take PEDs around other people" test. mathematic Aug 2012 #32

I never said anything remotely close to that HangOnKids Aug 2012 #121

The point is... awoke_in_2003 Aug 2012 #20

The one thing I cant get over brettdale Aug 2012 #26

So glad you don't have an answer... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #61

Have A Great Day Joey! HangOnKids Aug 2012 #119

He was tested over 500 times and never failed a test obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #84

Then you'd better call me an apologist too...call me weird, but not failing any test... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #97

Exactly The River Aug 2012 #16

That's how I feel too. Greybnk48 Aug 2012 #30

There was no test for EPO back then taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #41

well then we might as well strip everybody who has ever won of their honor. uncle ray Aug 2012 #46

I think your last sentence is very important jsmirman Aug 2012 #48

The purpose is to keep the sport fair and safe. tinrobot Aug 2012 #53

But you were literally just "along for the ride" if you weren't doping jsmirman Aug 2012 #111

They already got riders 2-5 tinrobot Aug 2012 #128

Yep jsmirman Aug 2012 #142

I agree taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #109

"There is now an accurate urine test BadgerKid Aug 2012 #56

He also gave money to the people testing him. tinrobot Aug 2012 #45

Wrong. He did fail doping tests. Just never got sanctioned, until now. DanTex Aug 2012 #79

Any Proof?? Link maybe?? Mec9000 Aug 2012 #81

Here's a post I wrote about this a while back, with some links. DanTex Aug 2012 #90

It is still hearsay... Mec9000 Aug 2012 #99

They did come out with it. They also have ten or so eyewitnesses. DanTex Aug 2012 #104

USADA has no jurisdiction over his TDF titles.. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #114

USADA officially represents WADA in the US. DanTex Aug 2012 #118

"but now he's caught" - except he hasn't been caught. He refuses to participate in the Kangaroo... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #125

UCI has responded to the USADA... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #126

Sorry but that is bullshit... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #98

Umm... no, there were no problems with "chain of custody" DanTex Aug 2012 #103

Umm, there were plenty of problems with those samples.. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #110

Mis-labelling? Cross-contamination? LOL. DanTex Aug 2012 #113

Yup. Cross-contamination and mis-handling the samples...Zero evidence? Not so much... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #130

I seem to remember sarisataka Aug 2012 #134

NO. The subject line on this thread is WRONG. He has not yet been banned or stripped. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #8

NO! I used the identical title as used in the linked piece from HuffPO hlthe2b Aug 2012 #11

The OP is using the headlines the media are using -- which are wrong obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #86

DOPESTRONG REP Aug 2012 #9

DUzy! HangOnKids Aug 2012 #13

Wriststrong!!! KeepItReal Aug 2012 #29

Sad that he was able to drag it out this long BlueStreak Aug 2012 #12

Sad story, but a lesson about hero worship. Deep13 Aug 2012 #15

Link? n/t tammywammy Aug 2012 #17

oops....added n/t hlthe2b Aug 2012 #18

Wrong! This is the headline "Lance Armstrong gives up fight against USADA charges" jannyk Aug 2012 #19

Wrong! Don't you dare tell me I am not being truthful. I took headline from HUFFPO, not LA TIMES> hlthe2b Aug 2012 #21

htlthe2b CatWoman Aug 2012 #22

Thank you CatWoman. I don't understand some of the latest crop of posters here... hlthe2b Aug 2012 #24

Obvious cheat is obvious alcibiades_mystery Aug 2012 #23

About fucking time. Like all right wing assholes, he thinks the ends justify any means and rules are Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #25

Not sure this has anything to do with being right wing eridani Aug 2012 #52

He's far from right ring... joeybee12 Aug 2012 #62

BS. He is and always has been. I guess you know even less. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #63

How on earth do you know Lance Armstrong's politics? a la izquierda Aug 2012 #64

Cancer. There's a community within the community of well-heeled victims/donors. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #102

And do share those words. a la izquierda Aug 2012 #140

Frankly, whether you believe me or not is so far from relevant that science has yet to define Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #148

Armstrong isn't a Winger obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #87

Please see #102. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #117

No surprise there. Alduin Aug 2012 #27

How will his trophies actually be taken away? bluestateguy Aug 2012 #28

They're on their very ironic way I'm sure. rad51 Aug 2012 #55

I think he definitely used... but jsmirman Aug 2012 #31

Everyone he beat actually was busted for doping. tinrobot Aug 2012 #47

Thank you - exactly! jsmirman Aug 2012 #49

Not everyone was doing it tinrobot Aug 2012 #54

Maybe, but when it's an open "secret" jsmirman Aug 2012 #106

Virenque, Pantani... jsmirman Aug 2012 #50

Armstrong was worse than the typical doper. DanTex Aug 2012 #82

So why does Riis get to keep his title, with an asterisk? jsmirman Aug 2012 #115

Well, officially, Riis was never sanctioned, and Ullrich was not implicated in 1997. DanTex Aug 2012 #120

Right? jsmirman Aug 2012 #141

Actually, the UCI has asked for Riis' yellow jersey back jsmirman Aug 2012 #143

Yeah, I saw that. I don't get it. DanTex Aug 2012 #145

All I know is that Riis has publicly said "I doped to win the Tour" jsmirman Aug 2012 #146

I'll defer to George Carlin: sadbear Aug 2012 #33

and fuck Dr. Phil too! Whisp Aug 2012 #42

WTF is the USADA? and what providence does it have over the Tour De France? crimson77 Aug 2012 #34

None. elleng Aug 2012 #36

The United States of America Dairy Association is all powerful. Kaleva Aug 2012 #44

Stop it!! Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2012 #122

We of the Raw Milk Underground (RMU) cannont be stopped! Kaleva Aug 2012 #138

This is what my husband said last night. a la izquierda Aug 2012 #65

That's a good analogy obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #93

Is there a more passionate group of people then people who race bikes? crimson77 Aug 2012 #107

US Anti-Doping Agency DanTex Aug 2012 #88

Zero obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #89

He failed no tests. This 'USADA' dishonors us all. elleng Aug 2012 #35

ding ding ding, Tygart is in a power struggle with UCI Evasporque Aug 2012 #71

Actually, he did fail tests. DanTex Aug 2012 #78

Wrong. He never failed an official test. truebrit71 Aug 2012 #101

Yes, he did fail an official test. DanTex Aug 2012 #108

He had a prescription for the corticosteriod...what don't you understand about that? truebrit71 Aug 2012 #112

He didn't provide the prescription until after he tested positive. DanTex Aug 2012 #116

You know that he went to a doctor afterwards to get the prescription? How do you know this? truebrit71 Aug 2012 #124

Wow, you really don't get it. DanTex Aug 2012 #133

1) If he had no reason to believe that the medication would cause an issue why disclose it? truebrit71 Aug 2012 #139

Umm... because the medication had corticosteroid in it! Are you for real? DanTex Aug 2012 #144

So in other words you got nothing...no proof just heresay... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #147

"Doping" is still as stupid as those that enforce it in this case. flvegan Aug 2012 #37

Tell Them What You Think The River Aug 2012 #38

I dont really understand the evidence against him aikoaiko Aug 2012 #40

People who rode with him on his team jsmirman Aug 2012 #51

Do it for the little kid on their bike-so they know they can do things without cheating/doping graham4anything Aug 2012 #57

People dope in Cat 5 races. It's insanity. a la izquierda Aug 2012 #66

Hounded out of his medals. MadHound Aug 2012 #67

+1 n/t tammywammy Aug 2012 #69

Absolutely right...nt joeybee12 Aug 2012 #72

And, a US Federal invesigation that dropped everything obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #94

As a former cyclist who does not like Armstrong sarisataka Aug 2012 #135

I have mixed feelings.. sendero Aug 2012 #68

With you there sarisataka Aug 2012 #136

WADA UCI...USADA - Power Struggle Evasporque Aug 2012 #70

From those articles, it looks to me like USADA has jurisdiction here, and the UCI is... DanTex Aug 2012 #92

UCI tells USADA to "prove it"... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #127

This is exactly right -- USADA has no authority to do this obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #96

UCI has told the USADA basically to put up or shut up... truebrit71 Aug 2012 #131

NYT has best summary of what comes next in terms of appeals by the other (international) agencies.. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #73

I knew this fairy tale was too good to be true. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #74

so this guy is the next AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #75

The USADA wants to send a message to the public tularetom Aug 2012 #76

USADA doesn't have the authority to do this obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #83

Shhhhhh... You are going to burst some bubbles.. Mec9000 Aug 2012 #85

I'm pretty sure they actually do. DanTex Aug 2012 #91

No, they don;t obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #100

If WADA sides with USADA, what can UCI do? DanTex Aug 2012 #105

WADA confirms USADA jurisdiction in US Postal Service cycling case DotGone Aug 2012 #123

Lance Armstrong decision must involve us, says UCI statement BklnDem75 Aug 2012 #132

It's all over my TV set so it all must be true! LOL just1voice Aug 2012 #137

This Lance Armstrong issue is nuts SHRED Aug 2012 #149