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George II

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43. You don't have time to explain what you're talking about, yet you want us to read a book...
Sun Mar 10, 2019, 03:30 PM
Mar 2019

...hoping to see what it is you're talking about?

Sorry, I don't have time.

I mean, she's not wrong. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #1
Justice FRANKFURTER, above. Baby/bathwater, above. UTUSN Mar 2019 #2
Really? whathehell Mar 2019 #13
Some recommended reading: PETRUS Mar 2019 #22
We're talking about the New Deal specifically.. whathehell Mar 2019 #26
The Federal Housing Administration was part of the New Deal. PETRUS Mar 2019 #27
So spell out how the Federal Housing Authority, as instituted whathehell Mar 2019 #30
No. PETRUS Mar 2019 #36
You don't have time to explain what you're talking about, yet you want us to read a book... George II Mar 2019 #43
FDR's administration made no attempt to prevent denial of loans to Blacks, Blue_true Mar 2019 #67
Then bag it, dear whathehell Mar 2019 #70
Here's something short of reading a book caraher Mar 2019 #47
Truman, Kennedy and Johnson tried to do something about redlining, Blue_true Mar 2019 #71
Thank you fot posting this. Love to see people shown facts Celerity Mar 2019 #162
Redlining. femmedem Mar 2019 #54
He allowed local officials and banks to redline, the Feds could have prevented that. Blue_true Mar 2019 #64
Read The Atlantic article "The Case for Reparations" and you'll see Merlot Mar 2019 #95
Here is the working link (thank you, btw): demmiblue Mar 2019 #99
The FHA (Federal Housing Authority) was created as part of the new deal Blue_true Mar 2019 #60
And women too...nt 2naSalit Mar 2019 #94
True leaders push for what is right, even when there is stiff resistance. Blue_true Mar 2019 #58
Sure, handling the Great Depression AND World War II was a piece whathehell Mar 2019 #73
LOL, isn't that convenient? Mariana Mar 2019 #81
When defending FDR's record on racial policies, namahage Mar 2019 #93
Um, no, that would be the Great Depression PLUS World War Ii whathehell Mar 2019 #98
I have relatives that would have disagreed he couldn't have handled the war any better. Tiggeroshii Mar 2019 #131
Sure, and I have relatives who would argue with them.. whathehell Mar 2019 #159
Tel ya what. Tiggeroshii Mar 2019 #164
Tell ya what. whathehell Mar 2019 #165
AOC didn't argue that FDR didn't do some exceptional things. Blue_true Mar 2019 #96
But he wasn't PERFECT! NastyRiffraff Mar 2019 #144
Who the hell said he WAS? whathehell Mar 2019 #156
Wagner Act of 1935 allowed unions to discriminate on the basis of race, for one Spider Jerusalem Mar 2019 #78
Do you have any idea how racist Abe Lincoln would seem today? whathehell Mar 2019 #80
The New Deal did not benefit all Americans, though, is the point (n/t) Spider Jerusalem Mar 2019 #83
Oh yes PatSeg Mar 2019 #120
Yes, Lincoln would definitely fail whathehell Mar 2019 #167
Oh you're welcome PatSeg Mar 2019 #168
Thanks, PatSeg.. whathehell Mar 2019 #171
Yes I certainly have an idea how Lincoln would seem today. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #175
."a nation built on racism and sexism"? How about a World built on them? whathehell Mar 2019 #176
New Deal coalition was held in place by Jim Crow radius777 Mar 2019 #126
That's one opinion.. whathehell Mar 2019 #160
Didn't redlining start under FDR? DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #65
On Ignorance Horizens Mar 2019 #109
"FDR/Eleanor, were tireless, absolutely relentless in pushing for equal rights" Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #110
If Horizens Mar 2019 #111
If you knew any history, you'd know that FDR started it with an EO. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #133
"but on race relations he fell way short" whathehell Mar 2019 #173
You like to make excuses for locking up US citizens based on race. Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #178
Post removed Post removed Mar 2019 #179
What I like is calling out things as racist which are racist and not having Dr Hobbitstein Mar 2019 #180
Sure..Uh huh..Right.. whathehell Mar 2019 #181
This... yuiyoshida Mar 2019 #127
+10000 Celerity Mar 2019 #163
I'm with you there.. whathehell Mar 2019 #3
Yay for you and me! Maybe she should try judging by 1931 standards!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #4
Correct.. whathehell Mar 2019 #9
Yeahbut.....was he "pure"? George II Mar 2019 #48
Lol!.. Exactly!. They push against purity tests in the present whathehell Mar 2019 #103
I agree Bettie Mar 2019 #6
Exactly.. She's disappointingly short sighted there whathehell Mar 2019 #8
The very same viewpoint is expressed here Bettie Mar 2019 #62
The racist policies of the New Deal were racist then, and are racist now. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #17
Being so sure of that claim, I'm sure you're able to.tell us just what whathehell Mar 2019 #23
Sure. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #29
The Racial Inequities in the New Deal were not totally the Fault of the President whathehell Mar 2019 #39
Seems like maybe you're moving the goalposts caraher Mar 2019 #49
Seems like maybe you are.. whathehell Mar 2019 #53
I'm not slamming FDR caraher Mar 2019 #86
She was slamming him whathehell Mar 2019 #102
So you know what benefits AOC better than she does? BlueWI Mar 2019 #121
Lol..We're not here to "benefit" AOC -- Her job is to benefit the citizens whathehell Mar 2019 #155
AOC mentioned a very common historical conclusion BlueWI Mar 2019 #169
As others here have noted, her "conclusion" regarding whathehell Mar 2019 #170
I mentioned Social Security in my last post. BlueWI Mar 2019 #172
I've already addressed that issue. whathehell Mar 2019 #174
OK, now we have what she actually said caraher Mar 2019 #149
Lol.. What she "actually" said is what I quoted her as saying.. whathehell Mar 2019 #154
Then WHY did she name it the Green NEW DEAL? appalachiablue Mar 2019 #158
You asked me about the New Deal, not the president. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #115
Like.... loyalsister Mar 2019 #45
No, not like that.. whathehell Mar 2019 #46
But, those were different times is your argument loyalsister Mar 2019 #51
First of all, no one ne's expressing "unconditional admiration" whathehell Mar 2019 #63
Why not both? loyalsister Mar 2019 #84
She called the ENTIRE New Deal "racist", that's why whathehell Mar 2019 #97
It's an objective truth loyalsister Mar 2019 #113
The thing that burns me. Blue_true Mar 2019 #74
I don't get it loyalsister Mar 2019 #114
The problem is some people only want the good talked about. Blue_true Mar 2019 #118
There is no need to whitewash history loyalsister Mar 2019 #125
Wrong! Like that. Blue_true Mar 2019 #72
Lol! whathehell Mar 2019 #76
I agree Dem2 Mar 2019 #123
Retrospective "purity tests" maybe? whathehell Mar 2019 #166
FDR was a great man, but deeply flawed. MicaelS Mar 2019 #5
Some people criticize LBJ for not doing this or that. LBJ may have done all that was possible, empedocles Mar 2019 #10
I'm now convinced to vote for Hoover, Landon, Wilkie, and DEWEY!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #11
Oh please. MicaelS Mar 2019 #138
Common tactic. Go to extremes when your argument is weak. Caliman73 Mar 2019 #177
Appalling is an Understatement! Fdr did not like Jews!!!! 4139 Mar 2019 #33
Many Jewish people were denied refuge here and sent back to Europe to die. Blue_true Mar 2019 #75
To be fair Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #136
With the exception of Henry Morgenthau Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #135
He was flawed, as is everyone, but he wasn't "deeply flawed". George II Mar 2019 #50
He had some major, major shortcomings. Blue_true Mar 2019 #77
I do not think he would survive. Nor would Eleanor. MicaelS Mar 2019 #139
He also didn't allow the SS St. Louis leftynyc Mar 2019 #134
In sports, commentators who are not necessarily the best or brightest, often at least note, empedocles Mar 2019 #7
Yip, sports types have fairly often surprised me into admiring them. Sometimes!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #15
Which is why we need a New, Improved, Green, 100% Certified Pure FDR dalton99a Mar 2019 #12
Not to mention a god/being!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #16
A just god dalton99a Mar 2019 #18
Oh my lord why are people so mad about these new congresspeople speaking the truth? WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #14
I usually try to answer questions that appear to be sincerely asked, so here goes: UTUSN Mar 2019 #21
Fair enough. She's still right. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2019 #24
+1 demmiblue Mar 2019 #66
She's still wrong, and lies by omission in whathehell Mar 2019 #161
When you can back up the blanket assertions you've made whathehell Mar 2019 #28
I lulz'd KG Mar 2019 #19
FDR saved the economy and bolstered the middle class nini Mar 2019 #20
+1. A historian's view: dalton99a Mar 2019 #25
Great article nini Mar 2019 #42
The Democratic coalition then is basically DeminPennswoods Mar 2019 #69
If he had made an effort to totally franchise Blacks, Blue_true Mar 2019 #79
Unfortunately local govt and companies that ran many of the programs nini Mar 2019 #104
We got an end to segregation because the federal government stepped in. Blue_true Mar 2019 #106
It just never ends. George II Mar 2019 #31
Take heart, George. Mariana Mar 2019 #90
Growing up in South, I was always confused by the racists' love/reverence for FDR. George Wallace, Hoyt Mar 2019 #32
You got it right that racists became republicans. Blue_true Mar 2019 #82
It's not the least bit surprising, really. Mariana Mar 2019 #89
I revere FDR, just as I do Lincoln. Neither did EVERYTHING right. ON balance, they were exceptional hlthe2b Mar 2019 #34
So what's up with all the Cha Mar 2019 #35
Boom! mcar Mar 2019 #38
That's my fear. RelativelyJones Mar 2019 #100
If New Deal programs were more inclusive for minorities, Southern Democrats would never have allowed tritsofme Mar 2019 #37
Hmmm, I have a decision between doing what is morally right, Blue_true Mar 2019 #85
Meaningless blather. FDR lived in the world as it was, not as we'd like it to have been. tritsofme Mar 2019 #107
The world as it is now. Blue_true Mar 2019 #108
FDR massively shifted the Overton Window to the left and made subsequent progress possible. tritsofme Mar 2019 #112
Lyndon Johnson shifted the window to the left. Blue_true Mar 2019 #117
Without the New Deal, LBJ would have been unable to usher in his Great Society programs tritsofme Mar 2019 #122
Is she aware of who is in the WH? mcar Mar 2019 #40
Obviously Dems are the real enemy here nini Mar 2019 #41
TY, yes appalachiablue Mar 2019 #157
I guess the New Deal of the early 1930s just isn't "pure" enough. George II Mar 2019 #44
It grossly excluded entire groups of Americans. Blue_true Mar 2019 #87
That's just a minor impurity, I guess. Mariana Mar 2019 #116
I have read a lot of George's posts. He is a good man. Blue_true Mar 2019 #119
I used to hear this argument from libertarians DBoon Mar 2019 #52
Actually, Blacks had no other choice but support free market solutions. Blue_true Mar 2019 #91
I give her a chance to learn from experience lunatica Mar 2019 #55
I have a feeling this is way out of context. gtar100 Mar 2019 #56
I think you're absolutely right caraher Mar 2019 #129
+1 uponit7771 Mar 2019 #132
She is 100% right. Blue_true Mar 2019 #57
I think she is actually making a compelling point (even if the execution might leave something to be deurbano Mar 2019 #59
The product of our time argument infuriates me JonLP24 Mar 2019 #142
There is some good info in this thread (I'm not talking about the OP). n/t demmiblue Mar 2019 #61
The administration of the New Deal was racially discriminatory. liberalnarb Mar 2019 #68
And the first iteration of Social Security was sexist, in favor of women. OilemFirchen Mar 2019 #88
Its entirely fair to talk about the pros and cons of the New Deal. Eko Mar 2019 #92
It's deride a democrat day on DU. yay! Kurt V. Mar 2019 #101
She is on the money. pangaia Mar 2019 #105
So what next? jcmaine72 Mar 2019 #124
At this point, I'd like to know what she *actually* said caraher Mar 2019 #128
Here you go: demmiblue Mar 2019 #146
Marvelous! caraher Mar 2019 #148
That's B.S. demosincebirth Mar 2019 #130
Sorry Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #137
Again with the "perfect" thing. Who/exactly is a perfect/anything (don't bring Beard in the Sky) UTUSN Mar 2019 #140
Context/ nuance?? Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #143
Since when do context/nuance equate with not-honest? UTUSN Mar 2019 #145
When certain things are demanded Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #147
Discussion ain't even possible without definitions in common, s'long!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #150
True Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #151
Haha - even "s'long" 's definition doesn't work!1 UTUSN Mar 2019 #152
I never said so long. Trumpocalypse Mar 2019 #153
That is why Truman came up with the fair deal JonLP24 Mar 2019 #141
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